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September 17, 2017, 04:26:13 PM
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Nowadays there are a few countries where online gambling is regulated and people from that country can only play on regulated sites. For example, in Spain you can only play in .es sites, like pokestars.es, bwin.es and so on. If you are from France you can only play in .fr sites, like pokerstars.es. In Italy, you can only play in .it sites, and so on.

That is when we talk about FIAT but I have been trying to find info about the legality of playing in bitcoin sites if you are from one of those countries but I can’t find any clear information.

There seems to be a loophole.

Any of you know anything about it?

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September 17, 2017, 04:48:24 PM
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It largely depends on how each government in its respective country looks at Bitcoin. In my country Bitcoin isn't a currency, but a means of exchange.

And that's where things are getting a bit tricky. I am not exactly sure in what category a Bitcoin related gambling site fits, but if they register themselves in my country as gambling site, then it shouldn't be a problem I guess.

Not that long ago, sites as bwin, bet365, ladbrokes, and the list goes on, have been prohibited from operating here because they were not willing to register themselves here and pay the tax rate that all local gambling sites have to pay.

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September 18, 2017, 01:03:07 AM
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I have an endless respect and freedom against all gambling games in the country we are in. I have been using gambling sites that I have been able to play with Bitcoin since 2010, so far I have not had a problem.



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September 18, 2017, 03:57:36 AM
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This also applies in my country even though gambling is prohibited offline or online and will be penalized if proven to do so, but for bitcoin-based gambling sites, I still can do it and i never have a problem because some of my surroundings don't know about bitcoin

   
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September 18, 2017, 07:07:21 AM
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It largely depends on how each government in its respective country looks at Bitcoin. In my country Bitcoin isn't a currency, but a means of exchange.

And that's where things are getting a bit tricky. I am not exactly sure in what category a Bitcoin related gambling site fits, but if they register themselves in my country as gambling site, then it shouldn't be a problem I guess.

Not that long ago, sites as bwin, bet365, ladbrokes, and the list goes on, have been prohibited from operating here because they were not willing to register themselves here and pay the tax rate that all local gambling sites have to pay.

I agree that it would depend on the legal view of Bitcoin in the certain country. In my country, Bitcoin is also not recognized as a currency but rather as 'property'. With this kind of view, Bitcoin does not have any legal tender. From this I could not deduce what the stand of my country is with regards to online gambling sites, although it is regulated for fiat online gambling sites.

It may be legal because technically Bitcoin is legal to use in my country. This could be the same situation in other countries because most jurisdictions do not specify on the legality of online gambling sites.

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September 18, 2017, 10:14:16 AM
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It largely depends on how each government in its respective country looks at Bitcoin. In my country Bitcoin isn't a currency, but a means of exchange.

And that's where things are getting a bit tricky. I am not exactly sure in what category a Bitcoin related gambling site fits, but if they register themselves in my country as gambling site, then it shouldn't be a problem I guess.

Not that long ago, sites as bwin, bet365, ladbrokes, and the list goes on, have been prohibited from operating here because they were not willing to register themselves here and pay the tax rate that all local gambling sites have to pay.

I agree that it would depend on the legal view of Bitcoin in the certain country. In my country, Bitcoin is also not recognized as a currency but rather as 'property'. With this kind of view, Bitcoin does not have any legal tender. From this I could not deduce what the stand of my country is with regards to online gambling sites, although it is regulated for fiat online gambling sites.

in the USA, bitcoins are considered "property." i don't think there is federal precedent, but there was a case in the state of nevada where the operator of a BTC poker site was prosecuted. nevada is one of the few US states that regulates online poker. they charged bryan micon with operating an unlicensed internet gambling business. at the time, he was running seals with clubs poker room from las vegas. it was bitcoin-only.

so from that perspective, i would think that the US hasn't gone after bitcoin gambling sites because none have been big enough. nevada had just passed online gaming regulations and wanted to make a point.

