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August 25, 2018, 12:36:36 PM
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 Hmmm....

The detection of planets in "habitable zones" is a far cry from habitable planets. But maybe 1/1000 of these would in fact be suitable.

So then the only problem is that it would take five million years to get there.

So you see, it is not possible for humans to find other habitable worlds. But it is possible for the evolutionary processes of life to be spread.

It is still possible since the astronauts already found a planet like earth. If they were able to make a device that can travel that fast  without carrying human beings then later on they will surely discover a new device that can travel as fast as the current device. Which can also load up humans.


Huh?

No, astronauts have not "already found a planet like earth."

no, nobody has made a device that travels that fast without carrying humans.
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August 25, 2018, 04:16:02 PM
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 Hmmm....

The detection of planets in "habitable zones" is a far cry from habitable planets. But maybe 1/1000 of these would in fact be suitable.

So then the only problem is that it would take five million years to get there.

So you see, it is not possible for humans to find other habitable worlds. But it is possible for the evolutionary processes of life to be spread.

It is still possible since the astronauts already found a planet like earth. If they were able to make a device that can travel that fast  without carrying human beings then later on they will surely discover a new device that can travel as fast as the current device. Which can also load up humans.


Huh?

No, astronauts have not "already found a planet like earth."

no, nobody has made a device that travels that fast without carrying humans.

In addition, when you do a detailed study on the requirements necessary for a planet to support life, you find that there are enough requirements, that the odds of finding another like Earth are very slim. Most studies on how many Earth-like planets might be out there in other galaxies, don't take into account all the factors found on Earth, that would be necessary for life. This means that we would have to take life-support along with us if we went. Expensive beyond anything the greedy wealthy would ever give up.

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August 25, 2018, 04:29:52 PM
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...This means that we would have to take life-support along with us if we went. Expensive beyond anything the greedy wealthy would ever give up.

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It's not a matter of taking life support for humans. It's a matter of taking life itself as we know it.

Most ideas on this involve dna-sequence libraries and machines to produce plants and animals from those, instead of actually hauling all the living things...

This is really the practical means of doing Mars and the Moon, not hauling all the stuff from Earth. So that puts those two projects into the 50-500 years category, not 10-20 years. So what.

Expensive beyond anything the greedy wealthy would ever give up.

More likely expensive beyond anything the greedy poor of socialist nations would want. They wouldn't want their monthly allotments of free stuff reduced to fund space missions.
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August 25, 2018, 04:39:56 PM
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...This means that we would have to take life-support along with us if we went. Expensive beyond anything the greedy wealthy would ever give up.

Cool

It's not a matter of taking life support for humans. It's a matter of taking life itself as we know it.

Most ideas on this involve dna-sequence libraries and machines to produce plants and animals from those, instead of actually hauling all the living things...

This is really the practical means of doing Mars and the Moon, not hauling all the stuff from Earth. So that puts those two projects into the 50-500 years category, not 10-20 years. So what.

Expensive beyond anything the greedy wealthy would ever give up.

More likely expensive beyond anything the greedy poor of socialist nations would want. They wouldn't want their monthly allotments of free stuff reduced to fund space missions.

I agree. Thank you.    Cool
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August 25, 2018, 05:44:07 PM
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We will colonise moon by 2035 with astronauts, then go to mars and build a base there. By 2100 there should be a colony both on mars and the moon. Too bad we wont be around to see it  Cry
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August 25, 2018, 07:38:17 PM
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Humans are really funny beings. We colonize each other and create so much evil. In the process, we keep plundering our lovely home, the Earth. At the same time, we keep pursuing other planets. We start off by saying it's all for the sake of knowledge. Then gradually we start thinking even about colonizing those planets. How about taking care of our own planet and getting the best of it first? Why are we so desperate about destroying everything we can reach for?
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August 25, 2018, 09:26:24 PM
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We colonize each other and create so much evil. In the process, we keep plundering our lovely home, the Earth. At the same time, we keep pursuing other planets.

