Nvidia 1060 vs 1070 vs 1080 vs 1080Ti

[robl450]

I don't understand the hate for GTX1080.  I was planning on building some rigs with 1060's but it takes a lot of 1060's. The normal 1080 appears to be about twice as fast as the 1060 and while it is a bit more than twice the cost, you can use half of them.  12 gpu instead of 24 is a lot less hassle and a lot less complaining from the "boss".

[FFI2013]

Could someone tell me if the 1060/1070 mini's hashrate the same as the full size and do they run hotter because of the one fan or a lot hotter just looking to expand my Nvidia rigs thanks

[POD5]

Well, actually it's not a question of hate, but a question of maths.
How much electricity consumes your 1060's, 1070's, 1080's and your 1080Ti's, how much do they cost and
how many H/s or Sol/s do they generate? I also be apologist of the idea that overclocking a(ll) GPU(s) might
not be a good idea:

1 - Consider the higher temperature
2 - Consider the life cycle of the GPU under 24/7 high-temperature conditions


Finally:

I made an experience with someone that want to run a Mining Rig with 3 NVIDIA Gpus, 1060 EXOC, 120 W TDP
using a 1000W Corsair PSU, a ASROCK H81 BTC Pro, 8 GB RAM.
As he turned the Rig on, the electrical circuit went down, no functionality.
We repeated the experience at the kitchen, but were not successful:
The electrical circuit went down again, no functionality
Meanwhile he ordered a new 750 W PSU.

Are there some considerations that me and my friend are missing?

[QuintLeo]

1080 not TI is almost the same price as 1070ti in local stores. What do u think should I prefer for one small rig at home with 4 cards. What power block capacity would be enough for this?
thanks for answers.

I have to warn you that there is a problem with 1070ti with neoscrypt algo, the performance is really low - same as 1070 card, no boost
but if you will not mine coins on that algo - tale 1070ti, properly overclocked it will be only 5-10% slower gtx1080

 Heavy memory limited algorithm most likely, same as ETH where the 1070 ti ALSO has pretty much identical hashrate to the 1070.


 I don't hate the 1080 - I just have yet to see an algorithm where they are the most optimal choice.
 They're usually CLOSE to 1070 / 1070 ti / 1080ti on a hash/$ basis though - and details vary with the card and the SETTING you run the card at, sometimes they're VERY VERY close sometimes it's an easily noticeable difference.

My Zotac 1070 minis IME pushes the same hashrate as normal 1070 cards to a point, but tends to be a hair slower when pushed close to the max TDP of the Zotac since they run hotter and can't boost QUITE as high.
My Zotac 1070 ti mini MATCHES my EVGA SC 1070 ti cards when used at "max efficient" settings, I've not tried it at any other operating point.
My Gigabyte 1070 ITX cards (before most of them DIED) pushed very close on hashrate with anything else at the same settings but a HAIR slower.
My MSI Aero ITX_sized card was a hair slower than anything else at same settings, and had WORSE cooling than any other 1070 I have used (including an ASUS Turbo blower model).

Can't speak to 1060 cards as I don't own any.

[rawBits]

I also think 1080s can be the best option under not-so-special circumstances (price, performance, profit, power cost, power consumption, space saving...). Also if you check whattomine.com calculator page, it will tell you the profit is quite reasonable with this card. To match 3x1080 you would have to buy more expensive 4x1070. Sure, it varies, but in my case 1080 is a better fit, even if I expand to 6 card rig. The 1080ti is out of my financial capabilities though.

So, long story short bought 3x1080 on ebay recently. They were about 20% more expensive than 1070s, and easier to find.

As the rig is still being built I'll probably jam the cards directly on the gigabyte h110 d3a motherboard for the time being. Also waiting for the riser delivery. Cooling is not a problem, it's winter and my cellar is around 5-10°C at all times.

[klintistwood]

it all depends on how much you have to pay for the GPUs, I think that a GTX 1060 under 200€ is unbeatable. That's 24MH/s for 200€, that's "only" 8.33€ per MH/s. With a 1080, you will pay at least twice that price if you're lucky and you won't get twice more hash power.

[Undefined31415]

it all depends on how much you have to pay for the GPUs, I think that a GTX 1060 under 200€ is unbeatable. That's 24MH/s for 200€, that's "only" 8.33€ per MH/s. With a 1080, you will pay at least twice that price if you're lucky and you won't get twice more hash power.

If you buy a 1080 with the intent of mining ETH, you've already failed. Having that GDDR5X memory isn't all that great for ethash.

