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June 04, 2017, 07:43:30 PM
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if I may suggest a solution to the faucet debacle:ideally,it should keep the current levels for VIP players,keep the incentitive to wager for all players and
completely remove abuse,faucet farming or plain high multiplier rolls with no deposits,will also allow to keep the tip amount low (not retarded low like 1k but reasonably low= 10k which is the optimal amount at the moment,IMHO)
it will allow to merge forum credits into the system,maybe go as far as introducing own altcoin as an option

the solution is simple and it is working at one of the site I'm moderating- proved to be very effective,too
it will require some code change,though,nothing extraordinary but could be a challenge

how does it work:
introduce a parallel coin or token system,call PDC(primedice coin) or PAC(primedice's awesome coin) or PFT(primedice faucet tokens) or whatever you want to name it
I will be calling it token(s) for you to not get confused
it could be made interexchangeable with forum credits 1:1000 and its value is 1 satoshi:1 credit/token
whenever a player claims faucet he recieves 150 (for under 10 btc wagered) or  2000+ (for VIPs) tokens
they can be converted to satoshis at a certain threshold,lets say it is 400.000 tokens to satoshi balance 1 to 1 ,so if a player manages to get 400k tokens he can exchange it to 400k satoshi
there can be a bonus 10% to convert a bigger amount ,like 1-2 mil tokens,so if a player converts 1 mil token,he will get 1.1 mil satoshi
tokens cannot be tipped,transferred,exchanged to satoshi under threshold,they do not affect wagered
token bets handled,stored,displayed exactly the same way as regular satoshi bets
second balance to be introduced,users switch between tokens/satoshi bets

PROS:
1.cut MASSIVELY on the amounts of money you spend on your current faucet
2.eliminate blatant faucet farming-tokens can't be tipped
3.give new players a taste of the game without deposit and without PD spending huge amounts of money daily
4.technically,keep current faucet at the same level to avoid possible unrest among PD community and potential audience numbers drop
5.keep tip amount low
6.simple solution to forum credits-exchange them for tokens and convert to satoshi:streamers,giveaway winners will even get 10% bonus when converting big amounts (see above)
7.plenty of room for various official chat games and giveaways in tokens that encourage to PLAY,not to save money on bank and withdraw
8.eliminate multiple account abuse,high enough threshold should see multiaccounters work hard or be very lucky to be able to convert on any big scale
9.convert threshold can be adjusted ( 200k 300k 400k etc.) to see how much money are being spent on faucet and make corrections
10.potential altcoin introduction,connected to ingame tokens-if people keep spamming new shitcoins and ICOing them,think PD could introduce their own coin and it be a success,too
11.players will have to deposit to increase their wagered,or use their freshly converted tokens,no more farm faucet>wager>increase faucet>farm faucet more>register multy "affiliates">collect affiliate reward
I can go on and on,the list will be huge

CONS:
1.technical difficulty,introduces a secondary parallel "currency" so users will be confused at first
2.implementation-not sure if your coders can create a working model in a short period of time
3.higher support and moderators load
4.require updated,rewrited FAQ and added videos
5.some people will not like the change and leave,happens after ANY change,regardless

in my opinion,PROS outweigh CONS by far
if the new system saves you 30% of your current  bitcoin daily faucet expences (and I expect it to be 40-75%),it adds up to 9-10 bitcoins a month
any questions,ask me and ...discuss Smiley
posted on PD forum as well,lets see if my idea is viable



Best idea so far. I hope you keep this habit veleten. LOL

Seriously, this I think will work(I play on the site veleten is referring that he moderates). But make the minimum exchange amount to 500000 tokens.

