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May 27, 2013, 04:57:46 AM
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diff down a bit, great for mining now. Got some additional payment from the pool due to superblocks  Wink
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May 27, 2013, 05:13:54 AM
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So has anyone raised the question in this shitclone about what happens when pool operators decide to pretend they didn't mine a lucky block? Is mostly everyone using p2pool? AFAIK, pool operators can still effectively steal from its users. Or do pools now run on some kind of system that prevents that? I don't keep up with the numerous gibberish acronyms.
A good user-based pool will publish the amount of LKY each block yielded, and this can be verified in the block chain explorer. And in a P2Pool the minted coins are sent directly to your wallet in proportion to your share rate, so if a large block is found you get whatever percent of it you would normally get with a small block.

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May 27, 2013, 05:15:51 AM
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So has anyone raised the question in this shitclone about what happens when pool operators decide to pretend they didn't mine a lucky block? Is mostly everyone using p2pool? AFAIK, pool operators can still effectively steal from its users. Or do pools now run on some kind of system that prevents that? I don't keep up with the numerous gibberish acronyms.
A good user-based pool will publish the amount of LKY each block yielded, and this can be verified in the block chain explorer. And in a P2Pool the minted coins are sent directly to your wallet in proportion to your share rate, so if a large block is found you get whatever percent of it you would normally get with a small block.

this has been the most I have ever used a p2pool has been with this coin, and I love it no stupid usernames workers ect. just plug in and done haha.
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May 27, 2013, 05:19:42 AM
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So has anyone raised the question in this shitclone about what happens when pool operators decide to pretend they didn't mine a lucky block? Is mostly everyone using p2pool? AFAIK, pool operators can still effectively steal from its users. Or do pools now run on some kind of system that prevents that? I don't keep up with the numerous gibberish acronyms.
A good user-based pool will publish the amount of LKY each block yielded, and this can be verified in the block chain explorer. And in a P2Pool the minted coins are sent directly to your wallet in proportion to your share rate, so if a large block is found you get whatever percent of it you would normally get with a small block.

this has been the most I have ever used a p2pool has been with this coin, and I love it no stupid usernames workers ect. just plug in and done haha.
Yeah with all other coins I got a crazy amount of stales, but I've been using a LKY P2Pool where I get less stales than a normal stratum pool... It's a lot nicer not having to deal with an account and workers

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May 27, 2013, 05:24:04 AM
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A good user-based pool will publish the amount of LKY each block yielded, and this can be verified in the block chain explorer.

Whoopee, you can verify that it mined a block that it admitted mining. That wasn't my question.

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And in a P2Pool the minted coins are sent directly to your wallet in proportion to your share rate, so if a large block is found you get whatever percent of it you would normally get with a small block.

This is why I asked if people are mostly using p2pool nowadays. The bonus blocks are very convenient for pool operators to forget that they mined.

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May 27, 2013, 05:26:32 AM
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Yeah I believe so.  Much easier.  I love this coin.

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May 27, 2013, 05:33:48 AM
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A good user-based pool will publish the amount of LKY each block yielded, and this can be verified in the block chain explorer.
Whoopee, you can verify that it mined a block that it admitted mining. That wasn't my question.
Try reading what I said again. You can verify the amount of LKY minted with each block in the block chain explorer. How is that difficult to understand?

And in a P2Pool the minted coins are sent directly to your wallet in proportion to your share rate, so if a large block is found you get whatever percent of it you would normally get with a small block.
This is why I asked if people are mostly using p2pool nowadays. The bonus blocks are very convenient for pool operators to forget that they mined.
Again, you can verify the amount of LKY minted with each block to see if your pool operator is being honest. There are many other, easier ways a pool operator can rip off miners, not just with LKY but any coin. This is why its always important to join a pool you trust.

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May 27, 2013, 05:41:40 AM
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Try reading what I said again. You can verify the amount of LKY minted with each block in the block chain explorer. How is that difficult to understand?

How does this prove that a pool mined a lucky block and did not tell anyone?

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May 27, 2013, 05:47:36 AM
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Try reading what I said again. You can verify the amount of LKY minted with each block in the block chain explorer. How is that difficult to understand?

How does this prove that a pool mined a lucky block and did not tell anyone?

Are you brain damaged?

1. Pool mines a block.
2. You look up said block number to find out how much LKY was generated.
3. You compare that to what you got, taking into account how much of the block you should have gotten.

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May 27, 2013, 05:58:12 AM
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Are you brain damaged?

No, but my understanding of pool mechanics is probably higher than yours.

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1. Pool mines a block.

