Colonising Planets

[Spendulus]

...This means that we would have to take life-support along with us if we went. Expensive beyond anything the greedy wealthy would ever give up.

It's not a matter of taking life support for humans. It's a matter of taking life itself as we know it.

Most ideas on this involve dna-sequence libraries and machines to produce plants and animals from those, instead of actually hauling all the living things...

This is really the practical means of doing Mars and the Moon, not hauling all the stuff from Earth. So that puts those two projects into the 50-500 years category, not 10-20 years. So what.

Expensive beyond anything the greedy wealthy would ever give up.

More likely expensive beyond anything the greedy poor of socialist nations would want. They wouldn't want their monthly allotments of free stuff reduced to fund space missions.

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[BADecker]

...This means that we would have to take life-support along with us if we went. Expensive beyond anything the greedy wealthy would ever give up.

It's not a matter of taking life support for humans. It's a matter of taking life itself as we know it.

Most ideas on this involve dna-sequence libraries and machines to produce plants and animals from those, instead of actually hauling all the living things...

This is really the practical means of doing Mars and the Moon, not hauling all the stuff from Earth. So that puts those two projects into the 50-500 years category, not 10-20 years. So what.

Expensive beyond anything the greedy wealthy would ever give up.

More likely expensive beyond anything the greedy poor of socialist nations would want. They wouldn't want their monthly allotments of free stuff reduced to fund space missions.

I agree. Thank you.   

[LEMbo]

We will colonise moon by 2035 with astronauts, then go to mars and build a base there. By 2100 there should be a colony both on mars and the moon. Too bad we wont be around to see it 

[TallDragonfly]

Humans are really funny beings. We colonize each other and create so much evil. In the process, we keep plundering our lovely home, the Earth. At the same time, we keep pursuing other planets. We start off by saying it's all for the sake of knowledge. Then gradually we start thinking even about colonizing those planets. How about taking care of our own planet and getting the best of it first? Why are we so desperate about destroying everything we can reach for?

[BADecker]

We colonize each other and create so much evil. In the process, we keep plundering our lovely home, the Earth. At the same time, we keep pursuing other planets.

Now you are talking about taxation... government theft from the rest of us.

[Balthazar]

Do you think humanity will ever create colonies on the other planets (not just couple of trained astronauts but a civilian population in a city or something similar) and depending on your opinion why not / where and when do you think they're likely to be created first?... also will the frontier of colonising be in our own solar system on Mars for example or on some exoplanet

Of course it will, once it will reach a sufficient level of development.
Due to nature of human species, expansion is the only way to evolve.

[BADecker]

Do you think humanity will ever create colonies on the other planets (not just couple of trained astronauts but a civilian population in a city or something similar) and depending on your opinion why not / where and when do you think they're likely to be created first?... also will the frontier of colonising be in our own solar system on Mars for example or on some exoplanet

Of course it will, once it will reach a sufficient level of development.
Due to nature of human species, expansion is the only way to evolve.

The more we develop, the more wars we get. Wars destroy our chances to work together so that we can do some really great things like going to other planets.

[Spendulus]

We will colonise moon by 2035 with astronauts, then go to mars and build a base there. By 2100 there should be a colony both on mars and the moon. Too bad we wont be around to see it 

That timeframe is totally believable.

[Balthazar]

Do you think humanity will ever create colonies on the other planets (not just couple of trained astronauts but a civilian population in a city or something similar) and depending on your opinion why not / where and when do you think they're likely to be created first?... also will the frontier of colonising be in our own solar system on Mars for example or on some exoplanet

Of course it will, once it will reach a sufficient level of development.
Due to nature of human species, expansion is the only way to evolve.

The more we develop, the more wars we get. Wars destroy our chances to work together so that we can do some really great things like going to other planets.

Simplest way to stop wars on Earth is to create external enemy. That can be achieved by creating extraterrastrial colony, which then be allowed to proclaim its sovereignty.

[BADecker]

Do you think humanity will ever create colonies on the other planets (not just couple of trained astronauts but a civilian population in a city or something similar) and depending on your opinion why not / where and when do you think they're likely to be created first?... also will the frontier of colonising be in our own solar system on Mars for example or on some exoplanet

Of course it will, once it will reach a sufficient level of development.
Due to nature of human species, expansion is the only way to evolve.

The more we develop, the more wars we get. Wars destroy our chances to work together so that we can do some really great things like going to other planets.

Simplest way to stop wars on Earth is to create external enemy. That can be achieved by creating extraterrastrial colony, which then be allowed to proclaim its sovereignty.

Sounds like the chicken and egg dilemma. A catch 22. Can't afford to colonize without stopping the wars. Can't stop the wars without an outside colony to threaten.

Have you been reading "Raiders from the Rings," by Alan E. Nourse?

[Balthazar]

Do you think humanity will ever create colonies on the other planets (not just couple of trained astronauts but a civilian population in a city or something similar) and depending on your opinion why not / where and when do you think they're likely to be created first?... also will the frontier of colonising be in our own solar system on Mars for example or on some exoplanet

Of course it will, once it will reach a sufficient level of development.
Due to nature of human species, expansion is the only way to evolve.

The more we develop, the more wars we get. Wars destroy our chances to work together so that we can do some really great things like going to other planets.

Simplest way to stop wars on Earth is to create external enemy. That can be achieved by creating extraterrastrial colony, which then be allowed to proclaim its sovereignty.