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September 18, 2017, 01:27:55 PM
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Bitcoin gambling sites are the most common internet to go of all bitcoiners. When it is regulated in one country it doesn't mean it is illegal but they're is list of rules and regulation that must be followed and not meeting one it might cause closure or suspension. I've heard about USA as one of the strict that implement of this kind of business online. It is much better to be regulated than restricted in the long run we can adapt to it.
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September 18, 2017, 01:43:57 PM
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I don't know the exact legal status in Spain but if they have made it illegal to gamble at overseas Bitcoin casinos then that law is totally unenforceable. Bitcoin casinos are totally anonymous so as long as the customers are careful not to disclose their real-life identities they should be OK.

The casinos, however, do have to be a bit more careful and comply with the regulations where they are registered and also protect themselves from possible legal action from abroad. Spain is not on the list of countries that have threatened any legal action against casinos for providing services to its citizens, unlike the USA. That's why they block US IP addresses. by doing that they can argue that they have taken necessary steps to prevent US customers using their service which should be enough, in theory, to get them off the hook if anyone gets caught using a VPN.


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October 05, 2017, 03:46:25 AM
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A lot of countries ban gambling, but if you're into esports betting and tournaments, you have to check out Unikrn. They launched their ICO UnikoinGold last month and the sale is ending in three weeks. Incredible concept and they're one of the only legal platforms out there. They even have fiat betting in the UK and Australia. Crazy stuff, but it's companies like these we need.
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October 06, 2017, 04:52:39 AM
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Legal gray areas that cryptocurrencies create always fascinate me. I'm not very familiar with US laws, but does it actually matter what you're betting with? Wasn't that an old loophole casinos circumvented by using chips? Either way, I decided to find out more about it, and it seems no individual Bitcoin gambler has been apprehended yet. It wasn't clear if it was because it would be a serious pain to pin these gamblers with their Bitcoin addresses alone, or because the government doesn't care. Operators are a different story, though. The State of Nevada has already shut down a popular Bitcoin poker site in the past. Unlike the gamblers themselves who can stay anonymous, gambling operators are going to find it somewhat difficult to evade the law when it comes after them. The entire situation is similar to how the government can't reasonably track down and tax every single Bitcoin transaction, but it can guard the entry and exit points by regulating exchanges.

You can read the article here: https://themerkle.com/is-bitcoin-gambling-legal-in-the-united-states/

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Depends on the drafting of the legislation in the respective country - placing a bet can mean placing a bet in any form irrespective of whether it is with fiat or not. I would think it is unlikely that there is a loophole in respect of gaming. As a lawyer in Gibraltar, I've looked at this from the B2C perspective and conclusion is that even if an operator is accepting bitcoin and not fiat, it is still deemed as gaming. Pm me if you want to know more.
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October 09, 2017, 10:50:22 AM
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If a person wants to play on the site to which access is forbidden in his country it is possible to do it via TOR or VPN. Such bans are not effective. By law the government may claim the provider that he was not provided access for the people of this country but you are not an offender if use of these sites for yourself.

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October 09, 2017, 04:18:59 PM
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Nowadays there are a few countries where online gambling is regulated and people from that country can only play on regulated sites. For example, in Spain you can only play in .es sites, like pokestars.es, bwin.es and so on. If you are from France you can only play in .fr sites, like pokerstars.es. In Italy, you can only play in .it sites, and so on.

That is when we talk about FIAT but I have been trying to find info about the legality of playing in bitcoin sites if you are from one of those countries but I can’t find any clear information.

There seems to be a loophole.

Any of you know anything about it?


Gambling is totally prohibited in my country, India. So you can not find any legal casino in the whole country.  Though there is no regulation on any gambling website. you can visit and play in any website. I have never heard anyone arrested for gambling online. And there are lots of people who regularly visits the online gambling websites.

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Nowadays there are a few countries where online gambling is regulated and people from that country can only play on regulated sites. For example, in Spain you can only play in .es sites, like pokestars.es, bwin.es and so on. If you are from France you can only play in .fr sites, like pokerstars.es. In Italy, you can only play in .it sites, and so on.