And if that block is lucky, operator does not award anything and continues on as if the pool has not mined a block. The incentive to do this with a lucky block is incredibly high because the odds of being found out when only doing this on a rare occasion are low. Unless pool systems have advanced to where each miner now has a piece of proof in the block, like p2pool. If they have not and still operate under the same conditions as pools have in the past, then a pool operator can get away with a huge payout with his worker bees none the wiser. But I don't keep up with pool technology because I couldn't care less about it, so it is possible that pools operate differently nowadays. So I raised the question as to whether or not this vulnerability with pools has been fixed, because luckycoin makes it very ripe for the exploitation if not.

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May 27, 2013, 06:11:17 AM
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Are you brain damaged?

No, but my understanding of pool mechanics is probably higher than yours.

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1. Pool mines a block.

And if that block is lucky, operator does not award anything and continues on as if the pool has not mined a block. The incentive to do this with a lucky block is incredibly high because the odds of being found out when only doing this on a rare occasion are low. Unless pool systems have advanced to where each miner now has a piece of proof in the block, like p2pool. If they have not and still operate under the same conditions as pools have in the past, then a pool operator can get away with a huge payout with his worker bees none the wiser. But I don't keep up with pool technology because I couldn't care less about it, so it is possible that pools operate differently nowadays. So I raised the question as to whether or not this vulnerability with pools has been fixed, because luckycoin makes it very ripe for the exploitation if not.

look at this p2pool
http://p2p.sytes.net:19335/static/

it publishes what is the block size and who gets what, no confusions there.

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May 27, 2013, 06:16:34 AM
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Etlase2 I see what you are saying, but it just wouldn't work. When you're mining for a normal pool, you're trying to mint a block with the pool operators wallet address, so all blocks any miner in that pool produces will have coins sent to that address. If you really feel that you're being cheated, again you can use the block chain explorer to search all published blocks with coins being sent to the pool operator's wallet. The pool operator can't just change the wallet address last second then publish it, as that would change the block hash. Secondly, this could happen with ANY coin. In fact, one would think a LTC or BTC pool operator would be more inclined to do so as a published block is worth $150 and $3250 respectively.

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May 27, 2013, 06:25:35 AM
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seems like a lot of  people are jumping ship, whats the point of mining a new coin for 30 hours and quitting?
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May 27, 2013, 06:33:08 AM
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look at this p2pool
http://p2p.sytes.net:19335/static/

it publishes what is the block size and who gets what, no confusions there.

Again, that is p2pool, and since everybody still isn't using p2pools for whatever reasons, there must be some benefit to not using p2pool.


Etlase2 I see what you are saying, but it just wouldn't work. When you're mining for a normal pool, you're trying to mint a block with the pool operators wallet address,

http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/10687/what-prevents-a-pool-miner-from-stealing-an-entire-block?lq=1

See the first answer. "To sum up - a miner does not know the coinbase transaction, nor can it change the block without invalidating it."

The miner who finds the winning hash will know that he found it, but he has no way of proving that the pool did anything malicious, and it could be considered fud.

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Secondly, this could happen with ANY coin. In fact, one would think a LTC or BTC pool operator would be more inclined to do so as a published block is worth $150 and $3250 respectively.

Yes it can, but as I have stated twice now, the incentive is significantly higher to do this only for a lucky block.

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May 27, 2013, 07:16:42 AM
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diff drop below 3, time to try some solo mining...
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May 27, 2013, 07:44:34 AM
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Are you brain damaged?

No, but my understanding of pool mechanics is probably higher than yours.

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1. Pool mines a block.

And if that block is lucky, operator does not award anything and continues on as if the pool has not mined a block. The incentive to do this with a lucky block is incredibly high because the odds of being found out when only doing this on a rare occasion are low. Unless pool systems have advanced to where each miner now has a piece of proof in the block, like p2pool. If they have not and still operate under the same conditions as pools have in the past, then a pool operator can get away with a huge payout with his worker bees none the wiser. But I don't keep up with pool technology because I couldn't care less about it, so it is possible that pools operate differently nowadays. So I raised the question as to whether or not this vulnerability with pools has been fixed, because luckycoin makes it very ripe for the exploitation if not.

And the guy who mined that block goes to the pool op and is like, "dawg, where's mah block?" And if the operator doesn't have a good answer, then it gets labeled a scammy pool.

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May 27, 2013, 09:00:11 AM
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Only p2pool you see clearly how the payout is done. Other pools you can only take a guess.

                                 
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May 27, 2013, 01:14:19 PM
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No, this pool is very good because you can the rewards of each block.

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May 27, 2013, 03:26:54 PM
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So, When Cryptsy\Btert\mcxNOX\...  add LKY ?  Undecided
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May 27, 2013, 05:05:56 PM
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So, When Cryptsy\Btert\mcxNOX\...  add LKY ?  Undecided
Hopefully soon...

                                 
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