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May 21, 2013, 12:50:27 AM
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Bitcoin IS WWIII.

WWIII is happening now.

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May 21, 2013, 01:03:12 AM
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I fear that with WW3 comes a loss of internet/network........

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we are in wwIII

its just a lot more urban and state against the people war


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May 21, 2013, 01:03:33 AM
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Bitcoin IS WWIII.

WWIII is happening now.

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May 21, 2013, 01:10:38 AM
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The thought of war gets me really scared nowadays.. The leaders of the country I'm from (Sweden) has admitted that the past years of reduced funds to military and defense has led to that in case of an invasion, we will not be able to defend ourselves. Embarrassed

There sure are tension between many countries.. And the crazy terrorist groups are very dangerous as well. If extremists of the ideology and religion Islam, for example, get their hands on some nukes some really terrible things will happen.
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May 21, 2013, 01:16:08 AM
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The thought of war gets me really scared nowadays.. The leaders of the country I'm from (Sweden) has admitted that the past years of reduced funds to military and defense has led to that in case of an invasion, we will not be able to defend ourselves. Embarrassed

There sure are tension between many countries.. And the crazy terrorist groups are very dangerous as well. If extremists of the ideology and religion Islam, for example, get their hands on some nukes some really terrible things will happen.

Why Islam? Thats the media influence, you have been brainwashed. I prefer too use the IRA (Catholic extremists) as an example! Cheesy

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May 21, 2013, 01:24:07 AM
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The thought of war gets me really scared nowadays.. The leaders of the country I'm from (Sweden) has admitted that the past years of reduced funds to military and defense has led to that in case of an invasion, we will not be able to defend ourselves. Embarrassed

There sure are tension between many countries.. And the crazy terrorist groups are very dangerous as well. If extremists of the ideology and religion Islam, for example, get their hands on some nukes some really terrible things will happen.

You are watching TV too much, There hidden hand that orchest what your mind think. Muslims for example, are even encouraged to be kind to animals and are forbidden to hurt them.

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May 21, 2013, 01:39:49 AM
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To the educated person who research what is REALLY going on with the world there is almost no question of if there will be a WWIII and I do believe future historians will point out that the date in which the war started is previous to the one stated while you read these lines. The "starting point" of a war is not with the first nuke, go research WWII and WWI and see what is the date "decided" to be the beginning.

Now, for evidence and knowledge about what is going on you can research on youtube, google and newsletters... you will see it's happening right now, the stage is almost "set" completely for it to start in a scale that will make the average joe and not just the educated person say it's happening.

So for me... the question is not "if" it happens... I meant this post to be focused on what do you guys think would happen to Bitcoin during such a war.
I will go further and explain what is "such a war":
A war in which the biggest nations fight financially and militarily using all means they got. Nukes/Biological/Chemical where the first attacks cause 30% of the world population parish and then during the next 10-12 months another 30% parishes from radioactivity/diseases etc.

I think the Internet is one of the few things that will survive... as, btw, Nukes don't destroy all that much of buildings and surroundings... don't get me wrong... it does... but it hurts Biological "targets" in a much greater radios than it hits buildings and infrastructure.

So, what do you think, is it safe to use BTC as a means of payment during such times?

If you have questions for me, or you want proof etc... After you have done your homework/resaerch, I will be happy to provide you with links and information. But please don't ask for any of that before you took at least 20 minutes of your time to research on your own.
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May 21, 2013, 01:40:25 AM
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OK perhaps the TV has brainwashed me enough when it comes to the nuke thingie..I admit : >

Nothing bad about muslims. If something, it's the religion that bothers me, not the people.
It was talk about war country against country but I just wanted to make as an example, that if extremists (of any religion) get their hands on big-ass bombs, it can go bad as well. Religion hunting down other religions like never before, etc.
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May 21, 2013, 01:47:55 AM
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I hate ALL religion with a passion!

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May 21, 2013, 03:13:32 AM
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The thought of war gets me really scared nowadays.. The leaders of the country I'm from (Sweden) has admitted that the past years of reduced funds to military and defense has led to that in case of an invasion, we will not be able to defend ourselves. Embarrassed

There sure are tension between many countries.. And the crazy terrorist groups are very dangerous as well. If extremists of the ideology and religion Islam, for example, get their hands on some nukes some really terrible things will happen.
Economics down, war is a good excuses to stimulate it. Terrorists are always everywhere and anytime.

