If I had a large gambling website, who can I trust here?

[ironcross360]

give tradefortress a trust 

[keatonatron]

Incidentally, I just noticed the "Trust" thing, it's near our forum names on the left side, above the "Ignore". That's new huh.

Hey, wow, just today I was thinking this forum should have a built in trust indicator like OTC...
I'd like to think I would have noticed it eventually, but thanks for pointing it out 

[MPOE-PR]

Hi,

The question is: if I had a large gambling website or system or something, who can I trust here? Let's get to a specific example, let's pretend that I have the biggest raffle or lottery here, with jackpots and prizes amounting to hundreds or even thousands of bitcoins.

Nanotube, if you can get him. He correctly handled a hotly contested 10k BTC bet (the old pirate thing). That's your prime rib.

[KingOfSports]

+1 Dooglus for sure.

[dooglus]

Nanotube, if you can get him. He correctly handled a hotly contested 10k BTC bet (the old pirate thing). That's your prime rib.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=202063.msg2220162#msg2220162

I think that's the game we're talking about here...

[Dabs]

For game secrets and winner determination stuff:
1. dooglus
2. TradeFortress

For obits or whatever:
3. keatonatron

Anyone else? I don't want to bother nanotube (unless he posts here), and the above two people should be enough. I thought of asking JohnK, but won't include him if he doesn't post in this thread. He's busy with his escrows.

I have dooglus email and GPG key. I will PM Mr. TradeFortress for his email and GPG key. To be an obit volunteer, you need to give me an email address only. I will just compose a signed message, but it won't be encrypted. I will use the GPG key in my sig.

You won't get anything unless I disappear.

[dooglus]

If dooglus does not object, the list so far is as follows:

1. dooglus
2. TradeFortress
3. keatonatron = obituary on bitcointalk.org forum. (hehe)

What I don't know is if there should be a hierarchy or if I can send to both at once. Then you decide among the two of you who does whatever. The result is either, the winner gets his prize, or everyone gets refunded (which is going to be difficult if there are a lot of small outputs, ie, ticket price is 0.01)

I think it's simpler if you arrange to have the details sent to one of us first, and then the other a week later, in case the first one was hit by the same bus that hit you.

If you send to both of us at once, one of us can steal the money and claim the other stole it.  Not that I think that would happen, but why add extra possibilities for problems occurring.

[Dabs]

I think it's simpler if you arrange to have the details sent to one of us first, and then the other a week later, in case the first one was hit by the same bus that hit you.

If you send to both of us at once, one of us can steal the money and claim the other stole it.  Not that I think that would happen, but why add extra possibilities for problems occurring.

Noted. It might add a bit more complexity. I was planning on just using Google's Inactive Account Manager (comes with your gmail account, check it out.)

Besides, I'm dead (or in a coma or something.)

It can be done though. Involves me creating more google accounts, and setting them up, but the next one gets their email from me 3 months later.... 3, 6, 9, 12, 15, 18 months are the choices.

From my understanding, you'll get emails 3 months after my last log in. In 1 month, I, as the owner, gets a SMS message on my phone. For the next person, he'll get it 6 months later. Or 3 months after the first person.

The obit people will get their notices at the same time as the first one.

It will come out like this:

1. dooglus = gets email in 3 months with game info.
2. TradeFortress = gets similar email in 6 months with the same game info.
3. keatonatron = gets email in 3 months with death notice, to announce in forum.

Person 1, would have to take action before Person 2 gets their email, or you have the same problem: you'll have each other claiming the other stole or whatever. 3 months should be more than enough time. Person 3 is just a witness, so everyone else knows that Person 1 has to do something.

For purposes of my game, I will have to set this up before I announce the next round.

[dooglus]

Noted. It might add a bit more complexity. I was planning on just using Google's Inactive Account Manager (comes with your gmail account, check it out.)

Maybe http://www.deadmansswitch.net/ is more flexible?

[Dabs]

Maybe http://www.deadmansswitch.net/ is more flexible?

I actually had that in mind before Google announced their version. And there are a few more websites out there that do the same thing. I just think Google will stick around longer. I will use the free version of DMS first. After a few games (when my percentage of the prize funds can afford it) I'll go get a paid DMS (they accept bitcoin, yeah. hehe.)

I think I'll use both Google and DMS. People will just get two of the same email in case of my untimely demise.

[ranlo]

Couple things here:

1) I think you're awesome for taking the responsibility of ensuring there's a backup in case something happens to you!