Make the name of the coin PD - PrimeDollar

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June 05, 2017, 12:08:33 AM
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if I may suggest a solution to the faucet debacle:ideally,it should keep the current levels for VIP players,keep the incentitive to wager for all players and
completely remove abuse,faucet farming or plain high multiplier rolls with no deposits,will also allow to keep the tip amount low (not retarded low like 1k but reasonably low= 10k which is the optimal amount at the moment,IMHO)
it will allow to merge forum credits into the system,maybe go as far as introducing own altcoin as an option

the solution is simple and it is working at one of the site I'm moderating- proved to be very effective,too
it will require some code change,though,nothing extraordinary but could be a challenge

how does it work:
introduce a parallel coin or token system,call PDC(primedice coin) or PAC(primedice's awesome coin) or PFT(primedice faucet tokens) or whatever you want to name it
I will be calling it token(s) for you to not get confused
it could be made interexchangeable with forum credits 1:1000 and its value is 1 satoshi:1 credit/token
whenever a player claims faucet he recieves 150 (for under 10 btc wagered) or  2000+ (for VIPs) tokens
they can be converted to satoshis at a certain threshold,lets say it is 400.000 tokens to satoshi balance 1 to 1 ,so if a player manages to get 400k tokens he can exchange it to 400k satoshi
there can be a bonus 10% to convert a bigger amount ,like 1-2 mil tokens,so if a player converts 1 mil token,he will get 1.1 mil satoshi
tokens cannot be tipped,transferred,exchanged to satoshi under threshold,they do not affect wagered
token bets handled,stored,displayed exactly the same way as regular satoshi bets
second balance to be introduced,users switch between tokens/satoshi bets

PROS:
1.cut MASSIVELY on the amounts of money you spend on your current faucet
2.eliminate blatant faucet farming-tokens can't be tipped
3.give new players a taste of the game without deposit and without PD spending huge amounts of money daily
4.technically,keep current faucet at the same level to avoid possible unrest among PD community and potential audience numbers drop
5.keep tip amount low
6.simple solution to forum credits-exchange them for tokens and convert to satoshi:streamers,giveaway winners will even get 10% bonus when converting big amounts (see above)
7.plenty of room for various official chat games and giveaways in tokens that encourage to PLAY,not to save money on bank and withdraw
8.eliminate multiple account abuse,high enough threshold should see multiaccounters work hard or be very lucky to be able to convert on any big scale
9.convert threshold can be adjusted ( 200k 300k 400k etc.) to see how much money are being spent on faucet and make corrections
10.potential altcoin introduction,connected to ingame tokens-if people keep spamming new shitcoins and ICOing them,think PD could introduce their own coin and it be a success,too
11.players will have to deposit to increase their wagered,or use their freshly converted tokens,no more farm faucet>wager>increase faucet>farm faucet more>register multy "affiliates">collect affiliate reward
I can go on and on,the list will be huge

CONS:
1.technical difficulty,introduces a secondary parallel "currency" so users will be confused at first
2.implementation-not sure if your coders can create a working model in a short period of time
3.higher support and moderators load
4.require updated,rewrited FAQ and added videos
5.some people will not like the change and leave,happens after ANY change,regardless

in my opinion,PROS outweigh CONS by far
if the new system saves you 30% of your current  bitcoin daily faucet expences (and I expect it to be 40-75%),it adds up to 9-10 bitcoins a month
any questions,ask me and ...discuss Smiley
posted on PD forum as well,lets see if my idea is viable



This is very smart and it would fix the issues of faucet abuse however like you mentioned before. It requires a huge amount of coding and the devs are already busy at the moment. Second reason is that "dice" is very simple and implenting this will just make it way too technical for most users.

Most likely they will take the easiest approach, simply getting rid of the faucet all together.
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June 05, 2017, 12:55:45 PM
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This is very smart and it would fix the issues of faucet abuse however like you mentioned before. It requires a huge amount of coding and the devs are already busy at the moment. Second reason is that "dice" is very simple and implenting this will just make it way too technical for most users.