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May 21, 2013, 05:08:04 AM
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WW3 is less than a few months away. The bubbles in the US are getting ready to burst, they need to shift the blame. war, nukes, bombs, chemicals, we are all doomed
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May 21, 2013, 12:41:59 PM
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WW3 is less than a few months away. The bubbles in the US are getting ready to burst, they need to shift the blame. war, nukes, bombs, chemicals, we are all doomed

The war will start in the middle east: North to Israel is where the danger is right now (Hizballah and Syria) then, after the attack vs Israel begins, the rest of the world will have to follow and get in the conflict. Since Russia/Iran/China are backing Syria, when the US and European nations will get involved as well, it will be a conflict escalation into a WWIII.

So the middle east is where all eyes and ears should be pointed to and the recent 48 hours show it's happening right now as Hizballah said they are going to start a war vs Israel and Syria joined them saying the same thing.

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WW3 is less than a few months away. The bubbles in the US are getting ready to burst, they need to shift the blame. war, nukes, bombs, chemicals, we are all doomed

The war will start in the middle east: North to Israel is where the danger is right now (Hizballah and Syria) then, after the attack vs Israel begins, the rest of the world will have to follow and get in the conflict. Since Russia/Iran/China are backing Syria, when the US and European nations will get involved as well, it will be a conflict escalation into a WWIII.

So the middle east is where all eyes and ears should be pointed to and the recent 48 hours show it's happening right now as Hizballah said they are going to start a war vs Israel and Syria joined them saying the same thing.



Is there any news article or such you can link about this? I'm interested in reading some more on the subject.
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Is there any news article or such you can link about this? I'm interested in reading some more on the subject.

Recent (Days):
http://www.wnd.com/2013/05/hezbollah-preparing-to-attack-israel-commander-says/
http://www.yalibnan.com/tag/hezbollah/
http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_opinion.php?id=4397
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israeli-official-hints-at-more-attacks-on-syria-warns-assad-not-to-respond-1.524151
http://www.timesofisrael.com/syria-will-launch-chemical-response-to-israeli-attack/ ("Syria threatens to hit Israel with chemical weapons if attacked" - "attacked" means, Israel destroy a convoy delivery of arms to Terrorist group Hizballah).

I can send many (MANY) more articles from recent weeks and months......... including videos etc... if you want, tell me please. But basically you can research on your own

One side
Russia backing up Syria:
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/revenge_of_the_bear_russia_strikes_back_in_syria_20130521/ - Russia backin up Syria
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/21/opinion/why-is-russia-still-arming-syria.html?_r=0

Iran backing up Syria:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2012/sep/20/syria-iranian-arms-via-iraq-live
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/03/14/uk-syria-crisis-iran-idUKBRE92D11W20130314
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/19/us-syria-crisis-iran-iraq-idUSBRE88I17B20120919

China backinh up Syria:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rajan-menon/china-russia-veto-syria-resolution_b_1692013.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/06/world/meast/syria-unrest

Vs the other Side:
USA backing up Rebbels against Syria:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/01/us-usa-syria-obama-order-idUSBRE8701OK20120801
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/01/us/syria-rebels-us-aid
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/28/us-support-syrian-rebels-military

UK + France backing rebbels against Syria:
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/20/world/syria-civil-war
http://rt.com/news/uk-france-arm-syria-250/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/07/france-funding-syrian-rebels

And so on and on,
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May 21, 2013, 01:22:57 PM
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...snip...

I think the Internet is one of the few things that will survive... as, btw, Nukes don't destroy all that much of buildings and surroundings... don't get me wrong... it does... but it hurts Biological "targets" in a much greater radios than it hits buildings and infrastructure.
...snip...

I'm no expert as I was brought up to believe that there are enough nukes to kill all humans 10 times over and you say there is only enough to kill 30% of humans. But, afaik, there will be no Internet after nukes - electromagnetic pulses all over the world will frazzle the routers.
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May 21, 2013, 01:37:18 PM
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What a bunch of nonsense. But there is probably be a reason that the US military is going insane right now. Perhaps they want to expand the budget, now that some wars are ending. Perhaps that is why they are flying stealth bombers over North Korea, threatening Iran, etc. I'm glad the empire is running out of money.
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I'm no expert as I was brought up to believe that there are enough nukes to kill all humans 10 times over and you say there is only enough to kill 30% of humans. But, afaik, there will be no Internet after nukes - electromagnetic pulses all over the world will frazzle the routers.

