BTCBET.CC – Bitcoin price BETTING every 5 minute

[btcbetcc]

The issue that I raised was not one of you guys being able to predict the price.

If you are betting on both sides you can go with profit since you get the commission fees either way. And you will win the amounts that other users are betting. Could be impossible to prove but that is what one user sent me with some tangible proof. I am yet to make up my mind about this as it feels a bit unjust towards you guys to make these accusations but it is what it is.

We even thought to open information of the usernames that bets, but we think that it is not so good idea. Most of our customers is satisfied and we improve the service everyday as most of our customers want.

[Hhampuz]

The issue that I raised was not one of you guys being able to predict the price.

If you are betting on both sides you can go with profit since you get the commission fees either way. And you will win the amounts that other users are betting. Could be impossible to prove but that is what one user sent me with some tangible proof. I am yet to make up my mind about this as it feels a bit unjust towards you guys to make these accusations but it is what it is.

We even thought to open information of the usernames that bets, but we think that it is not so good idea. Most of our customers is satisfied and we improve the service everyday as most of our customers want.

Again, I don't think you are actually responding to what I am saying. So let's just leave it at that and I will conduct my own investigation to find out what is really going on. Hopefully I won't find anything fishy, but right now it does stink aa little bit.

[btcbetcc]

Sounds like a good model for the operators, since there's no way for players to game the system (what do you do, bet against yourself? Still lose out on commissions).

I do want to clarify one item here though: You say that a 0.01 withdrawal will only result in 0.009 after site commission. This is a 10% commission... in addition to 5% of winnings. Sounds slightly exorbitant for me.

A better way would be to just charge a flat commission on winnings, with the entire winning amount sent back to the person who won immediately. You still make profit like this, no?

We are trying to avoid the situation when someone deposits and immediately withdraws without any commission, in this situation we loose commission for transactions, because we have hot wallets, cold wallets and reserve wallets as any other service.

BUT, we are now about to make non-commission-withdraw codes for users that are active, or something like that.

[Ramister]

There are lots of bots there which make bets at the last moment, my own bet sometimes up and down at once, the same was at btc-e, where guys get this idea from when btc-e closed. Many users here from btc-e betting.

[lostinheaven]

The issue that I raised was not one of you guys being able to predict the price.

If you are betting on both sides you can go with profit since you get the commission fees either way. And you will win the amounts that other users are betting. Could be impossible to prove but that is what one user sent me with some tangible proof. I am yet to make up my mind about this as it feels a bit unjust towards you guys to make these accusations but it is what it is.

We even thought to open information of the usernames that bets, but we think that it is not so good idea. Most of our customers is satisfied and we improve the service everyday as most of our customers want.

Again, I don't think you are actually responding to what I am saying. So let's just leave it at that and I will conduct my own investigation to find out what is really going on. Hopefully I won't find anything fishy, but right now it does stink aa little bit.

I was the one who sent this message to Hhampuz

"I've been analyzing the betting pattern itself, when it is placed till finish the 5mn period, which I've been doing for few days and few hours a day without betting no emotions in it and it seems that placing bets where's nothing to lose just wins are very profitable. If you imagine, placing a minimum "bet" on both sides, where you are the operator, the profits you will get? besides the withdraw fee and the %5 on profits...Users can profit from that as well but need to understand when to do it not in every bet as the operator can...I'm not saying they are doing it but just imagine this reality... Roll Eyes

I think they are always betting on both sides as they have nothing to lose and to catch the big fish. Just analyze the bets when happens the first and second one is always on both sides"

I've been following btcbet the answers to Hhampuz questions and never respond directly and avoid to respond if you are doing or not bets on both sides.