Most likely they will take the easiest approach, simply getting rid of the faucet all together.

this doesn't affect the dicing itself-it remains same,all it does is introduce a secondary balance,players can switch between them with a click of a button
Primedice will not totally remove the faucet,according to Stunna
what they are planning to do,if I got it correctly,is to decrease the claims amount 10x times
so the newbies will get a 15 satoshi faucet (do not spend all at once   Grin) and VIPs with 4.000 faucet,for example,will have a 400 satoshi faucet instead
they promise to compensate this with more giveaways,games,promotions etc. to pay active,loyal members and not abusers and freebie leechers
the problem is that the competitors keep their faucets at the same level as before,it costs them money,yes,but they want a market share and are marketing agressively
this way Primedice might lose one big marketing advantage and some players too

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June 06, 2017, 12:35:07 AM
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Edward is the fucking best... Love you baby Wink
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June 06, 2017, 10:11:56 PM
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Edward is the fucking best... Love you baby Wink
Literally best. That was my first time to watched Ed livestream and it was fun. The pd chat was so crazy. It was so fast that I can't even read the chat very well for how many minutes.

The community of pd, players, mod, support, owners is really fun. Not being bias, no doubt they are the most popular and best dice site and no one can beat them.
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June 06, 2017, 10:37:49 PM
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Edward is the fucking best... Love you baby Wink
Literally best. That was my first time to watched Ed livestream and it was fun. The pd chat was so crazy. It was so fast that I can't even read the chat very well for how many minutes.

The community of pd, players, mod, support, owners is really fun. Not being bias, no doubt they are the most popular and best dice site and no one can beat them.

Yeah its not only the PD chat, it also the BitMex and Poloniex Trollbox also. There are so many users on there and the format of the layout is bad that its impossible to be able to chat properly because the messages scroll too fast. You can't even finish reading a sentence before it gets moved up because someone else typed something else.

Few years ago was better. Less users and you could actually have a conversation.

Maybe introduce different Trollbox channels like #random, #gambling, #trading, etc.
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June 06, 2017, 11:06:06 PM
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Yeah its not only the PD chat, it also the BitMex and Poloniex Trollbox also. There are so many users on there and the format of the layout is bad that its impossible to be able to chat properly because the messages scroll too fast. You can't even finish reading a sentence before it gets moved up because someone else typed something else.
Few years ago was better. Less users and you could actually have a conversation.
Maybe introduce different Trollbox channels like #random, #gambling, #trading, etc.
There was a time when troll box was fun and now almost all of the sites are over crowded and it is impossible to make any conversation ,it will be good to see more channels being tried to distribute the traffic between channels so that it is never over crowded and i really like the plan of Veleten on how to counter faucet spammers and it must be implemented by the staff members to avoid abuse.

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June 06, 2017, 11:13:18 PM
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Whenever Edward is spotted, expect a tsunami-like chat. LOL

Edward is the fucking best... Love you baby Wink

I don't know if he will love you back with that comment.

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June 07, 2017, 03:58:48 AM
 #27429

if I may suggest a solution to the faucet debacle:ideally,it should keep the current levels for VIP players,keep the incentitive to wager for all players and
completely remove abuse,faucet farming or plain high multiplier rolls with no deposits,will also allow to keep the tip amount low (not retarded low like 1k but reasonably low= 10k which is the optimal amount at the moment,IMHO)
it will allow to merge forum credits into the system,maybe go as far as introducing own altcoin as an option

the solution is simple and it is working at one of the site I'm moderating- proved to be very effective,too
it will require some code change,though,nothing extraordinary but could be a challenge

how does it work:
introduce a parallel coin or token system,call PDC(primedice coin) or PAC(primedice's awesome coin) or PFT(primedice faucet tokens) or whatever you want to name it
I will be calling it token(s) for you to not get confused
it could be made interexchangeable with forum credits 1:1000 and its value is 1 satoshi:1 credit/token
whenever a player claims faucet he recieves 150 (for under 10 btc wagered) or  2000+ (for VIPs) tokens
they can be converted to satoshis at a certain threshold,lets say it is 400.000 tokens to satoshi balance 1 to 1 ,so if a player manages to get 400k tokens he can exchange it to 400k satoshi
there can be a bonus 10% to convert a bigger amount ,like 1-2 mil tokens,so if a player converts 1 mil token,he will get 1.1 mil satoshi
tokens cannot be tipped,transferred,exchanged to satoshi under threshold,they do not affect wagered
token bets handled,stored,displayed exactly the same way as regular satoshi bets
second balance to be introduced,users switch between tokens/satoshi bets

