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September 04, 2017, 10:51:39 AM
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http://www.pbc.gov.cn/goutongjiaoliu/113456/113469/3374222/index.html

The People's Bank of China Central Office of the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology Ministry of Industry and Commerce, Banking Regulatory Commission, China Insurance Regulatory Commission on the prevention of the risk of tokens issued financing
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Recently, the domestic through the issuance of tokens, including the first tokens (ICO) financing activities in large numbers, speculation prevails, suspected of engaging in illegal financial activities, seriously disrupted the economic and financial order. In accordance with the Law of the People's Bank of China, the Commercial Bank Law of the People's Republic of China, the Securities Law of the People's Republic of China, the People's Republic of China, the People's Republic of China, the People's Republic of China, the People's Republic of China, the People's Republic of China, the People's Republic of China, the People's Republic of China, the People's Republic of China, the People's Republic of China, The Republic of China Network Security Law, the People's Republic of China Telecommunications Ordinance, "illegal financial institutions and illegal financial business activities," and other laws and regulations, the relevant matters are as follows:
First, an accurate understanding of the essential properties of the custody financing activities
Toll coin financing refers to the financing of the main body through the token of illegal sale, circulation, to investors to raise Bitcoin, currency and other so-called "virtual currency" is essentially a non-approved illegal open financing behavior, suspected of illegal sale Tokens, illegal securities issuance and illegal fund-raising, financial fraud, pyramid schemes and other criminal activities. The relevant departments will closely monitor the dynamics, strengthen cooperation with the judicial departments and local governments, in accordance with the existing working mechanism, strict law enforcement, resolutely control the market chaos. Found suspected criminal problems, will be transferred to the judiciary.
The tokens or "virtual currency" used in coinage financing are not issued by the monetary authorities, do not have legal and monetary properties such as indemnity and coercion, do not have legal status equivalent to money, and can not and should not be circulated as a currency in the market use.
2. No organization or individual may engage in unauthorized custody financing activities
As of the date of this announcement, all types of currency issuance financing activities shall cease immediately. The organizations and individuals who have completed the financing of the tokens should make arrangements for repatriation and so on, reasonably protect the interests of investors and properly handle the risks. The relevant departments will seriously investigate and deal with non-stop tokens issued financing activities and the completion of the tokens issued financing projects in the illegal acts.
Third, strengthen the management of tokens financing trading platform
As at the date of this announcement, any so-called tokens financing trading platform shall not engage in the exchange of legal currency and tokens, "virtual currency", and may not be traded or sold as a central counterparty to sell tokens or "virtual currency" Not for the tokens or "virtual currency" to provide pricing, information services and other services.
For the existence of illegal problems on behalf of the coin-financing trading platform, the financial management department will be submitted to the telecommunications authorities in accordance with the law to close their website platform and mobile APP, to the network letter to the mobile APP in the application store to do the next frame disposal, and to the business administration Revoke its business license.
4. Financial institutions and non-bank payment institutions shall not carry out business related to tokens financing transactions
Financial institutions and non-bank payment agencies may not directly or indirectly provide financing and "virtual currency" to provide account opening, registration, trading, liquidation, settlement and other products or services, shall not be covered and tokens and "virtual currency" Of the insurance business or the tokens and "virtual currency" into the scope of insurance liability. Financial institutions and non-bank payment agencies found that the currency issuance of financing transactions illegal clues should be promptly reported to the relevant departments.
Fifth, the public should be highly alert to the risk of currency issuance financing and trading risks
There are multiple risks in the issuance of coins and transactions, including the risk of false assets, the risk of business failure and the risk of investment speculation. Investors are required to bear the risk of investment and hope that the majority of investors will be deceived.
The use of the "currency" of the various types of illegal financial activities, the public should strengthen the risk prevention awareness and recognition ability, timely reporting of relevant illegal clues.
Sixth, give full play to the role of industry organizations self-discipline
All kinds of financial industry organizations should do a good job of policy interpretation, and urge the member units to consciously resist the illegal financing activities related to the currency issuance financing transactions and the "virtual currency", away from the market chaos, strengthen investor education and jointly maintain the normal financial order.

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September 04, 2017, 01:55:36 PM
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Bir süre düserek yasal mevzuta sokup yada farklı bir yöntemle tekrar eski haline döner.
O kadar korkulacak bir sey oldugunu sanmıyorum sonucta foruma başlık acarak sirket kuruyor adamlar.
Bu btc ninde düşüşünü getirecek ama kalıcı olacağını sanmıyorum.