I never ever said there are not enough nukes (and Hydrogen bombs) to kill more than stated above, but the fact of the matter is:
1. Some people will keep themselves safe, for example if a "typical" atom bomb explodes half a mile from your house and you are inside a standard safe-room with 30 CM concrete walls, you won't be hit from the radiation until you leave the room.
2. The bombs will be aimed on specific locations, probably high population concentrations, but even so - the demographic of people includes many people living outside the dense areas.
3. There is a chance for some "safe havens" - maybe some countries won't be attacked at all.
4. Once it starts, there are large "safe rooms" the governments made for the population, and those get into those should be ok.

As for the EMP, that is a serious problem, mainly from an intentional emp bombs and not the side-effect caused by the nukes, even though a nuke can cause the emp, the effect is slim compared to an EMP directed to cause it in the right frequency and exploded in the right height.
Example for such a threat; North Korea launched a "Satellite" to orbit quite recently, and the USA threatened with sanctions if they will do so, they did not care about US threats and launched the Satellite. The US said that this should be looked at as a "long range missile experiment". Anyway, the point is, according to scientists, this Satellite, which was launched successfully btw, is not receiving or transmitting any data from or to earth... in other words they said it is not functioning as a satellite... There is some speculation as to "why would anyone launch a satellite which is not a satellite" into orbit.... and the main theory is that it is a weapon, capable of launching an emp over the US.
Now, why use an orbiting-device instead of launching a long-range missile if/when they wish to attack the US? simple; the oceans make the flight take time, and during this time the missile can be intercepted, now at the same time, it is also harder to launch such a missile because the launching movements will be seen and can be intercepted and also capabilities of launching a missile to such a long range (I.E NK to US) is hard to get.
So, a satalite, once it is above the US, can easily launch a missile that hits the sky of the us within seconds instead of minutes-of flight from UK to US.
Now, since the missile comes from above, there is a good chance it is an emp missile, as emp calculations show that the most effective way to dispatch the wave is by a balanced symmetric explosion in the sky above the area you want to hit.

much of the Internet's Infrastructure is under the sea and no one will waste bombs to go to the sea. However, power-surges will happen in many places since one of the "best" targets is the power supplies of different countries. Therefore power-surges can cause internet blackouts, but as Bitcoin is created and the way the Internet is created, once a country restores the power, the data moves on and it's like a "hit the hydra head" kind of game.
In fact, the internet was invented to allow the US preserve the information and survive a WWIII scenario, as the famous physic professor Michio Kaku stated in one of his lectures.
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May 21, 2013, 02:30:13 PM
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btc237ftw you are making 2 unrelated and totally wrong points.

1.  If a nuclear war takes place, using all the weapons that the superpowers have, hiding in basements isn't going to do much good as the environment will be poisoned.  Sooner or later you have to breathe and then you will take in poison and die.  As I said, I am no expert and I know the US and Russia are dismantling their arsenals.  But I hadn't known it reached the point that Mutually Assured Destruction no longer applied.  The danger of a nuclear war followed by a nuclear winter is that all life is wiped out.

2. An EMP takes out the electrical infrastructure, not the cables.  It doesn't matter if cables survive when the power stations are disabled and when the routers at the end of the cables are disabled.

If there were a nuclear war of the kind you are thinking, humanity would be reduced to extinction level and we might well be extinct.  There certainly wouldn't be the teams of engineers to run the Internet.  Bitcoin would be worthless.  So would the dollar.  Bullets and tinned tuna would be the new gold.
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May 21, 2013, 02:34:31 PM
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There isn't even need for any nukes for Internet to go down. Just if the contracts are lost or certain nations decide to go after cables it's done for a while... Very likely it will survive in some state inside nation and for single operators, but global connections are entirely different thing...

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May 21, 2013, 03:01:01 PM
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Bitcoin requires electricity and an Internet connection, and it's difficult to imagine they would remain constant and unaffected in case of a global conflict. Then, from what I've seen, even with my very limited experience of war, war is about survival, meaning that only physical goods remain valuable. When there's only one bread left in a shop, the shop owner will only sell it to the guy paying with hard currency.

It's funny that people are suggesting that the internet would be broken by a WWIII type event (assuming nuclear) - because the internet was created by DARPA precisely to be resistant to this exact threat Smiley

It would take a heck of a lot of physical destruction to bring down the internet entirely - by that time no humans would be left to use it anyway.

As for Bitcoin, only one copy of the blockchain needs to persist.

As for what remains valuable in war, I remember reading a fascinating account of Hong Kong under Japanese occupation - a situation where preexisting currency was rendered useless. Gold and jewellery were used to store wealth. And Jews sewed gold into their clothes when escaping from the Nazis. Portable wealth is the key, and Bitcoin ticks that particular box quite nicely. You can keep it in your brain, let alone sewed into your clothes or dangling from your ears.

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