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July 27, 2018, 06:00:22 AM
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Did anyone paid the taxes on crypto. and what if it's not very big amount , then also do i need to pay the taxes( amount ranges in between 10k - 20k INR).??
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July 27, 2018, 03:06:10 PM
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Did anyone paid the taxes on crypto. and what if it's not very big amount , then also do i need to pay the taxes( amount ranges in between 10k - 20k INR).??

Depends on what tax bracket you fall in.
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August 12, 2018, 01:31:00 AM
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Here is a calculator if this can be of any help for someone.
https://cleartax.in/s/bitcoin-tax-calculator
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August 25, 2018, 10:26:18 PM
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bitcoin is not money according to the courts so ethereum is definitely not money and ethereum tokens are definitely definitely not money
Florida v Espinoza, No F14-2923 (11th Cir 2016)
https://www.coindesk.com/court-reject-bitcoin-money-florida-espinoza-trial/
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August 25, 2018, 10:32:28 PM
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Eisner V Macomber:

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/252/189/case.html

"The fundamental relation of "capital" to  "income" has been much discussed by economists, the former being likened  to the tree or the land, the latter to the fruit or the crop; the  former depicted as a reservoir supplied from springs, the latter as the  outlet stream, to be measured by its flow during a period of time.  For  the present purpose, we require only a clear definition of the term  "income,"   as used in common speech, in order to  determine its meaning in the amendment, and, having formed also a  correct judgment as to the nature of a stock dividend, we shall find it  easy to decide the matter at issue. After examining dictionaries in common use (Bouv. L.D.; Standard  Dict.; Webster's Internat. Dict.; Century Dict.), we find little to add  to the succinct definition adopted in two cases arising under the  Corporation Tax Act of 1909 (Stratton's Independence v. Howbert, 231 U. S. 399,  231 U. S. 415; Doyle v. Mitchell Bros. Co., 247 U. S. 179,  247 U. S. 185),  "Income may be defined as the gain derived from capital, from labor, or  from both combined," provided it be understood to include profit gained  through a sale or conversion of capital assets, to which it was applied  in the Doyle case, pp.  247 U. S. 183-185. Brief as it is, it indicates the characteristic and distinguishing  attribute of income essential for a correct solution of the present  controversy.  The government, although basing its argument upon the  definition as quoted, placed chief emphasis upon the word "gain," which  was extended to include a variety of meanings; while the significance of  the next three words was either overlooked or misconceived.  "Derived from capital;" "the gain derived from capital," etc.  Here, we have the essential matter:  not a gain accruing to capital; not a growth or increment of value in the investment; but a gain, a profit, something of exchangeable value, proceeding from the property, severed from the capital, however invested or employed, and coming in, being "derived" -- that is, received or drawn by the recipient (the taxpayer) for his separate use, benefit and disposal -- that is income derived from property.  Nothing else answers the description.  The same fundamental conception is clearly set forth in the Sixteenth Amendment -- "incomes, from whatever source derived"-- the essential thought being expressed with a conciseness and lucidity entirely in harmony with the form and style of the Constitution. "

 "It is manifest that the stock dividend in question cannot be reached by the Income Tax Act and could not, even  though Congress expressly declared it to be taxable as income, unless it  is in fact income."

 "Gibbons v. Mahon, 136 U. S. 549,  136 U. S. 559-560.  In short, the corporation is no poorer and the stockholder is no richer than they were before."

"And if, for the reasons thus expressed, such a  dividend is not to be regarded as "income" or "dividends" within the  meaning of the Act of 1913, we are unable to see how it can be brought  within the meaning of "incomes" in the Sixteenth Amendment, it being  very clear that Congress intended in that act to exert its power to the  extent permitted by the amendment."

"Just as we deem the legislative intent  manifest to tax the stockholder with respect to such accumulations only  if and when, and to the extent that, his interest in them comes to  fruition as income, that is, in dividends declared, so we can perceive  no constitutional obstacle that stands in the way of carrying out this  intent"

"[The 16th Amendment]  did not extend the taxing power to new  subjects, but merely removed the necessity which otherwise might exist  for an apportionment among the states of taxes laid on income.  Brushaber v. Union Pacific R. Co., 240 U. S. 1,  240 U. S. 17-19; Stanton v. Baltic Mining Co., 240 U. S. 103,  240 U. S. 112 et seq.; Peck & Co. v. Lowe, 247 U. S. 165,  247 U. S. 172-173. "

"In order, therefore, that the clauses cited  from Article I of the Constitution may have proper force and effect,  save only as modified by the amendment, and that the latter also may  have proper effect, it becomes essential to distinguish between what is  and what is not "income," as the term is there used, and to apply the  distinction, as cases arise, according to truth and substance, without  regard to form. Congress cannot by any definition it may adopt conclude  the matter, since it cannot by legislation alter the Constitution, from  which alone it derives its power to legislate, and within whose  limitations alone that power can be lawfully exercised."

