Moneyless Society

[Chillance]

In reality that would not work.
If everybody gets what he desires for free, then everybody just does what he wants to do.
But who does the things nobody wants to do? Like working in the channelization for example?
There are so many jobs people would rather not do, but these jobs are necessary to keep your society intact.
Money is the motivation for everybody to work.
And if somebody does not get the job he wants, he must take another one. To earn money, to lead a life.

Absolutely. Although, this could be a push to innovate and make robots to do the things we don't want to do.

[Mahanton]

If we give everyone what they want, then what's the meaning of life by that point? Let's assume, people can have what they wanted easily wherein there's no work required for them, the level of cooperation we have today will significantly reduce. People will never work unless it is on their best interest (non-monetary based interest) and consider the number of people doing their life choices based on money.

And thinking crimes will be reduced when you let people have what they want is short-term planning and it's kind of infant-minded. Humans will always find ways to harm each other one way or another, because on any society whether it is old or new there's always disagreements. And we did our best to settle this disagreements through the systems we have created. In my opinion, all we need is balance.

Meaning of life would be to live your life. Spend time with friends and family. Travel and see the world (for free of course). Meet new people. I think the lazyness nature of humans might be a problem yes. And, yes, there will always be crime, but if you could get everything you wanted, certain crimes would most likely disappear.

Equality wont really happen on this physical world and we cant really easily change the reality on which there are poor there are rich and for those people who do in the bottom would normally seek out things that would make them rich and i would say it wont really be an easy thing.For those people who had everything on this world specially on money for sure they would got bored and would seek out for somethings that would interest them and the thing you are saying here is giving into someone would really be an impossible stuff.

[Victorycoin]

If we give everyone what they want, then what's the meaning of life by that point? Let's assume, people can have what they wanted easily wherein there's no work required for them, the level of cooperation we have today will significantly reduce. People will never work unless it is on their best interest (non-monetary based interest) and consider the number of people doing their life choices based on money.

And thinking crimes will be reduced when you let people have what they want is short-term planning and it's kind of infant-minded. Humans will always find ways to harm each other one way or another, because on any society whether it is old or new there's always disagreements. And we did our best to settle this disagreements through the systems we have created. In my opinion, all we need is balance.

Meaning of life would be to live your life. Spend time with friends and family. Travel and see the world (for free of course). Meet new people. I think the lazyness nature of humans might be a problem yes. And, yes, there will always be crime, but if you could get everything you wanted, certain crimes would most likely disappear.

Can you wake up now and face reality? This is planet earth, where human wants are unlimited amidst limited means for satisfying them so you will never be able to give everyone what they want, no matter how hard anyone tries to. If as you fantasized all monies are destroyed, how would you fuel your cars, book your travel tickets or replenish your food stock when you run out of supply?

[Chillance]

If we give everyone what they want, then what's the meaning of life by that point? Let's assume, people can have what they wanted easily wherein there's no work required for them, the level of cooperation we have today will significantly reduce. People will never work unless it is on their best interest (non-monetary based interest) and consider the number of people doing their life choices based on money.

And thinking crimes will be reduced when you let people have what they want is short-term planning and it's kind of infant-minded. Humans will always find ways to harm each other one way or another, because on any society whether it is old or new there's always disagreements. And we did our best to settle this disagreements through the systems we have created. In my opinion, all we need is balance.

Meaning of life would be to live your life. Spend time with friends and family. Travel and see the world (for free of course). Meet new people. I think the lazyness nature of humans might be a problem yes. And, yes, there will always be crime, but if you could get everything you wanted, certain crimes would most likely disappear.

Can you wake up now and face reality? This is planet earth, where human wants are unlimited amist limited means for satisfying them so you will never be able to give everyone what they want no matter how hard anyone tries to. If as you fantasized all monies are destroyed, how would you fuel your cars, book your travel tickets or replenish your food stock when  you run out of supply?

It's a thought experiment where the idea is that you think about it from different perspectives. I'm either for or against this. It's about having a discussion about it.

[DoublerHunter]

Moneyless society is possible right now because there is a place in China where they just use their mobile phones to make payments and it is all successful and they feel very convenient with their mobile phones to make payments in different stores or places that they go and i think if they can do it then we can do it to with the power of bitcoin nothing is impossible.

