BetKing.io - BKB token REFUNDS - $70k refunded so far

[ardyology]

Latest updates:
- deposit bonus back with 100x wager requirement (0 edge)
- fixed highroller notification message in chat
- fixed error on withdrawal if address had space characters
- dicesites link on provably fair page fixed
- bot resets to base by default on win/loss (was martingale strat before)
- fixed wd email confirm bug
- a few admin tools you won't see

Amazing work there sir. Keep it up!

[Sergei.Gerasimenko]

Etherscan doesn't see BKB token. Why is it so?

[iluvbitcoins]

Goodmorning

I took part of the ICO, and i need my credentials to get access to betking website, can you help me?

Tokens will be distributed in the next days?

It's the same information for your BetKing account, if you can't remember the data you used, try using the forgot password option
In the future use a password manager

[dooglus]

The bonus was 1 per user an you tried to scam for many Bitcoin.

The terms for the bonus were very unclear:

Bonus terms:
[...]
Bonus can only be claimed once
[...]

Is that once per account? Or once per person? Or once per computer? Or once per household? Or once per IP address? Or something else?

You said "bonus can only be claimed once", and despite me asking twice for clarification as to what that was meant to mean you never provided the requested clarification.

I think the most obvious interpretation would be "once per account", since the site wouldn't let me claim twice on the same account, but would let me claim twice on the same computer, from the same household. I don't think it's fair to withhold funds from players who misinterpreted your incredibly vague terms.

It's also very rude of you to call this player a scammer. He wasn't scamming you. He was playing within the stated rules. If you offer stupid exploitable bonuses please don't blame anyone but yourself when people inevitably try to exploit them. Promising a bonus and then refusing to pay it makes you the scammer, not the people trying to claim the bonus.

[adaseb]

The bonus was 1 per user an you tried to scam for many Bitcoin.

The terms for the bonus were very unclear:

Bonus terms:
[...]
Bonus can only be claimed once
[...]

Is that once per account? Or once per person? Or once per computer? Or once per household? Or once per IP address? Or something else?

You said "bonus can only be claimed once", and despite me asking twice for clarification as to what that was meant to mean you never provided the requested clarification.

I think the most obvious interpretation would be "once per account", since the site wouldn't let me claim twice on the same account, but would let me claim twice on the same computer, from the same household. I don't think it's fair to withhold funds from players who misinterpreted your incredibly vague terms.

It's also very rude of you to call this player a scammer. He wasn't scamming you. He was playing within the stated rules. If you offer stupid exploitable bonuses please don't blame anyone but yourself when people inevitably try to exploit them. Promising a bonus and then refusing to pay it makes you the scammer, not the people trying to claim the bonus.

Which bonus are you referring to exactly? The 100x roll-over deposit bonus?

I think most sites in the past don't really care how many times you take advance of this deposit bonus but its highly unlikely that someone can actually be able to roll-over that much and still keep their balance non-negative.

I have no idea exactly what happened, but the guy was using a VPN and maybe some other guy used the exact same VPN and tried to do something illegal. Hence why you need to becareful with VPNs.

[dooglus]

Which bonus are you referring to exactly? The 100x roll-over deposit bonus?

I'm referring to the original 30x rollover bonus.

the guy was using a VPN and maybe some other guy used the exact same VPN and tried to do something illegal. Hence why you need to becareful with VPNs.

There was nothing in the rules about not using a VPN so that shouldn't be an issue.

[JackpotRacer]

we did many no chance to lose promos with +EV for the players and this is just not fair to try to get it more than once

Dean gave a very generous 30x rollover bonus promo and he wrote

-Bonus can only be claimed once-

IMO it is once and I would not try it more than once

IMO once is enough and a very generous bonus promo for every player for a 30x rollover bonus with a max of 0.1 for example

my 2 satoshis

[iluvbitcoins]

Bonus terms:
Click claim bonus on the deposit dialog BEFORE you deposit
Bonus can only be claimed once
Min deposit 0.002 BTC
Max bonus rewarded 0.1 BTC
Wager 30x your deposit amount playing dice with 2x payout (49.5% chance) setting
Bonus will be unlocked and added to your balance after you meet the wager requirements.