Now that the bots are on the game to me is even worst to be in this game, very small profits for high-risk trades, including your %5 in winnings and a withdrawing fee of 0.001. The main profits are for the operator and still mantain the question If you imagine, placing a minimum "bet" by a bot, at the moment the first bet is around 1m to the expiry the second on the other side it's like 30 seconds after, on both sides, where you are the operator, the profits you will get with 0 risk of losing? you don't manipulate the graph cause it is really from tradeview/ploniex if can be done on the bets!!! You don't make people lose the bets but if it is  a win it will be divided at least by 2, where I bet high risk 0.001 and you 0 risk and profit from the bet and plus %5 of my win. To be profitable here we have to have a %winlost ratio almost perfect or just luck in few betswhere you place a 0.001 or 0.002 in one side, where ther is 2 max 3 small entries and on the other one there is an amount of 0.03 and it goes in your favou...to much "ands" based on luck it's not for me...what it seemed interesting in the beginning already lost my interest...so Ill skip this one

[btcbetcc]

First time we are under attack! We will be online soon! Our twitter: https://twitter.com/btcbetcc

[Hhampuz]

The issue that I raised was not one of you guys being able to predict the price.

If you are betting on both sides you can go with profit since you get the commission fees either way. And you will win the amounts that other users are betting. Could be impossible to prove but that is what one user sent me with some tangible proof. I am yet to make up my mind about this as it feels a bit unjust towards you guys to make these accusations but it is what it is.

We even thought to open information of the usernames that bets, but we think that it is not so good idea. Most of our customers is satisfied and we improve the service everyday as most of our customers want.

Again, I don't think you are actually responding to what I am saying. So let's just leave it at that and I will conduct my own investigation to find out what is really going on. Hopefully I won't find anything fishy, but right now it does stink aa little bit.

I was the one who sent this message to Hhampuz

"I've been analyzing the betting pattern itself, when it is placed till finish the 5mn period, which I've been doing for few days and few hours a day without betting no emotions in it and it seems that placing bets where's nothing to lose just wins are very profitable. If you imagine, placing a minimum "bet" on both sides, where you are the operator, the profits you will get? besides the withdraw fee and the %5 on profits...Users can profit from that as well but need to understand when to do it not in every bet as the operator can...I'm not saying they are doing it but just imagine this reality... Roll Eyes

I think they are always betting on both sides as they have nothing to lose and to catch the big fish. Just analyze the bets when happens the first and second one is always on both sides"

I've been following btcbet the answers to Hhampuz questions and never respond directly and avoid to respond if you are doing or not bets on both sides.

Now that the bots are on the game to me is even worst to be in this game, very small profits for high-risk trades, including your %5 in winnings and a withdrawing fee of 0.001. The main profits are for the operator and still mantain the question If you imagine, placing a minimum "bet" by a bot, at the moment the first bet is around 1m to the expiry the second on the other side it's like 30 seconds after, on both sides, where you are the operator, the profits you will get with 0 risk of losing? you don't manipulate the graph cause it is really from tradeview/ploniex if can be done on the bets!!! You don't make people lose the bets but if it is  a win it will be divided at least by 2, where I bet high risk 0.001 and you 0 risk and profit from the bet and plus %5 of my win. To be profitable here we have to have a %winlost ratio almost perfect or just luck in few betswhere you place a 0.001 or 0.002 in one side, where ther is 2 max 3 small entries and on the other one there is an amount of 0.03 and it goes in your favou...to much "ands" based on luck it's not for me...what it seemed interesting in the beginning already lost my interest...so Ill skip this one

I believe that the only reasont hey are avoiding this and don't really want to address it is because there is some truth to it. Makes no sense to be why else they would act like this. As you can see above this post they just made a regular "we are under attack" post without taking any real not of what you wrote in the post prior to that. A real shame is what it is.

[btcbetcc]

As we understood, there is a lot of competition of gambling services. This is confirmed by the previous two posts from Hhampuz and lostinheaven. At first, unproved suspicions were brought against the administration of the btcbet.cc. Then allegedly an investigation. And now a hacker attack. Business is business, we are not offended.

For all our valued users, we are again ONLINE, we have changed the DNS, so there may be some delays.
We are ready to reflect any attacks as much as possible, some bets might be canceled or we will be unavailable for a while, but we are alive, your coins and our database are in the safe place.

Please, follow our twitter: https://twitter.com/btcbetcc

[Hhampuz]

As we understood, there is a lot of competition of gambling services. This is confirmed by the previous two posts from Hhampuz and lostinheaven. At first, unproved suspicions were brought against the administration of the btcbet.cc. Then allegedly an investigation. And now a hacker attack. Business is business, we are not offended.

