Urgent: Business account with green trust has been stolen

[CoinLearn_org]

Account: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=228243

Signed message in prescribed format (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=497545.0) has been sent to Cyrus on September 02, 2017 and theymos on September 03, 2017.

To further prove my ownership, a message has been posted on CoinLearn.org - https://www.coinlearn.org/recover.html

Please recover before the thief damages its reputation.

Thanks & Regards,
CoinLearn.org

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[Lauda]

Post the signed message and the source of the address (link to where you have posted it) here. If it verifies, I will tag the account until it has been recovered.

[Albert Hamilton]

Post the signed message and the source of the address (link to where you have posted it) here. If it verifies, I will tag the account until it has been recovered.

Looking at Meta, it seems like multiple accounts have lately been stolen. Those, who are signing message for recovery, probably need their account to be recovered fast, instead of -ve trust. If theymos & Cyrus are busy, why not more global mods are being given this responsibility?

[Lauda]

Those, who are signing message for recovery, probably need their account to be recovered fast, instead of -ve trust.

The negative rating(s) can come much faster than the recovery of accounts. Being absent from your business account is one thing, but someone else using it for scamming et. al. is a bigger issue IMO.

If theymos & Cyrus are busy, why not more global mods are being given this responsibility?

There is a single active global moderator on this forum, and the staff hierarchy and many of this forum's policies are inherently broken. Why the owner is hesitant towards improving it is a question that we can only speculate on.

[Joca97a]

Post the signed message and the source of the address (link to where you have posted it) here. If it verifies, I will tag the account until it has been recovered.

I have signed in the message and sended to the 2 admins
should i post somewhere else as well or ?

[Lauda]

Post the signed message and the source of the address (link to where you have posted it) here. If it verifies, I will tag the account until it has been recovered.

I have signed in the message and sended to the 2 admins
should i post somewhere else as well or ?

Who are you? If you are not OP, then you should not be posting about your situation here nor post a signed message. Create your own thread.

[Jimmy Wales]

To further prove my ownership, a message has been posted on CoinLearn.org - https://www.coinlearn.org/recover.html

^^This itself works as a confirmed proof of ownership.

[qwk]

To further prove my ownership, a message has been posted on CoinLearn.org - https://www.coinlearn.org/recover.html

If you are using www.CoinLearn.org for free Bitcoins please post your current earning here...

Welcome to Bitcoin World. You may learn and earn a few bitcoins @ www.coinlearn.org

You can try out www.coinlearn.org to earn free BTC. The time you spend on site does not get wasted. You also learn various things about Bitcoin.

You may also get introduced to some awesome Bitcoin facts @ www.CoinLearn.org

Hm, this "proves" more or less conclusively that the person now in control of (part of) www.coinlearn.org is you.
It does not, on the other hand, prove that you are the owner of the account that posted the links to www.coinlearn.org a while ago.
Don't get me wrong, it seems legit enough, but it just isn't enough proof.

[ibinsad2]

I hope this forum becomes more secure, many accounts like mine were stolen these days..

[CoinLearn_org]

To further prove my ownership, a message has been posted on CoinLearn.org - https://www.coinlearn.org/recover.html

If you are using www.CoinLearn.org for free Bitcoins please post your current earning here...

Welcome to Bitcoin World. You may learn and earn a few bitcoins @ www.coinlearn.org

You can try out www.coinlearn.org to earn free BTC. The time you spend on site does not get wasted. You also learn various things about Bitcoin.

You may also get introduced to some awesome Bitcoin facts @ www.CoinLearn.org

Hm, this "proves" more or less conclusively that the person now in control of (part of) www.coinlearn.org is you.
It does not, on the other hand, prove that you are the owner of the account that posted the links to www.coinlearn.org a while ago.
Don't get me wrong, it seems legit enough, but it just isn't enough proof.

It just isn't enough proof. True. But, please check https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=435257.0. Does not it prove conclusively that https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=228243 is owner of www.CoinLearn.org ?

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Moreover, I have already provided signed message to theymos & cyrus, as mentioned in OP. After one week of sending PM to both, I'm now really disappointed.

