Homeland Security raids mall kiosks, claims they "fund terrorists"

[AzureEngineer]

No, it still is. It is not only sensational, it is a complete lie.

Since you keep moving the goalposts, your actual issue with the article is hard to ascertain: it's either a lie or I should be glad that DHS shut down a possible terrorist funding operation.

Which is it?

Those two choices do not contradict one another and are not mutually exclusive. You're title still says the DHS claimed the products "fund terrorists." That is a lie.

[Severian]

That is a lie.

Out of curiosity, is defending the honor of DHS a hobby or a job?

[AzureEngineer]

That is a lie.

Out of curiosity, is defending the honor of DHS a hobby or a job?

Lying is not acceptable, whether it is done by the government or by you. Every one of these threads you make obfuscates real issues. You dilute an otherwise serious topic by adding bias and lies.

Every time you make up garbage, you cause more and more people to assume that you and people like you make up garbage. I'm all for criticizing the government, but you're doing it in the wrong manner.

[myrkul]

That is a lie.

Out of curiosity, is defending the honor of DHS a hobby or a job?

Lying is not acceptable, whether it is done by the government or by you.

Well, given that they're doing it wholesale, and this is just one tiny fudge, aren't there bigger fish to fry? I mean, all he did was leave out "could."

[AzureEngineer]

Well, given that they're doing it wholesale, and this is just one tiny fudge, aren't there bigger fish to fry? I mean, all he did was leave out "could."

One word is all it takes to make the truth a lie. The real question is why was the title "Police seize counterfeit goods from stores" not chosen? The answer is obvious: because the truth is boring.

[myrkul]

Well, given that they're doing it wholesale, and this is just one tiny fudge, aren't there bigger fish to fry? I mean, all he did was leave out "could."

One word is all it takes to make the truth a lie. The real question is why was the title "Police seize counterfeit goods from stores" not chosen? The answer is obvious: because the truth is boring.

So now you're claiming it wasn't DHS?

[Severian]

 I'm all for criticizing the government, but you're doing it in the wrong manner.

The difference between the government claiming that something "could fund terrorism" or that something "funds terrorism" is so slight as to be non-existent. If the DHS publicly claimed that AzureEngineer "could be a pedophile" or that AzureEngineer "is a pedophile" after raiding your house, do you think that the average Joe would see a difference?

Nope.

[AzureEngineer]

So now you're claiming it wasn't DHS?

Please point out where I claimed that. I also suggest looking up the definition of the word "police."

The difference between the government claiming that something "could fund terrorism" or that something "funds terrorism" is so slight as to be non-existent. If the DHS publicly claimed that AzureEngineer "could be a pedophile" or that AzureEngineer "is a pedophile" after raiding your house, do you think that the average Joe would see a difference?

Nope.

What the "average joe" thinks is irrelevant. Are you trying to make an intelligent discussion or are you just trying to bullshit the "average joe"? The latter seems more likely.

[Severian]

What the "average joe" thinks is irrelevant.

DHS puts out their explanations of "could fund terrorism" for the average Joe, not for those in the DHS.

Are you trying to make an intelligent discussion

Yes, but it would be nice if you helped.

[myrkul]

So now you're claiming it wasn't DHS?

Please point out where I claimed that. I also suggest looking up the definition of the word "police."

One word is all it takes to make a lie.

[AzureEngineer]

DHS puts out their explanations of "could fund terrorism" for the average Joe, not for those in the DHS.

Which contradicts your title.

Yes, but it would be nice if you helped.

You've already been backed into a wall and given up once, this must mean its happening again?

One word is all it takes to make a lie.

This is correct, but irrelevant. My previous statement remains to be correct. Make sure you know the English language before you make posts in it.

[Severian]

You've already been backed into a wall and given up once, this must mean its happening again?

Why is this being made about me? This is about DHS busting trademark infringers and claiming that they could fund terrorism as the excuse.

[MooC Tals]

Whats next the internet has terrorists dealing in bitcoins. Uh OH

[AzureEngineer]

Why is this being made about me? This is about DHS busting trademark infringers and claiming that they could fund terrorism as the excuse.

Counterfeit items are a danger in and of themselves. They are often made without industry regulations (because the manufactureres are illegal in the first place). The DHS handled the situation because the operation behind the counterfeit items may have also been a terrorist organization. What exactly is your problem with any of that?

[MooC Tals]

Why is this being made about me? This is about DHS busting trademark infringers and claiming that they could fund terrorism as the excuse.

Counterfeit items are a danger in and of themselves. They are often made without industry regulations (because the manufactureres are illegal in the first place). The DHS handled the situation because the operation behind the counterfeit items may have also been a terrorist organization. What exactly is your problem with any of that?

Busting local kiosks should be done by local police after their done busting everyone for city infractions.

[myrkul]

One word is all it takes to make a lie.

This is correct, but irrelevant. My previous statement remains to be correct. Make sure you know the English language before you make posts in it.

So should you.

police  plural of po·lice (Noun)
Noun

    The civil force of a federal or local government, responsible for the prevention and detection of crime and the maintenance of public order.

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is a cabinet department of the United States federal government, created in response to the September 11 attacks, and with the primary responsibilities of protecting the United States of America and U.S. territories (including protectorates) from and responding to terrorist attacks, man-made accidents, and natural disasters.

[AzureEngineer]

Busting local kiosks should be done by local police after their done busting everyone for city infractions.

DHS are the police when it involves crimes such as these. Its one of the main reasons the department was created.

So should you.

po·lice/pəˈlis/ Show Spelled [puh-lees] Show IPA noun, verb, po·liced, po·lic·ing. 
noun
1. Also called police force.  an organized civil force for maintaining order, preventing and detecting crime, and enforcing the laws.
2. ( used with a plural verb  ) members of such a force: Several police are patrolling the neighborhood. 
3. the regulation and control of a community, especially for the maintenance of public order, safety, health, morals, etc.
4. the department of the government concerned with this, especially with the maintenance of order.
5. any body of people officially maintained or employed to keep order, enforce regulations, etc.

Lol, try again?

[myrkul]

Busting local kiosks should be done by local police after their done busting everyone for city infractions.

DHS are the police when it involves crimes such as these.

Which ones? The ones involving terrorists?

Or trademark violations?

[AzureEngineer]

Which ones? The ones involving terrorists?

Or trademark violations?

The former, however if the former involves the latter then the jurisdiction is easily expanded. As the article states, the DHS obtained the necessary warrants before proceeding.

[Hawker]

Why is this being made about me? This is about DHS busting trademark infringers and claiming that they could fund terrorism as the excuse.

Counterfeit items are a danger in and of themselves. They are often made without industry regulations (because the manufactureres are illegal in the first place). The DHS handled the situation because the operation behind the counterfeit items may have also been a terrorist organization. What exactly is your problem with any of that?

The problem is that Homeland Security people are sitting about waiting since 2002 waiting for something they can fight back against.  Nothing has happened that they can stop. So they are using counter-terrorist institutions and legislation against hucksters selling fake perfumes and jeans.

I agree the hucksters needed to be taken down.  I agree that the Homeland Security people are more use doing that than sitting about playing pocket billiards.  But what does bother me is that its called "Homeland Security" and its being used for routine police work.  

If they had done the same raid and never once mentioned terrorism or Homeland Security, no-one would object.

Severian's point in making the post is that petty crime is being attacked by elite anti-terrorist forces backed by the Patriot Act.  I'm sure you can see why that is a bad thing.

The other guys piling in saying this proves that all police action is evil and illegitimate? Ignore them.