Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes)

[ktttn]

there are enough resources on this overpopulated earth to have anyone feed everyone

Do you even read what you write?

That kitten in your avatar is....adorable!
It makes you my favorite troll you know that?
Whenever you post, I always vividly imagine that your avatar is the one talking to me.
If I compliment you enough, can I has a reasonably meager trolltoll?
>implying that if you could tear the quote apart you would not pounce at the chance.
Look, I did all that formatting...

Edit: Do you even
A) quote what I say
B) lift
C) do you even
D) own a buisiness

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[myrkul]

there are enough resources on this overpopulated earth to have anyone feed everyone

Do you even read what you write?

That kitten in your avatar is....adorable!
It makes you my favorite troll you know that?
Whenever you post, I always vividly imagine that your avatar is the one talking to me.
If I compliment you enough, can I has a reasonably meager trolltoll?
>implying that if you could tear the quote apart you would not pounce at the chance.
Look, I did all that formatting...

Edit: Do you even
A) quote what I say
B) lift
C) do you even
D) own a buisiness

So...is that a no?

[ktttn]

there are enough resources on this overpopulated earth to have anyone feed everyone

Do you even read what you write?

That kitten in your avatar is....adorable!
It makes you my favorite troll you know that?
Whenever you post, I always vividly imagine that your avatar is the one talking to me.
If I compliment you enough, can I has a reasonably meager trolltoll?
>implying that if you could tear the quote apart you would not pounce at the chance.
Look, I did all that formatting...

Edit: Do you even
A) quote what I say
B) lift
C) do you even
D) own a buisiness

So...is that a no?

What answer gets me my trolltoll?
>implying that if you could tear the quote apart you would not pounce at the chance.
Also, the correct answer is always C.
You did butcher my sentence though. There are like fifteen more commas in that sentence. lets call it 15mBTC you owe me. Fair?

[myrkul]

there are enough resources on this overpopulated earth to have anyone feed everyone

Do you even read what you write?

That kitten in your avatar is....adorable!
It makes you my favorite troll you know that?
Whenever you post, I always vividly imagine that your avatar is the one talking to me.
If I compliment you enough, can I has a reasonably meager trolltoll?
>implying that if you could tear the quote apart you would not pounce at the chance.
Look, I did all that formatting...

Edit: Do you even
A) quote what I say
B) lift
C) do you even
D) own a buisiness

So...is that a no?

What answer gets me my trolltoll?
>implying that if you could tear the quote apart you would not pounce at the chance.
Also, the correct answer is always C.
You did butcher my sentence though. There are like fifteen more commas in that sentence. lets call it 15mBTC you owe me. Fair?

I'm going to take that as a no.

[kodo]

Taxes are necessary, accept it.

[myrkul]

Taxes are necessary, accept it.

Prove it.

[myrkul]

Taxes are necessary, accept it.

Prove it.

Lol! You just never quit, do you. If you really had any interest in being scientific about it, rather than just wanting to stroke your ego, you would seriously think about what happened to all those anarchic tax-free societies that supposedly existed in the distant past.

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3upo83

Oh, your meme has convinced me!

Present a real argument, you dolt.

[Lethn]

Taxes are necessary, accept it.

Prove it.

Lol! You just never quit, do you. If you really had any interest in being scientific about it, rather than just wanting to stroke your ego, you would seriously think about what happened to all those anarchic tax-free societies that supposedly existed in the distant past.

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3upo83

If you want to go there, many low tax or no tax countries have been attacked and taken over forcefully by pro-government entities, more recently the EU forced Lichtenstein and Switzerland to start handing over their information, there's Anarchism or similar forms of very limited government failing of their own accord and then there's them failing because of outside political influence or even just plain old fashioned "Comply with our laws or you will be destroyed" force and threats.

[ktttn]

Taxes are necessary, accept it.

Prove it.

Lol! You just never quit, do you. If you really had any interest in being scientific about it, rather than just wanting to stroke your ego, you would seriously think about what happened to all those anarchic tax-free societies that supposedly existed in the distant past.