For all our valued users, we are again ONLINE, we have changed the DNS, so there may be some delays.
We are ready to reflect any attacks as much as possible, some bets might be canceled or we will be unavailable for a while, but we are alive, your coins and our database are in the safe place.

Competition? You said yourselves that you are among the first to do this with BTC, no? So how would I be a competitor? If you can not even handle a simple question regarding suspicious things going on at your website that's not really at my fault. I have been around these forums for a while and I have built a reputation and as such I have to try and uphold some standards and point out wrongdoing if I see any.

[Yudhisthir]

As we understood, there is a lot of competition of gambling services. This is confirmed by the previous two posts from Hhampuz and lostinheaven. At first, unproved suspicions were brought against the administration of the btcbet.cc. Then allegedly an investigation. And now a hacker attack. Business is business, we are not offended.

For all our valued users, we are again ONLINE, we have changed the DNS, so there may be some delays.
We are ready to reflect any attacks as much as possible, some bets might be canceled or we will be unavailable for a while, but we are alive, your coins and our database are in the safe place.

Competition? You said yourselves that you are among the first to do this with BTC, no? So how would I be a competitor? If you can not even handle a simple question regarding suspicious things going on at your website that's not really at my fault. I have been around these forums for a while and I have built a reputation and as such I have to try and uphold some standards and point out wrongdoing if I see any.

He might be talking of gambling as a whole. Also there are plenty of bitcoin price binary options already in the market long before btcbet. It's the first one to use a PVP approach.

[Ramister]

As we understood, there is a lot of competition of gambling services. This is confirmed by the previous two posts from Hhampuz and lostinheaven. At first, unproved suspicions were brought against the administration of the btcbet.cc. Then allegedly an investigation. And now a hacker attack. Business is business, we are not offended.

For all our valued users, we are again ONLINE, we have changed the DNS, so there may be some delays.
We are ready to reflect any attacks as much as possible, some bets might be canceled or we will be unavailable for a while, but we are alive, your coins and our database are in the safe place.

Competition? You said yourselves that you are among the first to do this with BTC, no? So how would I be a competitor? If you can not even handle a simple question regarding suspicious things going on at your website that's not really at my fault. I have been around these forums for a while and I have built a reputation and as such I have to try and uphold some standards and point out wrongdoing if I see any.

It's not the first time I see you are trying to tarnish reputation of competitors while you are advertising the casino in your signature.

[Hhampuz]

As we understood, there is a lot of competition of gambling services. This is confirmed by the previous two posts from Hhampuz and lostinheaven. At first, unproved suspicions were brought against the administration of the btcbet.cc. Then allegedly an investigation. And now a hacker attack. Business is business, we are not offended.

For all our valued users, we are again ONLINE, we have changed the DNS, so there may be some delays.
We are ready to reflect any attacks as much as possible, some bets might be canceled or we will be unavailable for a while, but we are alive, your coins and our database are in the safe place.

Competition? You said yourselves that you are among the first to do this with BTC, no? So how would I be a competitor? If you can not even handle a simple question regarding suspicious things going on at your website that's not really at my fault. I have been around these forums for a while and I have built a reputation and as such I have to try and uphold some standards and point out wrongdoing if I see any.

It's not the first time I see you are trying to tarnish reputation of competitors while you are advertising the casino in your signature.

Please do point out where I have tried to tarnish the reputation of another gambling site without real points being made? Otherwise you are just talking out of your ass. And since btcbet is a completely different thing compared to fortunejack it's not really a competitor. Unless you are clueless when it comes to everything here in the world, lol.

[lostinheaven]

As we understood, there is a lot of competition of gambling services. This is confirmed by the previous two posts from Hhampuz and lostinheaven. At first, unproved suspicions were brought against the administration of the btcbet.cc. Then allegedly an investigation. And now a hacker attack. Business is business, we are not offended.

For all our valued users, we are again ONLINE, we have changed the DNS, so there may be some delays.
We are ready to reflect any attacks as much as possible, some bets might be canceled or we will be unavailable for a while, but we are alive, your coins and our database are in the safe place.