2) Never heard of DMS before now. I've thought a lot about how to share things that I otherwise want private, when I pass (ex. hiding a paper/cd and hoping it's found). DMS seems like the perfect solution!

On that note... don't forget your "living wills," guys. I still haven't been able to fill out mine because the choices are hard, but it's something I think about a lot. You never know when something might happen, regardless of your health and age.

Edit: just realized some of you may not know what a living will is. It's a document that tells what happens in certain situations (regarding whether or not to "resuscitate," leave you on machines as a vegetable or pull the plug, etc.).

[dooglus]

I just think Google will stick around longer.

Google stick around, but their services don't.  I'm currently having to find a new RSS reader, since Google Reader is about to be shut down.  Google Wave went the same way, and Google Health, was it?  That disappeared too.

[ranlo]

I just think Google will stick around longer.

Google stick around, but their services don't.  I'm currently having to find a new RSS reader, since Google Reader is about to be shut down.  Google Wave went the same way, and Google Health, was it?  That disappeared too.

Google Wave was either for a very niche audience or wasn't planned properly. I had a beta invite for it and didn't even spend more than a couple minutes due to not really understanding what it was supposed to be or how it worked.

Surprised Reader is being shut down though... doesn't Chrome have one built in though?

[Dabs]

I'm quite sure this particular issue on Google's Inactive Accounts is going to stick around for a long time. I can't be 100% sure, but maybe they've had enough people within their own ranks who would like this feature.

I don't think gmail is going away soon. And when they do, I'm quite sure there will be an announcement longer than 3 months. Which, if I'm gone, then my game still has you (dooglus/TradeFortress) to send the prize. And Mr. keatonatron to tell everyone that he got an email.

I've done the same thing for my company since I'm a system administrator and hold all the passwords for all the bank accounts and the payroll system. If I should go without a backup, people won't get their salaries. (Or not on time anyway.)

[dooglus]

Google Wave was either for a very niche audience or wasn't planned properly. I had a beta invite for it and didn't even spend more than a couple minutes due to not really understanding what it was supposed to be or how it worked.

It was something between an instant messaging app and a collaborative document editor.  It kind of did what google docs does now in a way.

Surprised Reader is being shut down though... doesn't Chrome have one built in though?

I don't think so, no.

See http://googlereader.blogspot.ca/2013/03/powering-down-google-reader.html by the way for the announcement.

[Dabs]

See http://googlereader.blogspot.ca/2013/03/powering-down-google-reader.html by the way for the announcement.

To ensure a smooth transition, we’re providing a three-month sunset period so you have sufficient time to find an alternative feed-reading solution. If you want to retain your Reader data, including subscriptions, you can do so through Google Takeout.

My guess, they will provide a 3 month sunset period for all the dead people with inactive accounts, and anyone with any settings longer than 3 months will get the notice immediately.

[ranlo]

See http://googlereader.blogspot.ca/2013/03/powering-down-google-reader.html by the way for the announcement.

To ensure a smooth transition, we’re providing a three-month sunset period so you have sufficient time to find an alternative feed-reading solution. If you want to retain your Reader data, including subscriptions, you can do so through Google Takeout.

My guess, they will provide a 3 month sunset period for all the dead people with inactive accounts, and anyone with any settings longer than 3 months will get the notice immediately.

I have to admit, that comment made my day. I lol'd.

+1 intarneckz for you, sir.

[MPOE-PR]

+1 Dooglus for sure.

That also works, yes. He responsibly handled the wind down of WBX after the owner disappeared.

[keatonatron]

Guys, big news!

I was just informed by the automated system that Dabs is not dead, just sleeping 

[Dabs]

Ok. That was a test message, where I had to wait 1 day for notification (which I ignored on purpose) and 2 days for it to send the email to you.

The real message has been updated. It should send to you in 60 days from my last log in. hehehe.... At the same time, dooglus will also get the details of the game. Then TradeFortress will get the same details in 90 days from Google. (Everyone else will also get a duplicate message of the first message they receive.)

The free DMS allows only 2 messages, and the default time out period is 60 days.
Google Inactive allows up to 10 messages but the shortest time out period is 3 months.

All messages are signed and encrypted appropriately.

Yes, I know it's a bit long, but I'm working with the unpaid version for now.

Once the game picks up players and the operator share (me) earns enough bitcoins, I will pay for the dead man's switch, and hopefully I can set it to 2 weeks, so people aren't waiting too long.