PROS:
1.cut MASSIVELY on the amounts of money you spend on your current faucet
2.eliminate blatant faucet farming-tokens can't be tipped
3.give new players a taste of the game without deposit and without PD spending huge amounts of money daily
4.technically,keep current faucet at the same level to avoid possible unrest among PD community and potential audience numbers drop
5.keep tip amount low
6.simple solution to forum credits-exchange them for tokens and convert to satoshi:streamers,giveaway winners will even get 10% bonus when converting big amounts (see above)
7.plenty of room for various official chat games and giveaways in tokens that encourage to PLAY,not to save money on bank and withdraw
8.eliminate multiple account abuse,high enough threshold should see multiaccounters work hard or be very lucky to be able to convert on any big scale
9.convert threshold can be adjusted ( 200k 300k 400k etc.) to see how much money are being spent on faucet and make corrections
10.potential altcoin introduction,connected to ingame tokens-if people keep spamming new shitcoins and ICOing them,think PD could introduce their own coin and it be a success,too
11.players will have to deposit to increase their wagered,or use their freshly converted tokens,no more farm faucet>wager>increase faucet>farm faucet more>register multy "affiliates">collect affiliate reward
I can go on and on,the list will be huge

CONS:
1.technical difficulty,introduces a secondary parallel "currency" so users will be confused at first
2.implementation-not sure if your coders can create a working model in a short period of time
3.higher support and moderators load
4.require updated,rewrited FAQ and added videos
5.some people will not like the change and leave,happens after ANY change,regardless

in my opinion,PROS outweigh CONS by far
if the new system saves you 30% of your current  bitcoin daily faucet expences (and I expect it to be 40-75%),it adds up to 9-10 bitcoins a month
any questions,ask me and ...discuss Smiley
posted on PD forum as well,lets see if my idea is viable



This is very interesting, would be a bit complicated for new users though which defeats the purpose of the faucet. We've toyed with the idea of having a 'faucet balance' and 'main balance' on our back-end but honestly a faucet cut is long overdue just simply due to the price rise of coins making it hyper profitable for abusers to hop aboard.

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June 07, 2017, 04:30:31 AM
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Is there a reason why you have to give away actual BTC via the faucet?

If the purpose of the faucet is to allow users to try out PD without having to deposit money, then I don't see the reason why you couldn't give users worthless credits that cannot be withdrawn for the faucet.

I am curious to know how frequently a new user will first try out the faucet and subsequently deposit BTC to play at your site with, and how much ends up being gambled with this BTC. This is obviously private information, so you don't have to share it with me, nor share it publicly if you don't want to, however it is information that you will want to know yourself, because it will help you measure the benefits of having a faucet.

An additional benefit to the faucet is that it may attract additional users to the chat, which may make playing at your site more enjoyable for non-faucet users. This however is more difficult to measure.

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June 07, 2017, 04:34:39 AM
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Yeah its not only the PD chat, it also the BitMex and Poloniex Trollbox also. There are so many users on there and the format of the layout is bad that its impossible to be able to chat properly because the messages scroll too fast. You can't even finish reading a sentence before it gets moved up because someone else typed something else.
Few years ago was better. Less users and you could actually have a conversation.
Maybe introduce different Trollbox channels like #random, #gambling, #trading, etc.
There was a time when troll box was fun and now almost all of the sites are over crowded and it is impossible to make any conversation ,it will be good to see more channels being tried to distribute the traffic between channels so that it is never over crowded and i really like the plan of Veleten on how to counter faucet spammers and it must be implemented by the staff members to avoid abuse.