[ibinsad2]

To further prove my ownership, a message has been posted on CoinLearn.org - https://www.coinlearn.org/recover.html

If you are using www.CoinLearn.org for free Bitcoins please post your current earning here...

Welcome to Bitcoin World. You may learn and earn a few bitcoins @ www.coinlearn.org

You can try out www.coinlearn.org to earn free BTC. The time you spend on site does not get wasted. You also learn various things about Bitcoin.

You may also get introduced to some awesome Bitcoin facts @ www.CoinLearn.org

Hm, this "proves" more or less conclusively that the person now in control of (part of) www.coinlearn.org is you.
It does not, on the other hand, prove that you are the owner of the account that posted the links to www.coinlearn.org a while ago.
Don't get me wrong, it seems legit enough, but it just isn't enough proof.

It just isn't enough proof. True. But, please check https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=435257.0. Does not it prove conclusively that https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=228243 is owner of www.CoinLearn.org ?

Moreover, I have already provided signed message to theymos & cyrus, as mentioned in OP. After one week of sending PM to both, I'm now really disappointed.

I read you can wait lot more.. Is really bad for important accounts like your, I want to see their face if they steal their accounts in other forums.

Is 2fa or login verification by email very hard to implement?

[Lauda]

Moreover, I have already provided signed message to theymos & cyrus, as mentioned in OP. After one week of sending PM to both, I'm now really disappointed.

Why are you refusing to post said signed message in this thread?

[dothebeats]

Best that we can do to help is verify and signed messages from any of your addresses here in the forum and tag it -ve so that it wouldn't be used in any form of scam etc. It took me a good week before I recovered my account. It's frustrating, and maybe it's time to give other mods the power to unlock/change email on hacked accounts so that the admins wouldn't be 'interrupted' on what they're doing.

[ajw7779]

My old legendary account was hacked and the admins never got it back to me from 2016. The best thing to do is get it tagged with  negative trust then try to recover it. I had old addresses signed and everything admins just never responded was a shame.

[qwk]

It just isn't enough proof. True. But, please check https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=435257.0. Does not it prove conclusively that https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=228243 is owner of www.CoinLearn.org ?

No. It seems highly likely, even to the point of almost certain, but it isn't exactly proof

But, most important, think about the potential of abuse here.
You could just happen to be a person who managed to "hack" the coinlearn.org web server, and now you're trying to gain access to his/her bitcointalk account as well.
Not saying that you are, but it's a possibility that should be taken into account.

That's why, among other reasons, the only acceptable proof of ownership can be a signed message with the key of an address that's certain to be associated with the account in question.

[ibinsad2]

My old legendary account was hacked and the admins never got it back to me from 2016. The best thing to do is get it tagged with  negative trust then try to recover it. I had old addresses signed and everything admins just never responded was a shame.

  Which are those accounts where are they signed?

Strange admins do anything, I understand you have to wait but if they do anything is strange.

[CoinLearn]

Is that a joke or something?

To start with, this person sent me PM and blackmailed me.

Here is the proof:

https://gyazo.com/312eba8470a8164ea40412613d5f2829

I guess that's because he saw the account email address has been changed. Well, that is because the original email was hacked around a year ago.

Last month, i saw that account CoinLearn is for sale! Here is the link to that thread, but unfortunatelly, the seller deleted it:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2056211.0

But, i didn't delete messages that we've exchanged with the seller in the telegram chat:

1. https://gyazo.com/838bf12ff969c1bf2495ec5d935b92a0

2. https://gyazo.com/95cbb03b070857800d3869b328637ab9

3. https://gyazo.com/61295ba9d457148c1b7900824f51346f

4. https://gyazo.com/926dcc39e977ab0205263e4c6c490bd3

5. https://gyazo.com/f778209c239e1df6b4005c01a9342770

Here is the link to that transaction: https://blockchain.info/tx/d4143f9a98b2a9eeadddae9e62e8811b504042e194d406d8d0911541f1938e9c

And btw, here is how the website looked until november 30th, 2016, and how it looks today. The difference is obvious.