That is when we talk about FIAT but I have been trying to find info about the legality of playing in bitcoin sites if you are from one of those countries but I can’t find any clear information.

There seems to be a loophole.

Any of you know anything about it?


Gambling is totally prohibited in my country, India. So you can not find any legal casino in the whole country.  Though there is no regulation on any gambling website. you can visit and play in any website. I have never heard anyone arrested for gambling online. And there are lots of people who regularly visits the online gambling websites.
I know that in some Muslim countries you visit sites with gambling may have problems but these countries are not democratic. There a man may be condemned under Sharia law. I recommend OP to use to visit banned sites public access points to the Internet. Always better to be safe.

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Different path same sistem ,again does not exit a global regulation.
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Nowadays there are a few countries where online gambling is regulated and people from that country can only play on regulated sites. For example, in Spain you can only play in .es sites, like pokestars.es, bwin.es and so on. If you are from France you can only play in .fr sites, like pokerstars.es. In Italy, you can only play in .it sites, and so on.

That is when we talk about FIAT but I have been trying to find info about the legality of playing in bitcoin sites if you are from one of those countries but I can’t find any clear information.

There seems to be a loophole.

Any of you know anything about it?


Different countries with their different rules over here, gambling sites are regulated and granted license to operate and that is why they adverstise openly with so much effrontery and I think for online bitcoin platform, we hide under the shadow of that and since we have to be online to play that too, that does not stop us from using bitcoin enabled sites. Also, there are other bitcoin sites that uses .com domain names while our local betting site also uses the same thing. This gave the opportunity that is not found in other advanced countries that try every means to regulate.

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October 10, 2017, 01:23:45 AM
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Nowadays there are a few countries where online gambling is regulated and people from that country can only play on regulated sites. For example, in Spain you can only play in .es sites, like pokestars.es, bwin.es and so on. If you are from France you can only play in .fr sites, like pokerstars.es. In Italy, you can only play in .it sites, and so on.

That is when we talk about FIAT but I have been trying to find info about the legality of playing in bitcoin sites if you are from one of those countries but I can’t find any clear information.

There seems to be a loophole.

Any of you know anything about it?


Different countries with their different rules over here, gambling sites are regulated and granted license to operate and that is why they adverstise openly with so much effrontery and I think for online bitcoin platform, we hide under the shadow of that and since we have to be online to play that too, that does not stop us from using bitcoin enabled sites. Also, there are other bitcoin sites that uses .com domain names while our local betting site also uses the same thing. This gave the opportunity that is not found in other advanced countries that try every means to regulate.

I think it is the same with us but bitcoin is not strictly prohibited nor supported fully by our government. Our president once stated that he will remove online gambling sites because most are deemed scams or phishing company. I would agree with him but this issue is not being faced fully because of some legislative issue trying to take down each other. Most gambling sites that i know outside my country sometimes ends in .com and .io. But so far I just use freebies to bet.

                                     
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October 10, 2017, 05:02:34 AM
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I have an endless respect and freedom against all gambling games in the country we are in. I have been using gambling sites that I have been able to play with Bitcoin since 2010, so far I have not had a problem.

It depends on the rules and regulation of their country but in our country, those are not legalized. In our country, if the governments find that we are betting on cricket matches and they will keep in jail.

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October 10, 2017, 06:09:57 AM
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Nowadays there are a few countries where online gambling is regulated and people from that country can only play on regulated sites. For example, in Spain you can only play in .es sites, like pokestars.es, bwin.es and so on. If you are from France you can only play in .fr sites, like pokerstars.es. In Italy, you can only play in .it sites, and so on.

That is when we talk about FIAT but I have been trying to find info about the legality of playing in bitcoin sites if you are from one of those countries but I can’t find any clear information.

There seems to be a loophole.

Any of you know anything about it?


it would be depends on the country government rules and regulations.in my country it is nor legalized. in my country were betting on horse race, cards game, and cricket betting and they will keep in the jail or giving them fine.gambling is totally prohibited in my country but in some places it may running with politicians support and other richest persons support.
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