 "We are clear that not only does a stock  dividend really take nothing from the property of the corporation and  add nothing to that of the shareholder, but that the antecedent  accumulation of profits evidenced thereby, while indicating that the  shareholder is the richer because of an increase of his capital, at the  same time shows he has not realized or received any income in the  transaction."

"It is equally true that, if he does sell, and  in doing so realizes a profit, such profit, like any other, is income,  and, so far as it may have arisen since the Sixteenth Amendment, is  taxable by Congress without apportionment."

 "Thus, the government contends that the tax "is  levied on income derived from corporate earnings," when in truth the  stockholder has "derived" nothing except paper certificates, which, so  far as they have any effect, deny him present participation in such  earnings.  It contends that the tax may be laid when earnings "are  received by the stockholder," whereas he has received none; that the  profits are "distributed by means of a stock dividend," although a stock  dividend distributes no profits; that, under the Act of 1916, "the tax  is on the stockholder's share in corporate earnings," when in truth a  stockholder has no such share, and receives none in a stock dividend;  that "the profits are segregated from his former capital, and he has a  separate certificate representing his invested profits or gains," "

"We cannot disregard the essential truth  disclosed, ignore the substantial difference between corporation and  stockholder, treat the entire organization as unreal, look upon  stockholders as partners when they are not such, treat them as having in  equity a right to a partition of the corporate assets when they have  none, and indulge the fiction that they have received and realized a  share of the profits of the company which in truth they have neither  received nor realized."

"Thus, from every point of view, we are brought  irresistibly to the conclusion that neither under the Sixteenth  Amendment nor otherwise has Congress power to tax without apportionment a  true stock dividend made lawfully and in good faith, or the accumulated  profits behind it, as income of the stockholder.  The Revenue Act of  1916, insofar as it imposes a tax upon the stockholder because of such  dividend, contravenes the provisions of Article I, § 2, cl. 3, and  Article I, § 9, cl. 4, of the Constitution, and to this extent is  invalid notwithstanding the Sixteenth Amendment."
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August 25, 2018, 10:36:20 PM
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as long as you honestly believe that you don't have to pay taxes and it's not based on some constitutional theory such as that the amendment allowing the government to collect taxes was not properly ratified then it is ok in court so if you honestly don't think you have to pay taxes on cryptocurrencies then you can argue that in court
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August 26, 2018, 04:41:20 AM
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here are people on a World of Warcraft forum having a serious discussion about paying taxes on WoW gold
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20742965783

here are some people talking about V Bucks and tax
https://www.reddit.com/r/FortNiteBR/comments/7lzaqv/do_vbucks_have_tax

here is an article that states a report from congress says you might owe taxes on WoW gold
https://www.engadget.com/2013/06/19/congressional-report-says-you-may-owe-taxes-on-your-wow-income/

here is a guy that sued a company for "making WoW less fun" by selling services from 3rd world countries
https://dockets.justia.com/docket/florida/flsdce/1:2007cv21403/296927

you don't have to pay taxes as long as you are under the impression that you didn't have to pay taxes and bitcoin is not money according to the court so altcoins definitely aren't money and tokens definitely definitely are not money
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August 27, 2018, 01:53:04 AM
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https://coinlaunch.market/

https://www.wandx.co/

https://www.blockex.com/

https://cointopia.com/

https://coinlist.co/

https://republic.co/crypto

https://www.tokensoft.io/

https://ico.indiegogo.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHrQ3l2tT78

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM0KkdQPyZw

https://eidoo.io/ico-engine/
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August 28, 2018, 05:51:19 PM
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@Tokenista  Wow fam, you really seem to have been deep into it! Some nice references there!
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August 31, 2018, 06:54:44 AM
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Stop quoting your own posts. It is considered spamming. People hate you more and it actually prevents people from visiting your site.
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September 02, 2018, 05:19:12 AM
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@Tokenista  Wow fam, you really seem to have been deep into it! Some nice references there!