[QuintLeo]

it all depends on how much you have to pay for the GPUs, I think that a GTX 1060 under 200€ is unbeatable. That's 24MH/s for 200€, that's "only" 8.33€ per MH/s. With a 1080, you will pay at least twice that price if you're lucky and you won't get twice more hash power.

 You DO get close to twice or sometimes a hair MORE than twice if you don't insist on pointing a 1080 at an algorithm (ethhash) that is IS NOT WELL SUITED FOR.

 You can also get a TON better efficiency on some algorithms - ZEC in particular a 1060 (per ALL of the postings I've seen) struggles to hit more than 3 sol/watt while a 1080 easily hits 4.

 For ETH, the 1060 is a better option - but that's NOT the only option out there, and judging a card JUST on it's ETH performance is STUPID.

[jmigdlc99]

Given that you're already considering most of the NVIDIA GTX lineup, also consider looking into the 1050 TI. In my local cryptomining scene, where the 1060,1070,1080 are now rare or overpriced, people have now resorted to using 1050 TIs in sets of 13 GPU rigs. They do around 15 MH mining ETH and the 13 GPU rigs can do around 190-200 MH which is not bad once you consider the power consumption is low as well.

Has anyone here used 1050TIs as well?

[MarcusDe]

At this point, on both the 1070 ti and the 1080 ti my "go to" card is the EVGA SC version.

Agreed, but at $572USD for the 1070ti and $798USD for the 1080ti, I am forced to consider all other options.

In my country;

GTX 1060 3GB = $194 USD
GTX 1060 6GB = $281 USD
GTX 1070 = $417
GTX 1070ti = $505
GTX 1080 = $535
GTX 1080ti = $764
Vega 56 = $535
Vega 64 = $558

Not really liking any of those options for a new rig. Sadly the 3GB 1060 seems most attractive.

Lucky you!
In my country (now):
1060 3GB ~ 350$ (Palit)
1070TI ~ 800$ (Strix, NA - old price)
1080TI ~ 1180$ (cheapest overheating MSI Armor)

Rest of the list is NA everywhere even on less reasonable prices ATM :-/
I thought about getting new rig with 4x 1080ti, but 4700$ for cards only...

edit:
Even 1080 models are available only with water cooling, LOL.

[BennyT]

Depends on where you live and your power requirements.

An 8 x 1060 rig pulls about 800 watts from the wall so I can run two of those rigs in one outlet.
An 8 x 1070 rig is at around 1200 watts so you can only run one per outlet.

So for example if you only had two outlets available for rigs, you could run 4 x 1060 rigs or 2 x 1070 rigs. This is for my electrical setup.. you have to see how much power is available to your outlets and then do the math on what's cheaper.. more efficient.

[QuintLeo]

Depends on where you live and your power requirements.

An 8 x 1060 rig pulls about 800 watts from the wall so I can run two of those rigs in one outlet.
An 8 x 1070 rig is at around 1200 watts so you can only run one per outlet.

So for example if you only had two outlets available for rigs, you could run 4 x 1060 rigs or 2 x 1070 rigs. This is for my electrical setup.. you have to see how much power is available to your outlets and then do the math on what's cheaper.. more efficient.

 800 watts is EXCEEDING safe operating limits for a common 15 amp 117 VAC circuit that is running 24/7 if you are using 2 such rigs on that circuit.

 15 amps less 20% REQUIRED DERATE for 24/7 operation = 12 amps, 2 rigs is 6 amps per or 660-720 watts MAX depending on the actual voltage at your outlets.

 You can probably get away with it in the winter when temps are cold, but come summertime you WILL have issues and WILL be pushing temps to an unsafe level, especially if your breaker box is in an area that isn't air conditioned and VERY cool.

 8 cards per rig is also an uncommon number - 6 seems to be "the norm" as there are very few motherboards that will support 8 cards while those that support 6 are common.



 

[Mintycash]

I don't understand the hate for GTX1080.  I was planning on building some rigs with 1060's but it takes a lot of 1060's. The normal 1080 appears to be about twice as fast as the 1060 and while it is a bit more than twice the cost, you can use half of them.  12 gpu instead of 24 is a lot less hassle and a lot less complaining from the "boss".

Totally agree!

I have a GTX1080 which I got at the same price as a gtx1070 and I am doing 490-500 sol equihash with the power limit at 60% (Could do more if I rise the power limit). IMHO if you can get a 1080 at the right price is worth it.
Yes it has limitations mining ethash (same hashrate as 1060).
In another algorithm (can't remember if cryptonight or neoscript) is as good as a 1070. On everything else is superior to a 1070 where it should be.