Now you are talking about taxation... government theft from the rest of us.

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August 25, 2018, 09:30:53 PM
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Do you think humanity will ever create colonies on the other planets (not just couple of trained astronauts but a civilian population in a city or something similar) and depending on your opinion why not / where and when do you think they're likely to be created first?... also will the frontier of colonising be in our own solar system on Mars for example or on some exoplanet
Of course it will, once it will reach a sufficient level of development.
Due to nature of human species, expansion is the only way to evolve.

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August 25, 2018, 09:35:49 PM
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Do you think humanity will ever create colonies on the other planets (not just couple of trained astronauts but a civilian population in a city or something similar) and depending on your opinion why not / where and when do you think they're likely to be created first?... also will the frontier of colonising be in our own solar system on Mars for example or on some exoplanet
Of course it will, once it will reach a sufficient level of development.
Due to nature of human species, expansion is the only way to evolve.

The more we develop, the more wars we get. Wars destroy our chances to work together so that we can do some really great things like going to other planets.

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August 25, 2018, 09:39:29 PM
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We will colonise moon by 2035 with astronauts, then go to mars and build a base there. By 2100 there should be a colony both on mars and the moon. Too bad we wont be around to see it  Cry

That timeframe is totally believable.

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August 25, 2018, 10:02:21 PM
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Do you think humanity will ever create colonies on the other planets (not just couple of trained astronauts but a civilian population in a city or something similar) and depending on your opinion why not / where and when do you think they're likely to be created first?... also will the frontier of colonising be in our own solar system on Mars for example or on some exoplanet
Of course it will, once it will reach a sufficient level of development.
Due to nature of human species, expansion is the only way to evolve.

The more we develop, the more wars we get. Wars destroy our chances to work together so that we can do some really great things like going to other planets.

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Simplest way to stop wars on Earth is to create external enemy. That can be achieved by creating extraterrastrial colony, which then be allowed to proclaim its sovereignty.

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Do you think humanity will ever create colonies on the other planets (not just couple of trained astronauts but a civilian population in a city or something similar) and depending on your opinion why not / where and when do you think they're likely to be created first?... also will the frontier of colonising be in our own solar system on Mars for example or on some exoplanet
Of course it will, once it will reach a sufficient level of development.
Due to nature of human species, expansion is the only way to evolve.

The more we develop, the more wars we get. Wars destroy our chances to work together so that we can do some really great things like going to other planets.

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Simplest way to stop wars on Earth is to create external enemy. That can be achieved by creating extraterrastrial colony, which then be allowed to proclaim its sovereignty.

Sounds like the chicken and egg dilemma. A catch 22. Can't afford to colonize without stopping the wars. Can't stop the wars without an outside colony to threaten.

Have you been reading "Raiders from the Rings," by Alan E. Nourse?

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August 25, 2018, 11:03:04 PM
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Do you think humanity will ever create colonies on the other planets (not just couple of trained astronauts but a civilian population in a city or something similar) and depending on your opinion why not / where and when do you think they're likely to be created first?... also will the frontier of colonising be in our own solar system on Mars for example or on some exoplanet
Of course it will, once it will reach a sufficient level of development.
Due to nature of human species, expansion is the only way to evolve.

The more we develop, the more wars we get. Wars destroy our chances to work together so that we can do some really great things like going to other planets.

Cool
Simplest way to stop wars on Earth is to create external enemy. That can be achieved by creating extraterrastrial colony, which then be allowed to proclaim its sovereignty.

Sounds like the chicken and egg dilemma. A catch 22. Can't afford to colonize without stopping the wars. Can't stop the wars without an outside colony to threaten.
There is no dilemma as long as we do not speak about long term peace on Earth. Short-time absence of wars can be sufficient and this may be introduced through the dictatorship. As soon as there will be a interim global authority with dictatorship privileges, there will be a possibility to establish some extraterrastrial colonies. These colonies will provide the interim global authority with necessary resources, such as helium-3 supplies or whatever, but not for long. Once reached a certain level of integrity, colonies will proclaim themselves independent and this will eventually lead to either the fall of global authority or its transition into another form of state. But the local peace may be preserved and stabilized as the result.