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September 04, 2017, 05:28:20 PM
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https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/04/chinese-icos-china-bans-fundraising-through-initial-coin-offerings-report-says.html

Yakında deniz sakinleşir ve herşey eski haline döner .

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September 04, 2017, 05:30:51 PM
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icoların yasaklanması nedeni ile bu düşüşün olması aslında birazda düşündürücü, hadi btc eth düştü, altcoinler niye düşüyor tuhaf

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September 04, 2017, 06:41:22 PM
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http://www.pbc.gov.cn/goutongjiaoliu/113456/113469/3374222/index.html

The People's Bank of China Central Office of the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology Ministry of Industry and Commerce, Banking Regulatory Commission, China Insurance Regulatory Commission on the prevention of the risk of tokens issued financing
Famous Da Zhong small   Source: Communication   2017-09-04 15:00:00
Print this page   Close window
Recently, the domestic through the issuance of tokens, including the first tokens (ICO) financing activities in large numbers, speculation prevails, suspected of engaging in illegal financial activities, seriously disrupted the economic and financial order. In accordance with the Law of the People's Bank of China, the Commercial Bank Law of the People's Republic of China, the Securities Law of the People's Republic of China, the People's Republic of China, the People's Republic of China, the People's Republic of China, the People's Republic of China, the People's Republic of China, the People's Republic of China, the People's Republic of China, the People's Republic of China, the People's Republic of China, The Republic of China Network Security Law, the People's Republic of China Telecommunications Ordinance, "illegal financial institutions and illegal financial business activities," and other laws and regulations, the relevant matters are as follows:
First, an accurate understanding of the essential properties of the custody financing activities
Toll coin financing refers to the financing of the main body through the token of illegal sale, circulation, to investors to raise Bitcoin, currency and other so-called "virtual currency" is essentially a non-approved illegal open financing behavior, suspected of illegal sale Tokens, illegal securities issuance and illegal fund-raising, financial fraud, pyramid schemes and other criminal activities. The relevant departments will closely monitor the dynamics, strengthen cooperation with the judicial departments and local governments, in accordance with the existing working mechanism, strict law enforcement, resolutely control the market chaos. Found suspected criminal problems, will be transferred to the judiciary.
The tokens or "virtual currency" used in coinage financing are not issued by the monetary authorities, do not have legal and monetary properties such as indemnity and coercion, do not have legal status equivalent to money, and can not and should not be circulated as a currency in the market use.
2. No organization or individual may engage in unauthorized custody financing activities
As of the date of this announcement, all types of currency issuance financing activities shall cease immediately. The organizations and individuals who have completed the financing of the tokens should make arrangements for repatriation and so on, reasonably protect the interests of investors and properly handle the risks. The relevant departments will seriously investigate and deal with non-stop tokens issued financing activities and the completion of the tokens issued financing projects in the illegal acts.
Third, strengthen the management of tokens financing trading platform
As at the date of this announcement, any so-called tokens financing trading platform shall not engage in the exchange of legal currency and tokens, "virtual currency", and may not be traded or sold as a central counterparty to sell tokens or "virtual currency" Not for the tokens or "virtual currency" to provide pricing, information services and other services.
For the existence of illegal problems on behalf of the coin-financing trading platform, the financial management department will be submitted to the telecommunications authorities in accordance with the law to close their website platform and mobile APP, to the network letter to the mobile APP in the application store to do the next frame disposal, and to the business administration Revoke its business license.
4. Financial institutions and non-bank payment institutions shall not carry out business related to tokens financing transactions
Financial institutions and non-bank payment agencies may not directly or indirectly provide financing and "virtual currency" to provide account opening, registration, trading, liquidation, settlement and other products or services, shall not be covered and tokens and "virtual currency" Of the insurance business or the tokens and "virtual currency" into the scope of insurance liability. Financial institutions and non-bank payment agencies found that the currency issuance of financing transactions illegal clues should be promptly reported to the relevant departments.
Fifth, the public should be highly alert to the risk of currency issuance financing and trading risks
There are multiple risks in the issuance of coins and transactions, including the risk of false assets, the risk of business failure and the risk of investment speculation. Investors are required to bear the risk of investment and hope that the majority of investors will be deceived.
The use of the "currency" of the various types of illegal financial activities, the public should strengthen the risk prevention awareness and recognition ability, timely reporting of relevant illegal clues.
Sixth, give full play to the role of industry organizations self-discipline
All kinds of financial industry organizations should do a good job of policy interpretation, and urge the member units to consciously resist the illegal financing activities related to the currency issuance financing transactions and the "virtual currency", away from the market chaos, strengthen investor education and jointly maintain the normal financial order.