On top of that, it has an amazing gaming performance and a very good resale price.

[2stout]

IMHO, based off of performance over a large range of algo's and future resale value- the 1080 ti.  Also, you can undervolt the 1080 ti if power consumption is a concern as this seems to work better to drop power consumption and maintain performance than the sliding meter.

[OsirisMiner]

Seems 1070 is best from the balance between Performance and Price.
Im wondering 1070 is worth to pay for tiny miner.
Now Im with 1060, for second card, 1060 6gb is affordable for beginner, but 1070 seems worth to invest for 2018mining. mmm...

[deksa]

What to go with for Equihash mining (at this moment):

1 x EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 GAMING, 11G-P4-6593-KR, 11GB GDDR5X, iCX Technology - 9 Thermal Sensors & RGB LED
760e

2 x GIGABYTE AORUS GeForce® GTX 1070 8GB GDDR5 256 bit, DVI-D, DisplayPort, HDMI
420e each = 840e both

[meru890]

if you would build a 8 - 13 gpu rig with nivida and low power consumption costs, would you go with the 1070 or 1080? Ti is out of budget, think it's not worth it when you work with so many cards. No card is in stock at all are overpriced, so not that much room. But if you would have to buy, 1070 or 1080 to go? And EVGA is still the best brand?

[BennyT]

Depends on where you live and your power requirements.

An 8 x 1060 rig pulls about 800 watts from the wall so I can run two of those rigs in one outlet.
An 8 x 1070 rig is at around 1200 watts so you can only run one per outlet.

So for example if you only had two outlets available for rigs, you could run 4 x 1060 rigs or 2 x 1070 rigs. This is for my electrical setup.. you have to see how much power is available to your outlets and then do the math on what's cheaper.. more efficient.

 800 watts is EXCEEDING safe operating limits for a common 15 amp 117 VAC circuit that is running 24/7 if you are using 2 such rigs on that circuit.

 15 amps less 20% REQUIRED DERATE for 24/7 operation = 12 amps, 2 rigs is 6 amps per or 660-720 watts MAX depending on the actual voltage at your outlets.

 You can probably get away with it in the winter when temps are cold, but come summertime you WILL have issues and WILL be pushing temps to an unsafe level, especially if your breaker box is in an area that isn't air conditioned and VERY cool.

 8 cards per rig is also an uncommon number - 6 seems to be "the norm" as there are very few motherboards that will support 8 cards while those that support 6 are common.
 

Sorry mate! The electrical can run 1800 Watts .. I push about 1550-1600 on it and it’s fine. Zero issues.

As far as running 6 cards being the norm. No way. Maybe it was the norm in 2014 but it’s a waste nowadays. I run 9 gpu’s on my boards. 7 pci slots and 2 off the m2 adapters. Why buy a 6 slot pci motherboard when you can buy a 7 + 2?

[QuintLeo]

Try reading the NEC sometime - the code REQUIRES a 20% derate for 24/7 operation for SAFETY reasons, and a 15 amp circuit is only legit at 1800 watts *IF* you are seeing 120 VAC OR MORE at the socket, which is bloody RARE.

You WILL have issues once the temps warm up, unless you keep the breaker box in an air-conditioned room - and you ARE pushing the wiring and the outlets THEMSELVES past safe operation conditions unless the outlets are NEMA 5-20 AND the wiring is sized for 20 amps or more (12 AWG).
You might have issues with the breakers even if they ARE air conditioned, as your rigs will soak a little more power when they get warmer.

Yes, you might get away with exceeding specs for a while - but when your place burns down due to overloading your circuits, you have only YOURSELF to blame.


M.2 to PCI-E slot adpapters have been widely reported to have issues - some get them to work, others never manage it.
They also add cost per slot, though I'm not sure how much or how little.

Also, motherboards that have 7 or more PCI-E slots tend to be EXPEN$IVE - adds significantly to the cost per GPU, and needing fewer CPUs and RAMS doesn't always add up to less expensive if you're paying $50-$100 MORE per motherboard.
You're also going to lose more hashrate for longer when a bigger rig goes down - might be enough to more than make up for any "cost per slot" savings IF ANY that a bigger rig MIGHT manage.

It's a tradeoff - I prefer the smaller rigs because they fit SAFELY into my infrastructure, your rigs are NOT a safe fit at 2 per 15 amp circuit.

[GuevenB]

1080 better