Sounds like the chicken and egg dilemma. A catch 22. Can't afford to colonize without stopping the wars. Can't stop the wars without an outside colony to threaten.

There is no dilemma as long as we do not speak about long term peace on Earth. Short-time absence of wars can be sufficient and this may be introduced through the dictatorship. As soon as there will be a interim global authority with dictatorship privileges, there will be a possibility to establish some extraterrastrial colonies. These colonies will provide the interim global authority with necessary resources, such as helium-3 supplies or whatever, but not for long. Once reached a certain level of integrity, colonies will proclaim themselves independent and this will eventually lead to either the fall of global authority or its transition into another form of state. But the local peace may be preserved and stabilized as the result.

[Balthazar]

Have you been reading "Raiders from the Rings," by Alan E. Nourse?

Honestly, I'm not really a fan of his work. I took a brief look only.
Maybe I'll read it eventually.

[darklus123]

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No, astronauts have not "already found a planet like earth."

no, nobody has made a device that travels that fast without carrying humans.

Yup there is a planet , sorry for misunderstanding my statement what I actually mean is that they actually found a planet that can support human lives.
As I have said on the device, they already have been created a device that discovered the planet that I was saying. If they were able to do so then later on they can surely create a device that can travel that fast that also carries humans

[Spendulus]

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No, astronauts have not "already found a planet like earth."

no, nobody has made a device that travels that fast without carrying humans.

Yup there is a planet , sorry for misunderstanding my statement what I actually mean is that they actually found a planet that can support human lives.
As I have said on the device, they already have been created a device that discovered the planet that I was saying. If they were able to do so then later on they can surely create a device that can travel that fast that also carries humans

No they have not. I also saw news reports that misrepresented the actual scientific findings.

Huge progress has been made in determining planets that lie in the "habitable zone" of other star systems, and even inferring a bit about their overall chemical composition. That's not nearly enough to guess at whether they can support human life.

But here's the latest research, which is really mind boggling. They've got frikking thousands of candidate planets....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_potentially_habitable_exoplanets

[darklus123]

No they have not. I also saw news reports that misrepresented the actual scientific findings.

Huge progress has been made in determining planets that lie in the "habitable zone" of other star systems, and even inferring a bit about their overall chemical composition. That's not nearly enough to guess at whether they can support human life.

But here's the latest research, which is really mind boggling. They've got frikking thousands of candidate planets....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_potentially_habitable_exoplanets

I was actually talking about that potentials. If you do talk about potentials then that does mean as well right that those planets were listed really are capable of supporting human lives and of course the only thing we could actually do that is by progressing the research within the potential planets. I have seen another article about a new discovered planet that happens to have a little bit of similarity within the earths surface.

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/15/world/new-earth-size-exoplanet-life-potential/index.html

[Spendulus]

No they have not. I also saw news reports that misrepresented the actual scientific findings.

Huge progress has been made in determining planets that lie in the "habitable zone" of other star systems, and even inferring a bit about their overall chemical composition. That's not nearly enough to guess at whether they can support human life.

But here's the latest research, which is really mind boggling. They've got frikking thousands of candidate planets....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_potentially_habitable_exoplanets

I was actually talking about that potentials. If you do talk about potentials then that does mean as well right that those planets were listed really are capable of supporting human lives and of course the only thing we could actually do that is by progressing the research within the potential planets. I have seen another article about a new discovered planet that happens to have a little bit of similarity within the earths surface.

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/15/world/new-earth-size-exoplanet-life-potential/index.html

Again, the headline and the writing mis interprets the actual scientific findings.

It's a real stretch to think that anything orbiting a red dwarf could support life as we know it. But yeah, if you studied 1000 possibilities like this one, out of that 1000 there might be 1-10 that were "real possibilities."

[Jarvis Edge]

Technologically we are far away from being capable of colonizing another planet. Yes, we may visit, we may even establish a small settlement there, but making it habitable or reaching one in the "Goldilocks" zone (habitable zone, not too far, not too close to a star) is not possible in the foreseeable future.

[Spendulus]

Technologically we are far away from being capable of colonizing another planet. Yes, we may visit, we may even establish a small settlement there, but making it habitable or reaching one in the "Goldilocks" zone (habitable zone, not too far, not too close to a star) is not possible in the foreseeable future.

If one could glimpse into the future, it would be interesting what man accomplishes in space in the next thousand years.

[exemplaar]

Hint: they're the underside of frying pans

Bonus video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xAiYSwhHxw

[BADecker]

Technologically we are far away from being capable of colonizing another planet. Yes, we may visit, we may even establish a small settlement there, but making it habitable or reaching one in the "Goldilocks" zone (habitable zone, not too far, not too close to a star) is not possible in the foreseeable future.

If one could glimpse into the future, it would be interesting what man accomplishes in space in the next thousand years.

Mankind is warlike. What I mean is, the peaceful people who would never be warlike, are also sheeple, ready to listen to the doctrines of those who are forceful. The forceful people make the sheeple warlike, since force means war, and the sheeple are not even forward enough to adequately question the forceful people.

The only reason why people haven destroyed themselves already is, the Earth has been big enough, and easy enough to migrate across, so that some of the more clever sheeple got away from war.

Colonizing planets is so extremely difficult - as you have suggested here and there - that nobody will get away from war. We will either:
1. kill each other off to the point that we descend into the dark ages;
2. get saved and changed by Jesus.

There aren't enough odds that we will ever get to the point of being able to afford and manufacture what it takes to colonize other worlds. But, dreaming provides pleasure at times.