Competition? You said yourselves that you are among the first to do this with BTC, no? So how would I be a competitor? If you can not even handle a simple question regarding suspicious things going on at your website that's not really at my fault. I have been around these forums for a while and I have built a reputation and as such I have to try and uphold some standards and point out wrongdoing if I see any.

It's not the first time I see you are trying to tarnish reputation of competitors while you are advertising the casino in your signature.

Please do point out where I have tried to tarnish the reputation of another gambling site without real points being made? Otherwise you are just talking out of your ass. And since btcbet is a completely different thing compared to fortunejack it's not really a competitor. Unless you are clueless when it comes to everything here in the world, lol.

Hhampuz,

 In the beginning, I was really thinking of this one as an opportunity to invest BTC in bo, but as I started to analyze things up made me really doubt, unfortunately, cause there aren't many serious brokers accepting BTC .....

 Their just bullshit talking to keep their zero profit taking bets "business" ...lol

I'm glad I took my money out cause no one will make money expect them...
their funny answering simple questions..they won't cause they know that they are involved in short-term profit... and they talk about hack attack really funny, It's the false victim speech ...
I'm sorry about the people that still put the money on their fake, I don't want to say it is a scam, cause I could withdraw my money...But till when?

That's why I contact you as a reputable member cause me as newbie, and nothing to do with any other sites, no one would give importance....

Hhampuz, it's so easy just look at the bets and timing, of course, needs to invest some time...I'm a BO and forex investor and I like to watch the markets even I don't put money on it...

Carefull guys, this one is a red flag

[Neovitadi]

As we understood, there is a lot of competition of gambling services. This is confirmed by the previous two posts from Hhampuz and lostinheaven. At first, unproved suspicions were brought against the administration of the btcbet.cc. Then allegedly an investigation. And now a hacker attack. Business is business, we are not offended.

For all our valued users, we are again ONLINE, we have changed the DNS, so there may be some delays.
We are ready to reflect any attacks as much as possible, some bets might be canceled or we will be unavailable for a while, but we are alive, your coins and our database are in the safe place.

Please, follow our twitter: https://twitter.com/btcbetcc

BTCBET.CC, I admire your patience and endurance towards the competitors. At first I thought that you would make excuses, but I made a mistake. Keep on going! Everyone knows that only who is guilty trys to justify himself.

For several days I experienced by myself a strategy in which you are accused by some users here. As a result, there was a loss for these days, even if you do not consider commissions, it's still a loss, because other peopel thinks on wich way to bet, and this logic is not. And I gave up this strategy and returned to my profitable. So their charges are not consistent and I can prove this by my own example.

Well done, that you coped with the hacker attack and made a reliable defense. Now I'm with you seriously and hope for a long time.

I'm waiting for the referral program as you have promised.

P.S. It was scary on Saturday when the service did not work for a long time =)

[Logan12321]

Hmm maybe I'll just say that it is possible to find some good strategy. It would be great to have some possibility to reduce the commission - I made 100-200 bets and it is easy to compute that I spend more than 20$ on it in few days (more than my income this time ;p).

[veleten]

As we understood, there is a lot of competition of gambling services. This is confirmed by the previous two posts from Hhampuz and lostinheaven. At first, unproved suspicions were brought against the administration of the btcbet.cc. Then allegedly an investigation. And now a hacker attack. Business is business, we are not offended.

For all our valued users, we are again ONLINE, we have changed the DNS, so there may be some delays.
We are ready to reflect any attacks as much as possible, some bets might be canceled or we will be unavailable for a while, but we are alive, your coins and our database are in the safe place.

Competition? You said yourselves that you are among the first to do this with BTC, no? So how would I be a competitor? If you can not even handle a simple question regarding suspicious things going on at your website that's not really at my fault. I have been around these forums for a while and I have built a reputation and as such I have to try and uphold some standards and point out wrongdoing if I see any.

It's not the first time I see you are trying to tarnish reputation of competitors while you are advertising the casino in your signature.

Please do point out where I have tried to tarnish the reputation of another gambling site without real points being made? Otherwise you are just talking out of your ass. And since btcbet is a completely different thing compared to fortunejack it's not really a competitor. Unless you are clueless when it comes to everything here in the world, lol.