[Mike Mayor]

Money is just something we have value to so we don't have to trade for everything. I trade you money for your chair you sell me then you take that money and buy a steak. The money can be anything it does not matter. It is used because it is easier to carry around. Without money you will need different things to trade and you hope the person who is buying from you wants it is you won't get the trade and that is where money comes in because everyone can use it to buy anything. So Bitcoin is just the upgrade of what we call money today. It's virtuall money.

[LodisMcguire]

Even if everyone get what they wanted by being rich,that's not mean there will be no problem,human desire is infinite
Let's say everyone in the world are rich,they can get anything in this world,by human nature,people will start desiring something that others don't have,we can't do anything about that

[micher143]

There were barter system in the past wherein people used to exchange one commodity for another one. After many centuries we have developed the money system for the better transaction (trading) and easy financial activities. There is a value of each and every thing, then its impossible to offer it for free; i don't agree with you.

Money or fiat is the system of transaction all through out the world so if we could dream for a moneyless system in terms of transaction the possible needs that should take place the money is the bitcoin. And as a form of crypto-currency it could be a better way in trading where its price depends on the stock of Bitcoin not just on the printed value like dollar or any other paper money.

[bajing]

There were barter system in the past wherein people used to exchange one commodity for another one. After many centuries we have developed the money system for the better transaction (trading) and easy financial activities. There is a value of each and every thing, then its impossible to offer it for free; i don't agree with you.

And i dont agree with you too, indeed for now there is a value for each thing or anything but you can still find or did barter with someone for certain items. most of it is done by antique collectors, because like he said "they are rich people who no not care about the value of the money." what they look is pride.

[jennywhzz]

There were barter system in the past wherein people used to exchange one commodity for another one. After many centuries we have developed the money system for the better transaction (trading) and easy financial activities. There is a value of each and every thing, then its impossible to offer it for free; i don't agree with you.

And i dont agree with you too, indeed for now there is a value for each thing or anything but you can still find or did barter with someone for certain items. most of it is done by antique collectors, because like he said "they are rich people who no not care about the value of the money." what they look is pride.

In Barter system there was no money involved. It was just things were traded with things. When you trade things with things, one may get benefit of high value thing traded with low value thing ,but then money came and solved this probelm. So how and why we are discussing to move towards moneyless society.

[aoluain]

switch to something like communism!
where the state provides you will all you need and nothing else :-)

The barter system worked at the time because you would barter
an item for something you "Needed" and the other party
"Needed" what you were bartering.

we are edging ever closer to a kind of money-less society or cashless
society anyway, I rarely use "Cash" anymore, its all online or plastic,
paying bills, transferring funds and buying goods with a card.

I believe the newer generations will pick up crypto quicker because of this.

[pitiflin]

Hi,

I wanted to run this by you and see what you say.

What if we scrapped money altogether and just gave everybody what they wanted?

I know it sounds ridiculous, and everybody would just go for 100 cars and 100 fancy houses, but if you think about it, if you could get everything you wanted, all those things wouldn't be as valuable anymore, and it would lose it's "richness" appeal and people would be bored by it after a while and just settle with what they actually needed. Don't we have all the technology and resources to make this happen? It could also mean less crimes would happen then too.

Sidenote: I love the idea of bitcoin so I don't really want to ruin bitcoin, but hey, maybe we could go there with bitcoin somehow...

Life aint that easy to get what you want bruh,you are not Cersei Lannister here.And what will you do after you get what you want? Sleep with women? Gamble? Drugs? No offense to anyone but common dude everyone earns money to get little satisfaction and then what ? And about the crimes that you mentioned ,it would be even difficult to figure out who the real criminal is and about the technology ,yes the world is developing but not at its very best. I know that everyone would love to be in their fastasy world but hey what can you do,none of us have the power to do so,otherwise it would have already been implemented by now.

[Chillance]

I'm just throwing this idea out there. It's nothing all that new, and there would still be laws and police around. I was just thinking that we have quite an abundance of "things" and resources which is what this is mostly about. If you want to sleep with women, then obviously that is up to you and the women. This is obviously nothing you will just get. But, if you want a car, there you go. Want to fly somewhere? There you go.

Oh, and gamble with money for things would then be pointless I suppose.

[Whosdaddy]

There were barter system in the past wherein people used to exchange one commodity for another one. After many centuries we have developed the money system for the better transaction (trading) and easy financial activities. There is a value of each and every thing, then its impossible to offer it for free; i don't agree with you.

And i dont agree with you too, indeed for now there is a value for each thing or anything but you can still find or did barter with someone for certain items. most of it is done by antique collectors, because like he said "they are rich people who no not care about the value of the money." what they look is pride.