Some channels will be a good options to do but as always main channels, like english channels will always crowded, thete is no way to limit them for talking Cheesy. And this is great because they have really active players on their site. You cant change this, that is why some players are more likely to play on some quite place and only talk or sharing about good things. But some sites offer rain bonus to make sure chat active and this is where abuser will come and spam everthing
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This is very interesting, would be a bit complicated for new users though which defeats the purpose of the faucet. We've toyed with the idea of having a 'faucet balance' and 'main balance' on our back-end but honestly a faucet cut is long overdue just simply due to the price rise of coins making it hyper profitable for abusers to hop aboard.

Hello Stunna.

I think I saw a post regarding primedice getting 'rainmakers' . Hopefully this would lessen abusers.
I am also thinking that a survey or maybe a poll in the PD community would make US feel being put into consideration.

(just my opinion)

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June 07, 2017, 06:45:19 AM
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Just got this email:


Hi  dre1982,
As a loyal customer of Primedice, we are offering you an exclusive cashback promotion. Starting this Thursday, you will receive 20% Rakeback. This means that you can earn money back simply by playing.
The promotion will begin on Thursday, June 8th at 07:01 CET and will terminate on Thursday, June 15th at 07:00 CET.
Please be advised that your account will be credited at the end of the promotion.
We hope to see you soon, and we wish you the best of luck playing on Primedice.


Is this from PD or is it just a scam? They keep muting me for nothing so its looks weird the mail me and say i am a loyal customer.  Grin

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Just came back after a really long time on pd. And notices that now there is a per day faucet claim limit. Can anyone tell what exactly this limit is? i.e how many faucet claims can I do per day? Also, are there any slightest plans of bringing back the pvp system?
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June 07, 2017, 08:20:32 AM
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Just got this email:


Hi  dre1982,
As a loyal customer of Primedice, we are offering you an exclusive cashback promotion. Starting this Thursday, you will receive 20% Rakeback. This means that you can earn money back simply by playing.
The promotion will begin on Thursday, June 8th at 07:01 CET and will terminate on Thursday, June 15th at 07:00 CET.
Please be advised that your account will be credited at the end of the promotion.
We hope to see you soon, and we wish you the best of luck playing on Primedice.


Is this from PD or is it just a scam? They keep muting me for nothing so its looks weird the mail me and say i am a loyal customer.  Grin

I haven't received such an email myself so i don't think it is a genuine one. I presume such emails are supposed to be sent to all users of primedice. They also usually advice on bitcointalk and sent instant alerts through their platform.
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June 07, 2017, 08:41:51 AM
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Just got this email:


Hi  dre1982,
As a loyal customer of Primedice, we are offering you an exclusive cashback promotion. Starting this Thursday, you will receive 20% Rakeback. This means that you can earn money back simply by playing.
The promotion will begin on Thursday, June 8th at 07:01 CET and will terminate on Thursday, June 15th at 07:00 CET.
Please be advised that your account will be credited at the end of the promotion.
We hope to see you soon, and we wish you the best of luck playing on Primedice.


Is this from PD or is it just a scam? They keep muting me for nothing so its looks weird the mail me and say i am a loyal customer.  Grin
Well, the  promotion doesn't contain any phishing links or any thing asking you to pay on some email id. Its just a plain simple email from which only the workers at primedice could benefit. You should ask if this is real from the support. Please may I ask from which email did you receive this message?
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June 07, 2017, 09:04:16 AM
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Just got this email:


Hi  dre1982,
As a loyal customer of Primedice, we are offering you an exclusive cashback promotion. Starting this Thursday, you will receive 20% Rakeback. This means that you can earn money back simply by playing.
The promotion will begin on Thursday, June 8th at 07:01 CET and will terminate on Thursday, June 15th at 07:00 CET.
Please be advised that your account will be credited at the end of the promotion.
We hope to see you soon, and we wish you the best of luck playing on Primedice.