Hhampuz,

 In the beginning, I was really thinking of this one as an opportunity to invest BTC in bo, but as I started to analyze things up made me really doubt, unfortunately, cause there aren't many serious brokers accepting BTC .....

 Their just bullshit talking to keep their zero profit taking bets "business" ...lol

I'm glad I took my money out cause no one will make money expect them...
their funny answering simple questions..they won't cause they know that they are involved in short-term profit... and they talk about hack attack really funny, It's the false victim speech ...
I'm sorry about the people that still put the money on their fake, I don't want to say it is a scam, cause I could withdraw my money...But till when?

That's why I contact you as a reputable member cause me as newbie, and nothing to do with any other sites, no one would give importance....

Hhampuz, it's so easy just look at the bets and timing, of course, needs to invest some time...I'm a BO and forex investor and I like to watch the markets even I don't put money on it...

Carefull guys, this one is a red flag

hmm... have they run with someone's money?
I'm not sure what is going on between you guys,but hacks and DDOS attacks are pretty much a norm in this business
only the strongest survive,just look at the dice sites:even the top ones like primedice and bitsler are being attacked and taken offline for some period of time
so I would give them a benefit of the doubt,if you have any scam accusations against them,you can post in the scam accusation section
but just saying that they are playing the false victim card without any proof,it doesn't sound convincing,mate

[lmillert85]

I liked the concept. I'll give it a try!

[lostinheaven]

As we understood, there is a lot of competition of gambling services. This is confirmed by the previous two posts from Hhampuz and lostinheaven. At first, unproved suspicions were brought against the administration of the btcbet.cc. Then allegedly an investigation. And now a hacker attack. Business is business, we are not offended.

For all our valued users, we are again ONLINE, we have changed the DNS, so there may be some delays.
We are ready to reflect any attacks as much as possible, some bets might be canceled or we will be unavailable for a while, but we are alive, your coins and our database are in the safe place.

Competition? You said yourselves that you are among the first to do this with BTC, no? So how would I be a competitor? If you can not even handle a simple question regarding suspicious things going on at your website that's not really at my fault. I have been around these forums for a while and I have built a reputation and as such I have to try and uphold some standards and point out wrongdoing if I see any.

It's not the first time I see you are trying to tarnish reputation of competitors while you are advertising the casino in your signature.

Please do point out where I have tried to tarnish the reputation of another gambling site without real points being made? Otherwise you are just talking out of your ass. And since btcbet is a completely different thing compared to fortunejack it's not really a competitor. Unless you are clueless when it comes to everything here in the world, lol.

Hhampuz,

 In the beginning, I was really thinking of this one as an opportunity to invest BTC in bo, but as I started to analyze things up made me really doubt, unfortunately, cause there aren't many serious brokers accepting BTC .....

 Their just bullshit talking to keep their zero profit taking bets "business" ...lol

I'm glad I took my money out cause no one will make money expect them...
their funny answering simple questions..they won't cause they know that they are involved in short-term profit... and they talk about hack attack really funny, It's the false victim speech ...
I'm sorry about the people that still put the money on their fake, I don't want to say it is a scam, cause I could withdraw my money...But till when?

That's why I contact you as a reputable member cause me as newbie, and nothing to do with any other sites, no one would give importance....

Hhampuz, it's so easy just look at the bets and timing, of course, needs to invest some time...I'm a BO and forex investor and I like to watch the markets even I don't put money on it...

Carefull guys, this one is a red flag

hmm... have they run with someone's money?
I'm not sure what is going on between you guys,but hacks and DDOS attacks are pretty much a norm in this business
only the strongest survive,just look at the dice sites:even the top ones like primedice and bitsler are being attacked and taken offline for some period of time
so I would give them a benefit of the doubt,if you have any scam accusations against them,you can post in the scam accusation section
but just saying that they are playing the false victim card without any proof,it doesn't sound convincing,mate

1rst I don't promote any gambling sites...so no competition.

2nd I said I could withdraw my money and as I said they don't manipulate the price, they can't make you lose a bet, like a casino... but the winnings can be manipulated in favor of the operator, spread the winning profit with fake users and besides of that the  %5 profit in every winning bet. The odds are very favorable to the house.