Last edit on September 4

I'd say once isn't equal to once per account
Therefore, BetKing isn't in the wrong here
But the rules were too vague, when it comes to these things, they need to be explained thoroughly.

[JackpotRacer]

Bonus terms:
Click claim bonus on the deposit dialog BEFORE you deposit
Bonus can only be claimed once
Min deposit 0.002 BTC
Max bonus rewarded 0.1 BTC
Wager 30x your deposit amount playing dice with 2x payout (49.5% chance) setting
Bonus will be unlocked and added to your balance after you meet the wager requirements.

Last edit on September 4

I'd say once isn't equal to once per account
Therefore, BetKing isn't in the wrong here
But the rules were too vague, when it comes to these things, they need to be explained thoroughly.

IMO -once- is once for me. why should I go for another one if I had such a generous promo?

Dean would be stupid to allow more than once cause it could be 10 or more times easily. just do the maths how much this could cost him if there are some smart low players? just lets take 100 users and they will play slow and low. 100 users with 0.1 deposit  could cost him ~30k usd and now multiply this with households of 10 people.

[BetKing.io]

The bonus was 1 per user an you tried to scam for many Bitcoin.

The terms for the bonus were very unclear:

Bonus terms:
[...]
Bonus can only be claimed once
[...]

Is that once per account? Or once per person? Or once per computer? Or once per household? Or once per IP address? Or something else?

You said "bonus can only be claimed once", and despite me asking twice for clarification as to what that was meant to mean you never provided the requested clarification.

I think the most obvious interpretation would be "once per account", since the site wouldn't let me claim twice on the same account, but would let me claim twice on the same computer, from the same household. I don't think it's fair to withhold funds from players who misinterpreted your incredibly vague terms.

It's also very rude of you to call this player a scammer. He wasn't scamming you. He was playing within the stated rules. If you offer stupid exploitable bonuses please don't blame anyone but yourself when people inevitably try to exploit them. Promising a bonus and then refusing to pay it makes you the scammer, not the people trying to claim the bonus.

I didn't reply to you because I had ended the promo anyway so the info didn't matter.

I deliberately did a +ev promo for relaunch to give a little bonus to legist players and old fans of the site.
People who played within the rules liked and appreciated it, got their bonus and withdrew, no problem.

It was clear that I said the promo can only be claimed once.
I don't have to write everything into 100 very specific terms to make it obvous what that meant or to protect myself.

He was a scammer. He took 4 Bitcoin during the promo and I let him withdraw it.

THEN I changed the backend to limit it better and he still looked for ways to exploit that for another 4 Bitcoin.
That is obviously then clear cheating or playing not as intended.
He withdrew most of this. I confiscated around 1.4 Bitcoin, so less than 8 and 0.1 deposis don't cover the 8.

I didn't come back after 8 months to argue with you or anyone in this forum or to have people steal from me.
Lesson learned and it won't happen again.
But they won't get ther withdrawals and that is the final decision. Coreect decision too. I won't make any other posts about it.

[bitjamz]

no affiliate program? a shame

[iluvbitcoins]

You are in the right if he has been using multi-accounts to use what was a pretty generous bonus.
I have already quoted the OP which is unedited for 4 days and it clearly states it can only be used once.
I support your move  
Positive EV bonus is there for a reason, and it's not for someone who's going to exploit it to get it all for himself.

[buwaytress]

Just checked back on the site and found the new x100 wager promotion. Just want to be clear on the rules before I deposit: what does the 0 edge mean? I saw that the dice edge on x2 payout was still 1% (49.5 win chance). Will this adjust to a 50% win chance on x2 if we claim the deposit bonus? And this works for all currencies equally, correct?

[lite]

no affiliate program? a shame

I think dean had said there will be an affiliate system soon.