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August 25, 2018, 11:12:51 PM
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Have you been reading "Raiders from the Rings," by Alan E. Nourse?
Honestly, I'm not really a fan of his work. I took a brief look only.
Maybe I'll read it eventually.

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August 26, 2018, 04:00:05 AM
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Huh?

No, astronauts have not "already found a planet like earth."

no, nobody has made a device that travels that fast without carrying humans.

Yup there is a planet , sorry for misunderstanding my statement what I actually mean is that they actually found a planet that can support human lives.
As I have said on the device, they already have been created a device that discovered the planet that I was saying. If they were able to do so then later on they can surely create a device that can travel that fast that also carries humans




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August 26, 2018, 04:08:47 AM
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Huh?

No, astronauts have not "already found a planet like earth."

no, nobody has made a device that travels that fast without carrying humans.

Yup there is a planet , sorry for misunderstanding my statement what I actually mean is that they actually found a planet that can support human lives.
As I have said on the device, they already have been created a device that discovered the planet that I was saying. If they were able to do so then later on they can surely create a device that can travel that fast that also carries humans

No they have not. I also saw news reports that misrepresented the actual scientific findings.

Huge progress has been made in determining planets that lie in the "habitable zone" of other star systems, and even inferring a bit about their overall chemical composition. That's not nearly enough to guess at whether they can support human life.

But here's the latest research, which is really mind boggling. They've got frikking thousands of candidate planets....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_potentially_habitable_exoplanets

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No they have not. I also saw news reports that misrepresented the actual scientific findings.

Huge progress has been made in determining planets that lie in the "habitable zone" of other star systems, and even inferring a bit about their overall chemical composition. That's not nearly enough to guess at whether they can support human life.

But here's the latest research, which is really mind boggling. They've got frikking thousands of candidate planets....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_potentially_habitable_exoplanets



I was actually talking about that potentials. If you do talk about potentials then that does mean as well right that those planets were listed really are capable of supporting human lives and of course the only thing we could actually do that is by progressing the research within the potential planets. I have seen another article about a new discovered planet that happens to have a little bit of similarity within the earths surface.

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/15/world/new-earth-size-exoplanet-life-potential/index.html


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August 27, 2018, 01:22:02 PM
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No they have not. I also saw news reports that misrepresented the actual scientific findings.

Huge progress has been made in determining planets that lie in the "habitable zone" of other star systems, and even inferring a bit about their overall chemical composition. That's not nearly enough to guess at whether they can support human life.

But here's the latest research, which is really mind boggling. They've got frikking thousands of candidate planets....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_potentially_habitable_exoplanets



I was actually talking about that potentials. If you do talk about potentials then that does mean as well right that those planets were listed really are capable of supporting human lives and of course the only thing we could actually do that is by progressing the research within the potential planets. I have seen another article about a new discovered planet that happens to have a little bit of similarity within the earths surface.

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/15/world/new-earth-size-exoplanet-life-potential/index.html

Again, the headline and the writing mis interprets the actual scientific findings.

It's a real stretch to think that anything orbiting a red dwarf could support life as we know it. But yeah, if you studied 1000 possibilities like this one, out of that 1000 there might be 1-10 that were "real possibilities."
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August 27, 2018, 02:10:58 PM
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Technologically we are far away from being capable of colonizing another planet. Yes, we may visit, we may even establish a small settlement there, but making it habitable or reaching one in the "Goldilocks" zone (habitable zone, not too far, not too close to a star) is not possible in the foreseeable future.
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Technologically we are far away from being capable of colonizing another planet. Yes, we may visit, we may even establish a small settlement there, but making it habitable or reaching one in the "Goldilocks" zone (habitable zone, not too far, not too close to a star) is not possible in the foreseeable future.
If one could glimpse into the future, it would be interesting what man accomplishes in space in the next thousand years.
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