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September 04, 2017, 06:57:49 PM
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http://www.pbc.gov.cn/goutongjiaoliu/113456/113469/3374222/index.html

The People's Bank of China Central Office of the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology Ministry of Industry and Commerce, Banking Regulatory Commission, China Insurance Regulatory Commission on the prevention of the risk of tokens issued financing
Famous Da Zhong small   Source: Communication   2017-09-04 15:00:00
Print this page   Close window
Recently, the domestic through the issuance of tokens, including the first tokens (ICO) financing activities in large numbers, speculation prevails, suspected of engaging in illegal financial activities, seriously disrupted the economic and financial order. In accordance with the Law of the People's Bank of China, the Commercial Bank Law of the People's Republic of China, the Securities Law of the People's Republic of China, the People's Republic of China, the People's Republic of China, the People's Republic of China, the People's Republic of China, the People's Republic of China, the People's Republic of China, the People's Republic of China, the People's Republic of China, the People's Republic of China, The Republic of China Network Security Law, the People's Republic of China Telecommunications Ordinance, "illegal financial institutions and illegal financial business activities," and other laws and regulations, the relevant matters are as follows:
First, an accurate understanding of the essential properties of the custody financing activities
Toll coin financing refers to the financing of the main body through the token of illegal sale, circulation, to investors to raise Bitcoin, currency and other so-called "virtual currency" is essentially a non-approved illegal open financing behavior, suspected of illegal sale Tokens, illegal securities issuance and illegal fund-raising, financial fraud, pyramid schemes and other criminal activities. The relevant departments will closely monitor the dynamics, strengthen cooperation with the judicial departments and local governments, in accordance with the existing working mechanism, strict law enforcement, resolutely control the market chaos. Found suspected criminal problems, will be transferred to the judiciary.
The tokens or "virtual currency" used in coinage financing are not issued by the monetary authorities, do not have legal and monetary properties such as indemnity and coercion, do not have legal status equivalent to money, and can not and should not be circulated as a currency in the market use.
2. No organization or individual may engage in unauthorized custody financing activities
As of the date of this announcement, all types of currency issuance financing activities shall cease immediately. The organizations and individuals who have completed the financing of the tokens should make arrangements for repatriation and so on, reasonably protect the interests of investors and properly handle the risks. The relevant departments will seriously investigate and deal with non-stop tokens issued financing activities and the completion of the tokens issued financing projects in the illegal acts.
Third, strengthen the management of tokens financing trading platform
As at the date of this announcement, any so-called tokens financing trading platform shall not engage in the exchange of legal currency and tokens, "virtual currency", and may not be traded or sold as a central counterparty to sell tokens or "virtual currency" Not for the tokens or "virtual currency" to provide pricing, information services and other services.
For the existence of illegal problems on behalf of the coin-financing trading platform, the financial management department will be submitted to the telecommunications authorities in accordance with the law to close their website platform and mobile APP, to the network letter to the mobile APP in the application store to do the next frame disposal, and to the business administration Revoke its business license.
4. Financial institutions and non-bank payment institutions shall not carry out business related to tokens financing transactions
Financial institutions and non-bank payment agencies may not directly or indirectly provide financing and "virtual currency" to provide account opening, registration, trading, liquidation, settlement and other products or services, shall not be covered and tokens and "virtual currency" Of the insurance business or the tokens and "virtual currency" into the scope of insurance liability. Financial institutions and non-bank payment agencies found that the currency issuance of financing transactions illegal clues should be promptly reported to the relevant departments.
Fifth, the public should be highly alert to the risk of currency issuance financing and trading risks
There are multiple risks in the issuance of coins and transactions, including the risk of false assets, the risk of business failure and the risk of investment speculation. Investors are required to bear the risk of investment and hope that the majority of investors will be deceived.
The use of the "currency" of the various types of illegal financial activities, the public should strengthen the risk prevention awareness and recognition ability, timely reporting of relevant illegal clues.
Sixth, give full play to the role of industry organizations self-discipline
All kinds of financial industry organizations should do a good job of policy interpretation, and urge the member units to consciously resist the illegal financing activities related to the currency issuance financing transactions and the "virtual currency", away from the market chaos, strengthen investor education and jointly maintain the normal financial order.