[gon]

The bonus was 1 per user an you tried to scam for many Bitcoin.

The terms for the bonus were very unclear:

Bonus terms:
[...]
Bonus can only be claimed once
[...]

Is that once per account? Or once per person? Or once per computer? Or once per household? Or once per IP address? Or something else?

You said "bonus can only be claimed once", and despite me asking twice for clarification as to what that was meant to mean you never provided the requested clarification.

I think the most obvious interpretation would be "once per account", since the site wouldn't let me claim twice on the same account, but would let me claim twice on the same computer, from the same household. I don't think it's fair to withhold funds from players who misinterpreted your incredibly vague terms.

It's also very rude of you to call this player a scammer. He wasn't scamming you. He was playing within the stated rules. If you offer stupid exploitable bonuses please don't blame anyone but yourself when people inevitably try to exploit them. Promising a bonus and then refusing to pay it makes you the scammer, not the people trying to claim the bonus.

I didn't reply to you because I had ended the promo anyway so the info didn't matter.

I deliberately did a +ev promo for relaunch to give a little bonus to legist players and old fans of the site.
People who played within the rules liked and appreciated it, got their bonus and withdrew, no problem.

It was clear that I said the promo can only be claimed once.
I don't have to write everything into 100 very specific terms to make it obvous what that meant or to protect myself.

He was a scammer. He took 4 Bitcoin during the promo and I let him withdraw it.

THEN I changed the backend to limit it better and he still looked for ways to exploit that for another 4 Bitcoin.
That is obviously then clear cheating or playing not as intended.
He withdrew most of this. I confiscated around 1.4 Bitcoin, so less than 8 and 0.1 deposis don't cover the 8.

I didn't come back after 8 months to argue with you or anyone in this forum or to have people steal from me.
Lesson learned and it won't happen again.
But they won't get ther withdrawals and that is the final decision. Coreect decision too. I won't make any other posts about it.

I have a small investment in your ICO, but now I'm seriously considering just to dump it.

Why?

1. You are changing terms in a minutes
2. You are talking about BetKing - like a real king "I had ended", I I I I
3. You are confiscating money??

Should't we /the investors/ to have the last word about the site development and path?!

[BetKing.io]

The bonus was 1 per user an you tried to scam for many Bitcoin.

The terms for the bonus were very unclear:

Bonus terms:
[...]
Bonus can only be claimed once
[...]

Is that once per account? Or once per person? Or once per computer? Or once per household? Or once per IP address? Or something else?

You said "bonus can only be claimed once", and despite me asking twice for clarification as to what that was meant to mean you never provided the requested clarification.

I think the most obvious interpretation would be "once per account", since the site wouldn't let me claim twice on the same account, but would let me claim twice on the same computer, from the same household. I don't think it's fair to withhold funds from players who misinterpreted your incredibly vague terms.

It's also very rude of you to call this player a scammer. He wasn't scamming you. He was playing within the stated rules. If you offer stupid exploitable bonuses please don't blame anyone but yourself when people inevitably try to exploit them. Promising a bonus and then refusing to pay it makes you the scammer, not the people trying to claim the bonus.

I didn't reply to you because I had ended the promo anyway so the info didn't matter.

I deliberately did a +ev promo for relaunch to give a little bonus to legist players and old fans of the site.
People who played within the rules liked and appreciated it, got their bonus and withdrew, no problem.

It was clear that I said the promo can only be claimed once.
I don't have to write everything into 100 very specific terms to make it obvous what that meant or to protect myself.

He was a scammer. He took 4 Bitcoin during the promo and I let him withdraw it.

THEN I changed the backend to limit it better and he still looked for ways to exploit that for another 4 Bitcoin.
That is obviously then clear cheating or playing not as intended.
He withdrew most of this. I confiscated around 1.4 Bitcoin, so less than 8 and 0.1 deposis don't cover the 8.