Before: https://web.archive.org/web/20161130005339/http://www.coinlearn.org:80/

Today: https://www.coinlearn.org/

Someone believes that just by placing Satoshi's white paper on the stolen website, makes him provable owner of that site.

[KWH]

Is that a joke or something?

To start with, this person sent me PM and blackmailed me.

Here is the proof:

https://gyazo.com/312eba8470a8164ea40412613d5f2829

I guess that's because he saw the account email address has been changed. Well, that is because the original email was hacked around a year ago.

Last month, i saw that account CoinLearn is for sale! Here is the link to that thread, but unfortunatelly, the seller deleted it:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2056211.0

But, i didn't delete messages that we've exchanged with the seller in the telegram chat:

1. https://gyazo.com/838bf12ff969c1bf2495ec5d935b92a0

2. https://gyazo.com/95cbb03b070857800d3869b328637ab9

3. https://gyazo.com/61295ba9d457148c1b7900824f51346f

4. https://gyazo.com/926dcc39e977ab0205263e4c6c490bd3

5. https://gyazo.com/f778209c239e1df6b4005c01a9342770

Here is the link to that transaction: https://blockchain.info/tx/d4143f9a98b2a9eeadddae9e62e8811b504042e194d406d8d0911541f1938e9c

And btw, here is how the website looked until november 30th, 2016, and how it looks today. The difference is obvious.

Before: https://web.archive.org/web/20161130005339/http://www.coinlearn.org:80/

Today: https://www.coinlearn.org/

Someone believes that just by placing Satoshi's white paper on the stolen website, makes him provable owner of that site.

Quoted for reference.

[Lauda]

Is that a joke or something?

You've bought this account, correct?

To start with, this person sent me PM and blackmailed me.

Here is the proof:

https://gyazo.com/312eba8470a8164ea40412613d5f2829

That does not show who sent the message. Why are you trying to protect the sender?

[CoinLearn]

Is that a joke or something?

You've bought this account, correct?

To start with, this person sent me PM and blackmailed me.

Here is the proof:

https://gyazo.com/312eba8470a8164ea40412613d5f2829

That does not show who sent the message. Why are you trying to protect the sender?

Yes, as soon as i saw that it was for sale, i've contacted the seller and bought it.

Nothing to protect, PM was sent from a newly registered account.
https://gyazo.com/99bb6c78400525dcfca878ce42bf9c98

[Lauda]

Yes, as soon as i saw that it was for sale, i've contacted the seller and bought it.

Quoted and tagged.

Nothing to protect, PM was sent from a newly registered account.
https://gyazo.com/99bb6c78400525dcfca878ce42bf9c98

Tagged the throwaway account (not that this will accomplish anything).

[shorena]

Rating removed, thx KWH for letting me know.

[KWH]

Rating removed, thx KWH for letting me know.

Thanks for your help.

[Bill Gates]

Last month, i saw that account CoinLearn is for sale! Here is the link to that thread, but unfortunatelly, the seller deleted it:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2056211.0

Could u please point out to the seller's profile on BitcoinTalk?

But, i didn't delete messages that we've exchanged with the seller in the telegram chat:

1. https://gyazo.com/838bf12ff969c1bf2495ec5d935b92a0

2. https://gyazo.com/95cbb03b070857800d3869b328637ab9

3. https://gyazo.com/61295ba9d457148c1b7900824f51346f

4. https://gyazo.com/926dcc39e977ab0205263e4c6c490bd3

5. https://gyazo.com/f778209c239e1df6b4005c01a9342770

Here is the link to that transaction: https://blockchain.info/tx/d4143f9a98b2a9eeadddae9e62e8811b504042e194d406d8d0911541f1938e9c

Could u please point out to the escrow profile on BitcoinTalk?

Someone believes that just by placing Satoshi's white paper on the stolen website, makes him provable owner of that site.

OP has claimed that he has sent a signed message from an old address to the admins. So, whether the website is stolen or not is immaterial here. Whoever can provide a signed message from an older address is the original owner.