3rd I didn't say Victim card but victim speech when they posted:
 "As we understood, there is a lot of competition for gambling services. This is confirmed by the previous two posts from Hhampuz and lostinheaven.
At first, unproved suspicions were brought against the administration of the btcbet.cc. Then allegedly an investigation. And now a hacker attack. Business is business, we are not offended". Never feel sorry for this guys... of course, we can't prove they are in control of everything, even we don't who was betting, even can be a false user... so it is impossible in this manners. One thing I'm sure, they are here to make money from us and from one day to another they will be gone with their profits, this is my own experience. They appear as humble disciples of the good, manipulate with their false good intentions and after disappear as Judas with no explanations. Don't go easy on them

4rth I have the right to ask questions if I put my money on their business and 2 questions that started to make me think twice was:

 When a user Logan12321 asked" btcbetcc do you also participate in betting sometimes?"
and after user buwaytress posted "Sounds like a good model for the operators, since there's no way for players to game the system (what do you do, bet against yourself? Still lose out on commissions).
I do want to clarify one item here though: You say that a 0.01 withdrawal will only result in 0.009 after site commission. This is a 10% commission... in addition to 5% of winnings. Sounds slightly exorbitant for me.
A better way would be to just charge a flat commission on winnings, with the entire winning amount sent back to the person who won immediately. You still make profit like this, no?"

As this questions never were addressed and after being analyzing the bets coming in for few a hours a day...I just thought and if they make opposite bets in every bet, the losing ones don't count cause they are the operator the winnings one can spread the profit into different players and they are there. I'm not saying they are doing it and it is impossible to prove it, it is one of the scenarios that anyone should pose before putting the money in.

As I see, at the moment, things can change and improve, this is a high risk, high fees no profit or just a few pennies and as they referred bots coming in a system based on opposite bets. Unfortunately, this is not for me but in the beginning, I was excited about it. I like the site design simple and very functional.

I hope I could clarify better my point and I wish good luck on this one

Ps: This is a bet where you can earn a good profit with a small amount but high probability to lose only happens in extreme conditions not often; to catch this one you have to be a robot who bets in every bet and in the opposite, and as someone said and I agree cause I tested, it is not profitable to bet on both sides, cause you will have to do it in every bet to catch these ones, so my question who was the user who bet down?In my opinion a visionary or the operator.

ID       Period           Base price          Last price      Count       Amounts
17606| 01:30–01:50 |4301.00000004 ↓↓4288.00000001| 5  ↑4  ↓1 |0.015  ↑0.013  ↓0.002| User bet down 0.002, and won 0.01435

@veleten when I posted my questions I invested small to test and after I did the hard job of analyzing the bets patterns and repetitions, what time they come in and for a period of time without investing.
My questions aren't based on what someone else says only or what it seems, I invite you to the same, play the game, analyze and then post your  2nd opinion about it, probably can be different from mine and I accept it. I'm not looking for perfection but for excellence I can be a newbie here but don't discredit just because of that...

[Logan12321]

I will say the last thing about the accusations towards them. I have spent a lot of time on analyzing data and possible strategies. Finally I discovered something which changed my mind completely. I won't tell you what is that (now it is a bit harder to see it, but still possible). Nevertheless, I decided to continue playing, but when I play with a bot my balance is 0 (no gain, no lose). If they reduce a commission or the minimum bet amount I will stay with them a bit longer. If nothing change I will try my luck few days more and probably resign. In my opinion it is possible to have (more less) constant income on this site, but it requires to be pretty smart.

[btcbetcc]

I will say the last thing about the accusations towards them. I have spent a lot of time on analyzing data and possible strategies. Finally I discovered something which changed my mind completely. I won't tell you what is that (now it is a bit harder to see it, but still possible). Nevertheless, I decided to continue playing, but when I play with a bot my balance is 0 (no gain, no lose). If they reduce a commission or the minimum bet amount I will stay with them a bit longer. If nothing change I will try my luck few days more and probably resign. In my opinion it is possible to have (more less) constant income on this site, but it requires to be pretty smart.

Within a few days, the referral program will be ready, users will be receiving 2.5% from each prize from the users they have brought. This is 50% of our commission.