I didn't come back after 8 months to argue with you or anyone in this forum or to have people steal from me.
Lesson learned and it won't happen again.
But they won't get ther withdrawals and that is the final decision. Coreect decision too. I won't make any other posts about it.

I have a small investment in your ICO, but now I'm seriously considering just to dump it.

Why?

1. You are changing terms in a minutes
2. You are talking about BetKing - like a real king "I had ended", I I I I
3. You are confiscating money??

Should't we /the investors/ to have the last word about the site development and path?!

1) Never happened.
2) The people in this forum know that I, Dean, run this account, I am the owner of BetKing and was having a direct conversation so it would be weird to write "we" or anything else. This is how I speak.
3) I am stopping someone stealing MORE money from me, big difference.

"Should't we /the investors/ to have the last word about the site development and path?!"
No. Token holders have no share in the company or voting rights.
Oppinions and recommendations are however always welcome.

If you are really a token holder it seems weird that you would give trolls ammo in this forum with your comment even though everyone else who posted has shown support for my decision.

[mijkrofl]

1) Never happened.
2) The people in this forum know that I, Dean, run this account, I am the owner of BetKing and was having a direct conversation so it would be weird to write "we" or anything else. This is how I speak.
3) I am stopping someone stealing MORE money from me, big difference.

"Should't we /the investors/ to have the last word about the site development and path?!"
No. Token holders have no share in the company or voting rights.
Oppinions and recommendations are however always welcome.

If you are really a token holder it seems weird that you would give trolls ammo in this forum with your comment even though everyone else who posted has shown support for my decision.

wtf, you're replying to this seriously? I think you should prevent people from stealing the bankroll (which we, investors, all paid for). So i'm glad you blocked it.

Anything about the token yet, bkb?

[BetKing.io]

1) Never happened.
2) The people in this forum know that I, Dean, run this account, I am the owner of BetKing and was having a direct conversation so it would be weird to write "we" or anything else. This is how I speak.
3) I am stopping someone stealing MORE money from me, big difference.

"Should't we /the investors/ to have the last word about the site development and path?!"
No. Token holders have no share in the company or voting rights.
Oppinions and recommendations are however always welcome.

If you are really a token holder it seems weird that you would give trolls ammo in this forum with your comment even though everyone else who posted has shown support for my decision.

wtf, you're replying to this seriously? I think you should prevent people from stealing the bankroll (which we, investors, all paid for). So i'm glad you blocked it.

Anything about the token yet, bkb?

Exactly. I'm going to stay off these forums I think

The tokens should be distributed this weekend. It's long slow process to audit but needs to be done.
Even after tokens are credited you will be looking more at next week before you can withdraw.

I thought about allowing you to tip them to others on the site as a form of exchange but you would need to trust the other person as there's no escrow service.

[mijkrofl]

1) Never happened.
2) The people in this forum know that I, Dean, run this account, I am the owner of BetKing and was having a direct conversation so it would be weird to write "we" or anything else. This is how I speak.
3) I am stopping someone stealing MORE money from me, big difference.

"Should't we /the investors/ to have the last word about the site development and path?!"
No. Token holders have no share in the company or voting rights.
Oppinions and recommendations are however always welcome.

If you are really a token holder it seems weird that you would give trolls ammo in this forum with your comment even though everyone else who posted has shown support for my decision.

wtf, you're replying to this seriously? I think you should prevent people from stealing the bankroll (which we, investors, all paid for). So i'm glad you blocked it.

Anything about the token yet, bkb?

Exactly. I'm going to stay off these forums I think

The tokens should be distributed this weekend. It's long slow process to audit but needs to be done.
Even after tokens are credited you will be looking more at next week before you can withdraw.

I thought about allowing you to tip them to others on the site as a form of exchange but you would need to trust the other person as there's no escrow service.

Thanks. You shouldn't be defending yourself for your actions in favor of the users/investors. If you stop posting at the forum could you atleast open something as a support box on the website?

Thanks again for all your effort.

[BetKing.io]

Latest updates:
- fixed autobet issues where it would randomly stop
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