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goldmann öyle diyorsa oyle olabilir. cünkü piyasa her ne kadar desentral olsada para kimdeyse o yönetiyor.   sirf goldman öyle dedi diye millet habire satmaya baslarsa,düser. düserse iyi olur ben sahsen uzun vadeli dusindugum icin. ve ileride tekrar cikaca diye  bitcoin almaya devam ederdim.  artik kisa sürede zenginlik hayalleri yerine uyun vadeli emeklilik sigortasi olarak bakiom bunlara. dige türlü riskler büyük

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September 04, 2017, 07:31:45 PM
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Çinlilere pek güvenemiyorum. Bana kasıtlı olarak btc piyasasında düşüş yaptırdılar gibi geliyor. Icoların çoğunu iptal etmişler. Bu işte bir iş var ama yakında çıkar kokusu.

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Icolari iptal eden cin piyasanin anasini aglatti. Boyle bir tabloyu bir daha goremezsiniz beyler. Ortalik kan golune dondu resmen.  Heryer kirmizi. Hemen nakite gecmekte fayda var.


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Çinlilere pek güvenemiyorum. Bana kasıtlı olarak btc piyasasında düşüş yaptırdılar gibi geliyor. Icoların çoğunu iptal etmişler. Bu işte bir iş var ama yakında çıkar kokusu.

Hocam ne gibi bir çıkarları olabilirki çinlilerin bu işten zaten piyasaya yeterince hakim değiller mi  Huh Bana göre piyasa çok büyüdüğü için kontrol edememeye başladılar artık,buna bir önlem alana kadar geçici bir şekilde yasakladılar.

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September 05, 2017, 06:45:14 AM
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herşeye çin mi sahip nasıl bir iştir arkadaş bunun arkasında birtek çin değil çinle beraber korede va rbence sonuçta dolar da bir yandan kıpırdandı

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September 05, 2017, 07:11:29 AM
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Merhabalar,
Belki haddim değil, çünkü daha çok yeniyim ama diğer finansal piyalarda edindiğim gözlemlere göre hiçbir şey sürekli yükselmez veya düşmez. Ben bu düşüşü ara bir nefes alma olarak sağlıklı görüyorum.
Ayrıca bence gelecekte bitcoin ve türev paralar ile blockchain teknolojisine karşı hiç bir otoritenin direnemeyeceği fakat yasal bir çerçeve içerisi oturtulması çalışmalarının yapılmak durumunda kalacağını düşünmekteyim.

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September 05, 2017, 07:49:15 AM
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bunu nasıl yasallaştıracaksın ki? hadi yasallaştı nasıl takipi gerçekleştireceksin.

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Forumda bir konu açıp şirket açıyorlardı,bunun önüne geçmek için Çin hükümetinden bir hamle geldiğini düşünüyorum.Yasal bir düzenleme yaptıktan sonra yasağı kaldıracaklarını düşünüyorum.

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September 05, 2017, 11:12:41 AM
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Şu anki durumda otoritelerin en büyük sıkıntısı blockchain üzerindeki nakit akışını kontrol edememeleri, yasal olmayan yerlere kullanım şüphesi ve VERGİLENDİREMEMELERİ. Fakat bu teknoloji ve yaptıkları karşısında hayret içerisindeler ve karşı duramıyorlar. Ben bu iş nasıl yasal kılıfa bürünür bilemem fakat düşüncem elbet bir gün bu teknolojiyi takip edilebilir bir duruma sokabilecek alternatifler geliştireceklerini düşünmekteyim.
Çünkü insanoğlunun yapamayacağı bir şey olamayacağını düşünüyorum. Daha yeni facebookun geliştirdiği iki yapay zekanın iletişime geçerek, kendi aralarında yeni bir dil geliştirerek konuşmaya başlamaları ve bu durumu İngilizcenin yetersizliği olarak açıklamaları hayret vericidir.

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September 05, 2017, 12:33:55 PM
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Bana göre çin in bu hareketinin sebebi çok fazla yeni coin çıkmasının önüne geçmek. Bana mantıklı geliyor bu hareket bu sayede coin sayısı daha da fazla artmayacak ve ico su tamamlandığı gibi parayı alıp gidenleri ortadan kaldıracaktır. Bence altcoinlerden güvendiğiniz varsa 3 4 tanesine yatırım yapın ve bu düşüşün geçmesini bekleyin göreceksiniz bu sabırlı hareket uzun vadede sizin yüzünüzü güldürecektir.

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September 05, 2017, 01:51:45 PM
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Bana göre çin in bu hareketinin sebebi çok fazla yeni coin çıkmasının önüne geçmek. Bana mantıklı geliyor bu hareket bu sayede coin sayısı daha da fazla artmayacak ve ico su tamamlandığı gibi parayı alıp gidenleri ortadan kaldıracaktır. Bence altcoinlerden güvendiğiniz varsa 3 4 tanesine yatırım yapın ve bu düşüşün geçmesini bekleyin göreceksiniz bu sabırlı hareket uzun vadede sizin yüzünüzü güldürecektir.