In Barter system there was no money involved. It was just things were traded with things. When you trade things with things, one may get benefit of high value thing traded with low value thing ,but then money came and solved this probelm. So how and why we are discussing to move towards moneyless society.

OP is not here telling about the "No-Money" society.
He is thinking of the point of view that when all the fiat will be replaced by digital currency and when there will be no money, then it will be money less or rather paperless society and that is the scenario which will bring lots of complications as bitcoin involves internet and infrastructure to operate.

[NorrisK]

And who would make the products that will be handed out for free?

The reason you pay for products now is that it took a lot of manual labour to develop (either directly, or indirectly through RD or acquiring the raw materials).

If you solve the reason for different wages across different jobs, we are one step closer to this idea as every job was valued equally.

[laxinternational]

switch to something like communism!
where the state provides you will all you need and nothing else :-)

The barter system worked at the time because you would barter
an item for something you "Needed" and the other party
"Needed" what you were bartering.

we are edging ever closer to a kind of money-less society or cashless
society anyway, I rarely use "Cash" anymore, its all online or plastic,
paying bills, transferring funds and buying goods with a card.

I believe the newer generations will pick up crypto quicker because of this.

Hahaha communism doesn't provide anything for cashless or moneyless society. They only create a structure for slave labor where you don't have fun and social activities. There is no existing solution for cashless people now. Bitcoin maybe can solve this in the future.

[Drnice]

When you say everyone have what they want, that is not true. As a human being, the human wants are incertiable and are numerous, which means no matter what a person have, he still looks for more.

[MercuryProtocol]

Hi,

I wanted to run this by you and see what you say.

What if we scrapped money altogether and just gave everybody what they wanted?

I know it sounds ridiculous, and everybody would just go for 100 cars and 100 fancy houses, but if you think about it, if you could get everything you wanted, all those things wouldn't be as valuable anymore, and it would lose it's "richness" appeal and people would be bored by it after a while and just settle with what they actually needed. Don't we have all the technology and resources to make this happen? It could also mean less crimes would happen then too.

Sidenote: I love the idea of bitcoin so I don't really want to ruin bitcoin, but hey, maybe we could go there with bitcoin somehow...

If we stopped using money we'd put all of the elites out of business and would be out of their control

Sounds like a good plan

[soham]

Hi,

I wanted to run this by you and see what you say.

What if we scrapped money altogether and just gave everybody what they wanted?

I know it sounds ridiculous, and everybody would just go for 100 cars and 100 fancy houses, but if you think about it, if you could get everything you wanted, all those things wouldn't be as valuable anymore, and it would lose it's "richness" appeal and people would be bored by it after a while and just settle with what they actually needed. Don't we have all the technology and resources to make this happen? It could also mean less crimes would happen then too.

Sidenote: I love the idea of bitcoin so I don't really want to ruin bitcoin, but hey, maybe we could go there with bitcoin somehow...

You are pointing towards barter system which existed ages back, but that is not going to work in present times. because the world economy is so much dependent on paper money. Nowadays, everything needs to have a value otherwise, the economy will be clueless and shatters as a result. Investment will have not value and nothing will function as envisaged.

However, it is better to move towards a cashless society instead of moneyless society. IF people don't get desired value to its assets, unrest will increase and people will try to acquire things by force. So the crime rate will also increase a lot. Moneyless society doesn't have a good future, at least in my opinion.

[LeGaulois]

Hi,

I wanted to run this by you and see what you say.

What if we scrapped money altogether and just gave everybody what they wanted?

I know it sounds ridiculous, and everybody would just go for 100 cars and 100 fancy houses, but if you think about it, if you could get everything you wanted, all those things wouldn't be as valuable anymore, and it would lose it's "richness" appeal and people would be bored by it after a while and just settle with what they actually needed. Don't we have all the technology and resources to make this happen? It could also mean less crimes would happen then too.

Sidenote: I love the idea of bitcoin so I don't really want to ruin bitcoin, but hey, maybe we could go there with bitcoin somehow...

If we stopped using money we'd put all of the elites out of business and would be out of their control

Sounds like a good plan

Not really. In the old time, paper money didn't exist. People were just exchanging, sugar for potatoes, tomatoes for clothes, etc. The elite would need to take control of a few industries (if not already) to get the same garbage economy again. You can't cure cancer if you don't go to the root.