[Lauda]

Could u please point out to the seller's profile on BitcoinTalk?

Probably a throwaway account.

Could u please point out to the escrow profile on BitcoinTalk?

I could take an educated guess based on the escrows that are willing to deal with such shady transactions.

Whoever can provide a signed message from an older address is the original owner.

And? The owner could still have sold it, and recovering it this way would then be a scam.

[CoinLearn]

Could u please point out to the seller's profile on BitcoinTalk?

Probably a throwaway account.

Could u please point out to the escrow profile on BitcoinTalk?

I could take an educated guess based on the escrows that are willing to deal with such shady transactions.

Whoever can provide a signed message from an older address is the original owner.

And? The owner could still have sold it, and recovering it this way would then be a scam.

That is correct. It was throwaway account, that's why i asked to pay through escrow. After that, seller agreed to send me password in advance. As soon as i got it, i did pay him. Proof is provided above.

As far, as i'm aware, it is allowed to sell and buy accounts on this forum. Please correct me if i'm wrong.

Spot on! It looks like the same person who sold it, now trying to get it back this way.

[CoinLearn]

And btw, if i would buy this account to scam someone, why didn't i do it in more than 30 days? Don't you think i had plenty of time to do that? But i didn't. I didn't even placed any signature to earn. Think about it.

[100bitcoin]

That is correct. It was throwaway account, that's why i asked to pay through escrow. After that, seller agreed to send me password in advance. As soon as i got it, i did pay him. Proof is provided above.

What is stopping u from revealing the seller?

As far, as i'm aware, it is allowed to sell and buy accounts on this forum. Please correct me if i'm wrong.

What is stopping u from revealing the escrow identity?

Spot on! It looks like the same person who sold it, now trying to get it back this way.

If u have really bought it from the real owner, u must have a signed message from the owner saying that he is selling it to u on a given date. As long as, u can not present such a message, u r no way a legitimate owner of the account. Instead, it is possible that u r the thief, who created another identity to dummy a trade and now claiming as if u have bought.

And btw, if i would buy this account to scam someone, why didn't i do it in more than 30 days? Don't you think i had plenty of time to do that? But i didn't. I didn't even placed any signature to earn. Think about it.

Signed message is everything. So, far only OP has it and u do not.

[CoinLearn]

That is correct. It was throwaway account, that's why i asked to pay through escrow. After that, seller agreed to send me password in advance. As soon as i got it, i did pay him. Proof is provided above.

What is stopping u from revealing the seller?

As far, as i'm aware, it is allowed to sell and buy accounts on this forum. Please correct me if i'm wrong.

What is stopping u from revealing the escrow identity?

Spot on! It looks like the same person who sold it, now trying to get it back this way.

If u have really bought it from the real owner, u must have a signed message from the owner saying that he is selling it to u on a given date. As long as, u can not present such a message, u r no way a legitimate owner of the account. Instead, it is possible that u r the thief, who created another identity to dummy a trade and now claiming as if u have bought.

And btw, if i would buy this account to scam someone, why didn't i do it in more than 30 days? Don't you think i had plenty of time to do that? But i didn't. I didn't even placed any signature to earn. Think about it.

Signed message is everything. So, far only OP has it and u do not.

I don't remember that username of seller account. If you read through the links provided, and some of my posts above, you'll see what seller sent me account pass without escrow. And as i got it, i paid him directly.

If i would be a thief, i would use this account for scaming people long time ago and would not talk to you here. Does it make any cense?

So far, OP has nothing to show. Lets see what he sent to admins and moderators. If he can prove that this account belong to him, he will get it back.

[Lauda]

That is correct. It was throwaway account, that's why i asked to pay through escrow. After that, seller agreed to send me password in advance. As soon as i got it, i did pay him. Proof is provided above.

Damn, my sassumption didn't quite hit this time.

As far, as i'm aware, it is allowed to sell and buy accounts on this forum. Please correct me if i'm wrong.

Unfortunately there is no rule against it, only a bullshit excuse.