yeah, I have been into Cryptocurrencies since like 2012, and I have been studying some legal stuff, so I always like to look at the cases and everything around this, and throughout all of it it has seemed so far that the best way to compare it is with digital currencies from video games, because you can actually go sell gold from video games

then from there you can start thinking of it for what it is, lines of code, comparable to a composed piece of music, which the creator (developer) has given all of us for free, so we did not have to pay him for it, and the fact that we are paying each other for it is, again, comparable to video game gold, so that is where the law really is so far, except for a few little things like the IRS claims that it is taxed on Capital Gains, but the IRS has never taken anyone to court for it

and the general law with taxes, regardless of its attachment to cryptocurrency, is that if you don't BELIEVE you have to pay taxes, and that belief is not based on some Constitutional theory, such as that the Tax Amendment was not properly ratified in the States, then you don't have to pay taxes. So as long as you can HONESTLY tell a Judge "I thought it was like a line of Code or a Lyric of Music, created by someone" then you don't have to pay taxes, and that is really where the law is right now anyways, the IRS is getting ahead of themselves
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September 02, 2018, 05:31:45 AM
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Metabello, that is the guy on my Instagram, he has a big Money Laundering case for Bitcoin
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/bitcoiner-faces-charges-after-selling-btc-undercover-cop/
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September 06, 2018, 02:24:47 PM
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Metabello, that is the guy on my Instagram, he has a big Money Laundering case for Bitcoin
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/bitcoiner-faces-charges-after-selling-btc-undercover-cop/

That is unrelated to India. This thread is specifically posted in Indian section for a reason.
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October 05, 2018, 05:03:38 AM
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Has Any one filed IT based on the Income from BTC?? I don't think so.. I feel GOI doesn't even have a mechanism to figure out the transactions of BTC with Banking system.  So i seriously don't feel that people will go ahead and do it.  Please throw some light on how any Govt can track it?
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December 03, 2018, 02:08:16 PM
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yes i am already recorded
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December 04, 2018, 12:59:44 PM
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Hi ,
as  i  have  noticed,  that  many  have  now  started actively purchasing  and  selling  Bitcoins  using  your  bank accounts. so now i will strongly  advise,  you  to  keep  records  of all  transactions  occurring  in  INR , weather  it is in  cash or online. These  are  necessary  when  you file  in your  returns next  year,and  the amount  you  pay  for tax. Remember  all  bank  transactions   will always  go through  the RBI  before   arriving  to the destination  account  so all  records  are  kept. and  Tax  envision is  a  serious  crime. So please  do  follow  the practice  of  proper  tax  payment.  

I  want all of  you  to  please  follow  the practice  of  paying  your  taxes and  following  the   Tax  laws  properly.  this  atleast, will  ensure  that  our  little  community  is  law  abiding  and  working  towards  the  progress  of a  free and  decentralized  community .





 
Thanks for your this advice, looking forward to pay all taxes on time and to keep all the records,Also thanks for making it easy to understand,
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Hi ,
as  i  have  noticed,  that  many  have  now  started actively purchasing  and  selling  Bitcoins  using  your  bank accounts. so now i will strongly  advise,  you  to  keep  records  of all  transactions  occurring  in  INR , weather  it is in  cash or online. These  are  necessary  when  you file  in your  returns next  year,and  the amount  you  pay  for tax. Remember  all  bank  transactions   will always  go through  the RBI  before   arriving  to the destination  account  so all  records  are  kept. and  Tax  envision is  a  serious  crime. So please  do  follow  the practice  of  proper  tax  payment.  

I  want all of  you  to  please  follow  the practice  of  paying  your  taxes and  following  the   Tax  laws  properly.  this  atleast, will  ensure  that  our  little  community  is  law  abiding  and  working  towards  the  progress  of a  free and  decentralized  community .





holycrap. all bank transactions do not go through RBI. RBI does not care. Government maintains database of high value transactions (>Rs10 lakh). Please do not spread false information.


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Hi ,
as  i  have  noticed,  that  many  have  now  started actively purchasing  and  selling  Bitcoins  using  your  bank accounts. so now i will strongly  advise,  you  to  keep  records  of all  transactions  occurring  in  INR , weather  it is in  cash or online. These  are  necessary  when  you file  in your  returns next  year,and  the amount  you  pay  for tax. Remember  all  bank  transactions   will always  go through  the RBI  before   arriving  to the destination  account  so all  records  are  kept. and  Tax  envision is  a  serious  crime. So please  do  follow  the practice  of  proper  tax  payment.  

I  want all of  you  to  please  follow  the practice  of  paying  your  taxes and  following  the   Tax  laws  properly.  this  atleast, will  ensure  that  our  little  community  is  law  abiding  and  working  towards  the  progress  of a  free and  decentralized  community .





holycrap. all bank transactions do not go through RBI. RBI does not care. Government maintains database of high value transactions (>Rs10 lakh). Please do not spread false information.


#HailSatoshi

Can anyone confirm this?

I think only high value transaction matters.
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September 26, 2019, 05:31:06 PM
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Following two threads discuss taxation of Crypto in depth. Feel free to participate.

i. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5142949.0

ii. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145589.0

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That's because the political parties have their own TV channels so they can control it all based on their needs.
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