Is this from PD or is it just a scam? They keep muting me for nothing so its looks weird the mail me and say i am a loyal customer.  Grin
Well, the  promotion doesn't contain any phishing links or any thing asking you to pay on some email id. Its just a plain simple email from which only the workers at primedice could benefit. You should ask if this is real from the support. Please may I ask from which email did you receive this message?

Well there is a link in the mail, but I don't click it, never know whats behind it.

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June 07, 2017, 09:24:14 AM
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Just got this email:


Hi  dre1982,
As a loyal customer of Primedice, we are offering you an exclusive cashback promotion. Starting this Thursday, you will receive 20% Rakeback. This means that you can earn money back simply by playing.
The promotion will begin on Thursday, June 8th at 07:01 CET and will terminate on Thursday, June 15th at 07:00 CET.
Please be advised that your account will be credited at the end of the promotion.
We hope to see you soon, and we wish you the best of luck playing on Primedice.


Is this from PD or is it just a scam? They keep muting me for nothing so its looks weird the mail me and say i am a loyal customer.  Grin
Well, the  promotion doesn't contain any phishing links or any thing asking you to pay on some email id. Its just a plain simple email from which only the workers at primedice could benefit. You should ask if this is real from the support. Please may I ask from which email did you receive this message?

Well there is a link in the mail, but I don't click it, never know whats behind it.

The offer is legitimate. I have asked from support about it, they forwarded me to Brais from marketing who replied only selected users got the offer.

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Just got this email:


Hi  dre1982,
As a loyal customer of Primedice, we are offering you an exclusive cashback promotion. Starting this Thursday, you will receive 20% Rakeback. This means that you can earn money back simply by playing.
The promotion will begin on Thursday, June 8th at 07:01 CET and will terminate on Thursday, June 15th at 07:00 CET.
Please be advised that your account will be credited at the end of the promotion.
We hope to see you soon, and we wish you the best of luck playing on Primedice.


Is this from PD or is it just a scam? They keep muting me for nothing so its looks weird the mail me and say i am a loyal customer.  Grin
Well, the  promotion doesn't contain any phishing links or any thing asking you to pay on some email id. Its just a plain simple email from which only the workers at primedice could benefit. You should ask if this is real from the support. Please may I ask from which email did you receive this message?

Well there is a link in the mail, but I don't click it, never know whats behind it.

The offer is legitimate. I have asked from support about it, they forwarded me to Brais from marketing who replied only selected users got the offer.
Any ideas who was eligible for getting this offer? And as I have not linked my email with my pd account, how do I know if I was selected for this offer not? Anything special that I'll get to see on my PD?
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June 07, 2017, 10:46:16 AM
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Just got this email:


Hi  dre1982,
As a loyal customer of Primedice, we are offering you an exclusive cashback promotion. Starting this Thursday, you will receive 20% Rakeback. This means that you can earn money back simply by playing.
The promotion will begin on Thursday, June 8th at 07:01 CET and will terminate on Thursday, June 15th at 07:00 CET.
Please be advised that your account will be credited at the end of the promotion.
We hope to see you soon, and we wish you the best of luck playing on Primedice.


Is this from PD or is it just a scam? They keep muting me for nothing so its looks weird the mail me and say i am a loyal customer.  Grin
Well, the  promotion doesn't contain any phishing links or any thing asking you to pay on some email id. Its just a plain simple email from which only the workers at primedice could benefit. You should ask if this is real from the support. Please may I ask from which email did you receive this message?

Well there is a link in the mail, but I don't click it, never know whats behind it.

The offer is legitimate. I have asked from support about it, they forwarded me to Brais from marketing who replied only selected users got the offer.
Any ideas who was eligible for getting this offer? And as I have not linked my email with my pd account, how do I know if I was selected for this offer not? Anything special that I'll get to see on my PD?

Don't know, I don't come back to PD anymore. Just checking if it was real of just scam to warn others.

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