If i would be a thief, i would use this account for scaming people long time ago and would not talk to you here. Does it make any cense?

Irrelevant. You knowingly purchased an account with green trust, which is not yours (the trust nor the account), thus you can't be trusted.

[CoinLearn]

That is correct. It was throwaway account, that's why i asked to pay through escrow. After that, seller agreed to send me password in advance. As soon as i got it, i did pay him. Proof is provided above.

Damn, my sassumption didn't quite hit this time.

As far, as i'm aware, it is allowed to sell and buy accounts on this forum. Please correct me if i'm wrong.

Unfortunately there is no rule against it, only a bullshit excuse.

If i would be a thief, i would use this account for scaming people long time ago and would not talk to you here. Does it make any cense?

Irrelevant. You knowingly purchased an account with green trust, which is not yours (the trust nor the account), thus you can't be trusted.

I don't need that trust, as i'm not selling or buying anything )

[Lauda]

I don't need that trust, as i'm not selling or buying anything )

Then you're fine with your current rating either way.

[CoinLearn_org]

Still waiting for the admins to act.

[100bitcoin]

Still waiting for the admins to act.

Keep waiting. Its a wild west. No one will act.

[dothebeats]

And btw, if i would buy this account to scam someone, why didn't i do it in more than 30 days? Don't you think i had plenty of time to do that? But i didn't. I didn't even placed any signature to earn. Think about it.

Nonsense, and the account is useless though so good luck with that. Anyone who bought an account with green trust has an intention to use it in something shady, admit it or not, and you are no exception. Even though you don't join any campaigns (which most bought accounts are used for), you still know that the account is associated in a service you can use to potentially get something 'more' than what petty campaigns offer.

Red tagged 'til owner recovers the account.

Still waiting for the admins to act.

Try bumping some other mod to push the request to the admins. Waiting would be a dire effort.

[CoinLearn_org]

No response yet.

[CoinLearn_org]

Even after providing all the required proofs with signed message, no action from the admins is disappointing.

[CoinLearn_org]

Today, once again, I sent the year old signed message to theymos. Hoping for recovery.

[CoinLearn_org]

I re-applied according to the new recovery process through email. In response, I received the following mail.

Code:

Hello,

Thank you for your email. The signed message was successfully verified.
Please note that the email address cannot be restored to a different one other than the original used to register the account. In the situation where that email address was used to create a different account, you will need to change it on the second account as one email address cannot be linked with more than one acount.

Furthermore, we will need you to send us an email from that original email address where you wil also receive further instructions.
Best regards,
Bitcointalk account recovery team

But, I do not remember the original email ID with which my account was registered 5 years ago. Though, I have provided signed message from an address, that was used within one month of account registration.

What am I supposed to do?

[CoinLearn_org]

My final hope to recover my 5 years old established account is over. I have received the following mail from BitcoinTalk team...

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Thank you for your email.

After checking the entire history related to this account and based on the current investigation, there is simply not enough info to determine the true owner as the account appears to have been sold at some point possibly alongisde the private key for the address used to sign the message. Also, there's no guarantee that the website you mentioned was not hacked as well, therefore, it will not be used as a valid point in the recovery process.

Taking these matters into consideration, our final decision is that the account will be locked and you can continue using the alternative one you created.

Best regards,

Bitcointalk account recovery team

[Quickseller]

I re-applied according to the new recovery process through email. In response, I received the following mail.

Code:

Hello,

Thank you for your email. The signed message was successfully verified.
Please note that the email address cannot be restored to a different one other than the original used to register the account. In the situation where that email address was used to create a different account, you will need to change it on the second account as one email address cannot be linked with more than one acount.

Furthermore, we will need you to send us an email from that original email address where you wil also receive further instructions.
Best regards,
Bitcointalk account recovery team

But, I do not remember the original email ID with which my account was registered 5 years ago. Though, I have provided signed message from an address, that was used within one month of account registration.

What am I supposed to do?

It is likely that it is unclear you are the original owner of the account, based on your browser/ip/OS you are currently using, verses what you used when you registered your account.