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3upo83

If you want to go there, many low tax or no tax countries have been attacked and taken over forcefully by pro-government entities, more recently the EU forced Lichtenstein and Switzerland to start handing over their information, there's Anarchism or similar forms of very limited government failing of their own accord and then there's them failing because of outside political influence or even just plain old fashioned "Comply with our laws or you will be destroyed" force and threats.

Ive concluded that every discussion involving anarchism on this forum will devolve into ancaps and pro capitalism herpderps idealizing themselves into a hole.

[myrkul]

Ive concluded that every discussion involving anarchism on this forum will devolve into ancaps and pro capitalism herpderps idealizing themselves into a hole.

Well, if you want anti-capitalist herpderps, you've come to the wrong place.

[mprep]

Ive concluded that every discussion involving anarchism on this forum will devolve into ancaps and pro capitalism herpderps idealizing themselves into a hole.

Well, if you want anti-capitalist herpderps, you've come to the wrong place.

Yeah. This isn't the place for it.

[blablahblah]

Ive concluded that every discussion involving anarchism on this forum will devolve into ancaps and pro capitalism herpderps idealizing themselves into a hole.

Well, if you want anti-capitalist herpderps, you've come to the wrong place.

Yeah. This isn't the place for it.

Spoken on a Bitcoin forum. How ironic.

How about I make a quick list of Bitcoin's socialist tendencies (not that I'm a socialist or anything, just pointing things out.)

• Relies on infrastructure that's sponsored by someone else. E.g.: distributed memory pool for unconfirmed transactions = unfunded; network resources = unfunded
• Relies on charity to pay for development. So far this kind-of works, but anecdotal evidence suggests it's mostly a loss-making hobby and contributors usually have other day jobs to subsidize it.
• Most direct funding is through a combination of "inflation tax" and exchange rate appreciation.
  
• As long as participation remains voluntary and transparent, the inflation seems acceptable. If it's ever forced on me, I might start demanding that the miners provide various governmental services in return.
• As people put more of their faith into Bitcoin, the exchange rate goes up and it parasitically steals value from other things. One way to think of Bitcoin is: it's just one bubble in a global washing basin full of other bubbles. If one bubble grows, the other bubbles have less room.

[crumbcake]

Ive concluded that every discussion involving anarchism on this forum will devolve into ancaps and pro capitalism herpderps idealizing themselves into a hole.

Well, if you want anti-capitalist herpderps, you've come to the wrong place.

Yeah. This isn't the place for it.

Spoken on a Bitcoin forum. How ironic.

How about I make a quick list of Bitcoin's socialist tendencies (not that I'm a socialist or anything, just pointing things out.)

• Relies on infrastructure that's sponsored by someone else. E.g.: distributed memory pool for unconfirmed transactions = unfunded; network resources = unfunded
• Relies on charity to pay for development. So far this kind-of works, but anecdotal evidence suggests it's mostly a loss-making hobby and contributors usually have other day jobs to subsidize it.
• Most direct funding is through a combination of "inflation tax" and exchange rate appreciation.
  
• As long as participation remains voluntary and transparent, the inflation seems acceptable. If it's ever forced on me, I might start demanding that the miners provide various governmental services in return.
• As people put more of their faith into Bitcoin, the exchange rate goes up and it parasitically steals value from other things. One way to think of Bitcoin is: it's just one bubble in a global washing basin full of other bubbles. If one bubble grows, the other bubbles have less room.

Well, sort o'.  The neat thing about capitalism is it's so flexible.  Since it has no "higher ideals" to shackle it, it has no problem mutating to absorb & incorporate elements of other economic systems.  US could be called a capitalist country (i know, debatable, but give me some rope here, who knows i might ...)  And US has charities, social programs, religious communes -- all of that hippie stuff.  The main thing that lets us call it capitalist is most of the means of production are in private hands.   Bitcoin is being mined by gear more & more specialized, the miners are no longer consumers (if they ever were).  They're Bitcoin's industrialists, controlling the means of production.**  Having a wallet & jumping on the network makes one no more of an owner than riding a train makes one a RR tycoon.  So, all's well, the motivation is mainly greed ("enlightened self-interest," "invisible hand" etc., etc.), and if some pro bono work happens as a side effect, so be it.
Your last point is a killah, though.  It clearly shows that Bitcoin is simply infringing on fiat's territory & not creating a parallel economy that some here try to preach.  If there are 5 cows & 5 competing currencies to buy them, the question isn't "how many cows do we divvy up, but "who gets the cows."