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September 05, 2017, 04:15:34 PM
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Anlamadığım şey altcoinlerin hepsi düşüşde poloniexde v.b borsalarda birkaçtane yükselen var diğer hepsi düşüşde

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Çiden bize ne arkadaş ya , biz yolumuza bakalım.Btc Hodl !
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Yasalaşan bir şey var mı ortada kesinleşen, yasağı nasıl kontrol edebilirler. Amerika'da da var benzer durumda katılmadıkları ICO yok gibi bazı durumlarda engellenebiliyor onun haricinde önünü alamazlar.


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September 05, 2017, 08:25:57 PM
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Kriptoparalar 'sahipsiz ve yetim'dir. Yani onun en büyük özelliği olan merkezsizlik, maalesef hem en güçlü hem de en zayıf yanı... Arkasında dayanak olacak bir devlet, bir otorite olmayınca af buyurun "Her hıyarım var diyene eline tuz alıp koşabiliyor" ya da rüzgarda söğüt gibi yerlere kadar eğilebiliyor. Muhakkak ki değerini belirleyen teknik ve ekonomik bir zemine sahip ancak hepimiz kabul etmeliyiz ki 1 BTC=5.000 USD(beşbin dolar) ya da 1 BTC=10.000 USD(onbin dolar) gibi telaffuzların yan yana, aynı cümle içinde kullanılabiliyor olması bile kriptoparaların ne kadar spekülatif olduğunun bir kanıtı değil mi? Arkadaşlar 2 BTC ile ülkemizde bile "eh" de olsa bir araç sahibi olunabilir. Araba, araba.. 2. El araç pazarında düşünsenize... 1,8 TDI VW 2008 model 1,8 BTC (rakamları salladım kimse ucuzdu pahalıydıya girmesin Cheesy)
Dolayısıyla belki yasaklarla önüne geçilemez, durdurulamaz ancak, abd, avrupa birliği, Rusya, Çin gibi otoritelerden, devasa yatırım bankalarından gelecek "illegal, yasal değil" açıklamaları, yürürlüğe konacak yeni yasalar öldüremese de süründürür.
Hepimiz BTC (decentralized) merkezsiz diye düşünüyoruz ancak hala bu ekosisteme girebilmek için bile otoritelerin yasalarla düzenlediği bankacılık sistemine bağımlıyız. Bankaların hesaplarımıza yapacağı blokajlara mahkumuz ve sizlerin de bildiği diğer sıkıntılara... Ben aranızda daha yeni sayılırım, belki de bu konularda laf söylemek en son bana düşer, ancak bu otoriteler koyacakları yasaklarla teknik olarak asla engelleyemeseler de kriptoparaların spekülatif değeri üzerinde bence hala en öncelikli etkenlerdir. Daha kafadan bankaların ağzının içine bakmak zorunda kalıyoruz!
Şöyle bir başlık düşünün(Örnek Olarak!!!Kimse paniğe kapılmasın!): "avrupa birliği'de abd, Rusya ve Çin'den sonra BTC'yi ödemelerde yasadışı kabul edeceğini açıkladı!" Böyle bir başlıktan sonra tüm bankalar ardı ardına ilgili tüm işlemlere kısıtlama getirdiğinde BTCnin (bence) harika felsefesi ve ne kadar mükemmel tasarlanmış olursa olsun teknik altyapısı "Sokak Yazı Sanatı" gibi marjinal bir boyuta indirgenebilir. Çok güzel ancak seyirlik, işlevsel değil.
Ancak tabii, yasa koyucuların da nesil değişimi ile birlikte uzun vadede gelecek taban baskısına karşı koyabilme gücü sınırlıdır. Bence değişmeden kalacak en büyük engel; her zaman ülke yönetimlerinin kriptoparalara "Ülke çıkarları açısından" bakması olacaktır. Yeni akım Teknoloji ve yeni akım Para, ikisi birarada... Tehlikeli bir karışım...
Ayrıca ekonomi değilse de finans piyasaları spekülasyonsuz yapamaz, çalışamaz. O yüzden bizim yetim kriptoparaların 'başı bitten gözü çöpten' Grin kurtulmaz gibi geliyor bana.
Hatamız varsa cahilliktendir, ukalalıktan değil, affola...

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Not: Biliyorum abd ve avrupa birliği doğru yazılmamış, ancak şahsi gıcığım var sevmiyorum! diyelim, okuyucu arkadaşlardan özür dilerim.
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