Edit: **Well, that's sort-a a slight of hand on my part, bitcoin's not really a commodity.  But if we're talking capitalism vs socialism, we have to assume that *something* is being made

[ktttn]

Ive concluded that every discussion involving anarchism on this forum will devolve into ancaps and pro capitalism herpderps idealizing themselves into a hole.

Well, if you want anti-capitalist herpderps, you've come to the wrong place.

Yeah. This isn't the place for it.

Spoken on a Bitcoin forum. How ironic.

How about I make a quick list of Bitcoin's socialist tendencies (not that I'm a socialist or anything, just pointing things out.)

• Relies on infrastructure that's sponsored by someone else. E.g.: distributed memory pool for unconfirmed transactions = unfunded; network resources = unfunded
• Relies on charity to pay for development. So far this kind-of works, but anecdotal evidence suggests it's mostly a loss-making hobby and contributors usually have other day jobs to subsidize it.
• Most direct funding is through a combination of "inflation tax" and exchange rate appreciation.
  
• As long as participation remains voluntary and transparent, the inflation seems acceptable. If it's ever forced on me, I might start demanding that the miners provide various governmental services in return.
• As people put more of their faith into Bitcoin, the exchange rate goes up and it parasitically steals value from other things. One way to think of Bitcoin is: it's just one bubble in a global washing basin full of other bubbles. If one bubble grows, the other bubbles have less room.

Well, sort o'.  The neat thing about capitalism is it's so flexible.  Since it has no "higher ideals" to shackle it, it has no problem mutating to absorb & incorporate elements of other economic systems.  US could be called a capitalist country (i know, debatable, but give me some rope here, who knows i might ...)  And US has charities, social programs, religious communes -- all of that hippie stuff.  The main thing that lets us call it capitalist is most of the means of production are in private hands.   Bitcoin is being mined by gear more & more specialized, the miners are no longer consumers (if they ever were).  They're Bitcoin's industrialists, controlling the means of production.**  Having a wallet & jumping on the network makes one no more of an owner than riding a train makes one a RR tycoon.  So, all's well, the motivation is mainly greed ("enlightened self-interest," "invisible hand" etc., etc.), and if some pro bono work happens as a side effect, so be it.
Your last point is a killah, though.  It clearly shows that Bitcoin is simply infringing on fiat's territory & not creating a parallel economy that some here try to preach.  If there are 5 cows & 5 competing currencies to buy them, the question isn't "how many cows do we divvy up, but "who gets the cows."

Edit: **Well, that's sort-a a slight of hand on my part, bitcoin's not really a commodity.  But if we're talking capitalism vs socialism, we have to assume that *something* is being made

Miners hands, black as coal.
Farmers hands.

Soldiers hand.

Rich man hands.
Which hand is the invisible one again? The artist's? The hardware hacker?
What do capialists' hands look like?

[ktttn]

What is a fee, if not a tax?

[Mike Christ]

A bill?

[myrkul]

What is a fee, if not a tax?

fee 
/fē/
Noun

• A payment made for professional advice or services.
• Money paid as part of a special transaction, e.g., for a privilege or for admission to something.

tax 
/taks/
Noun
A compulsory contribution to state revenue, levied by the government on workers' income and business profits or added to the cost of some goods, services, and transactions.

[Rassah]

Waah, sorry I missed this thread. Watching (still reading)

[ktttn]

[myrkul]

A few questions.

Whose tree was that? If it belonged to the man in the red shirt (as the first panel implies), then the stereotype in the tophat actually owes him money, for altering his property without his permission. If it belongs to the stereotype, what is red-shirt doing on his land?

And clearly, the red-shirted man appreciated the stereotype's labor, or else he wouldn't have paid him. Or are you implying that there was some sort of extortion going on?