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September 20, 2017, 09:14:40 PM Last edit: October 16, 2017, 09:58:48 AM by TiaanB |
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Whitepaperhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0BybTg_jDPV_eb21CVEwwS0Exb0U/view?usp=sharingWebsitehttps://tiaan48.github.io/devia.github.ioKickICO Campaignhttps://www.kickico.com/campaigns/1894/deviaKickICO Community Choice Votehttps://www.kickico.com/rating VisionOur vision is to create an ecosystem where people are able to sell their anonymous data and earn an incentive "tokens" for their data. From all the data collected, we are aiming to create the worlds biggest decentralized data base capable of creating one of the most advanced decentralized cloud based Ai platforms, which will be accessible by anybody and from anywhere. Ai will be democratized, and not be controlled by a single company. This will improve the lives of millions by assisting them in their daily tasks, ensuring that they have more time to spend on things they care about, while also paying them for their data. Problems1) The current biggest problem is that the data required to achieve true Ai / Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) is substantial. No single company are able to collect sufficient data. True Ai required millions of data points from various sources or people. We aim to bridge this gap by creating the worlds biggest community of users (trainers) providing their data in order to facilitate the development of Ai. 2) It is predicted that 40% of all jobs will be lost to Ai by 2030. While this may hold true, we believe that Ai will allow people to work less, and spend more time on things and with people they care about. We believe that selling data is the first step to a universal salary, that requires no work. 3) Companies are actively collecting user data online and selling this data to companies. This puts users at risk of having their personal data land into the wrong hands. We want to give back control to users, and ensure their privacy through blockchain technology. All the data that users share are anonymous, private, encrypted and stored on the blockchain. This means that no data can be traced back to a specific user. We are thus protecting the user, while also paying them for their data. 4) The other problem with data, is that it isn't very useful on its own. Data needs to be structure, which can take a very long time to accomplish. You also need some of the worlds best data scientists for this task. We will source some of the best scientists from the global community, and pay them in DVA tokens for structuring the data. Eventually we will move on to quantum computing which will be able to do this more effectively. How it worksUser registers on our Decentralized Application (DApp) and a wallet gets allocated to the user. The application will be made available across multiple platforms for easy access. The user is then provided with options on how much, and which types of data he/she wants to share. The more data the user shares, the more tokens he/she receives. Data that can be shared include Social Media Usage, App Usage, Browsing Interests, and Transaction Details. Data is currently one of the worlds most valuable resources, and the demand for data will drastically increase the value of DVA tokens, which will also serve as a great investment. The fact that there is only a limited amount of tokens, ensures that the value increases. Data collected will include: - Social Media Usage - Social Network Preference (Twitter, Facebook, Instagram), Pages Liked, Frequent Topic Searches - Browsing Interests - Products / Services you are interested in, News Feeds you read regularly, Preferred Commerce Stores, Ads you click on - Transactions - Methods of payment preferred, Average Online Spend - Location - To establish correlations between various geographic regions. Data will be used to create a visualization that would assist companies in delivering better and more suited products based on user interests and also to determine the best marketing channels. We are partnering with Civic, Butter Browser and Cygnal, which will provide users with even more options to share data and earn Devia (DVA) Tokens. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FmjTu4EH.png&t=665&c=Cqw--MfP0P7gzw) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FQ0qTK2D.png&t=665&c=PubfC7TWTeNNVQ) Process Flow Community Choice VoteTo participate, Visit https://www.kickico.com/ratingWe believe in what we are doing, and need the community support to make this campaign a success. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fx1DgTVZ.png&t=665&c=8nAntfB712e4dA) Advisor![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fqgf0ZVN.png&t=665&c=PHdfsjvPsES0aw)
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FreakCoder
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September 20, 2017, 09:17:32 PM |
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I don't get it. Isn't a pre-sale still a sale. Why not call it a sale? ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif)
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TiaanB (OP)
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September 20, 2017, 09:23:57 PM |
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Hi, This is a simply a discounted Pre-Sale to early adopters. So you could say that it is a pre-sale of a pre-sale, if that makes sense. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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September 20, 2017, 09:38:46 PM |
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Whitepaperhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/0BybTg_jDPV_eb21CVEwwS0Exb0U/view?usp=sharingKickICO Campaignhttps://www.kickico.com/campaigns/1894/deviaWhat is Devia?Devia is a Decentralized Cloud and Ai driven marketplace where companies pay users for their anonymous data and targeted ad click through purchases, which would ultimately lead to a more intelligent Ai assistant capable of assisting people in all aspects of life. VisionOur vision is to create an ecosystem where people are able to sell their anonymous data and earn an incentive "tokens" for their data. From all the data collected, we will be able to create the worlds most advanced decentralized cloud based Ai, that will be accessible by anybody and from their pockets. Ai will be democratized, and not be controlled by a single company. This will improve the lives of millions by assisting them in their daily tasks, ensuring that they have more time to spend on things they care about, while also paying them for their data. Problems1) The current biggest problem is that the data required to achieve true Ai / Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) is substantial. No single company are able to collect sufficient data. True Ai required millions of data points from various sources or people. We aim to bridge this gap by creating the worlds biggest community of users (trainers) providing their data in order to facilitate the development of Ai. 2) It is predicted that 40% of all jobs will be lost to Ai by 2030. While this may hold true, we believe that Ai will allow people to work less, and spend more time on things and with people they care about. We believe that selling data is the first step to a universal salary, that requires no work. 3) Companies are actively collecting user data online and selling this data to companies. This puts users at risk of having their personal data land into the wrong hands. We want to give back control to users, and ensure their privacy through blockchain technology. All the data that users share are anonymous, private, encrypted and stored on the blockchain. This means that no data can be traced back to a specific user. We are thus protecting the user, while also paying them for their data. 4) The other problem with data, is that it isn't very useful on its own. Data needs to be structure, which can take a very long time to accomplish. You also need some of the worlds best data scientists for this task. We will source some of the best scientists from the global community, and pay them in DVA tokens for structuring the data. Eventually we will move on to quantum computing which will be able to do this more effectively. How it worksUser registers on our Decentralized Application (DApp) and a wallet gets allocated to the user. The application will be made available across multiple platforms for easy access. The user is then provided with options on how much, and which types of data he/she wants to share. The more data the user shares, the more tokens he/she receives. Data that can be shared include Social Media Usage, App Usage, Browsing Interests, and Transaction Details. Data is currently one of the worlds most valuable resources, and the demand for data will drastically increase the value of DVA tokens, which will also serve as a great investment. The fact that there is only a limited amount of tokens, ensures that the value increases. We will partner with Civic, Butter Browser and Cygnal Bank, which will provide users with even more options to share data and earn Devia (DVA) Tokens. PRE-SALE DETAILSTo participate simply send ETH to Ethereum address from an ERC20 compatible wallet (eg myetherwallet, parity, metamask, mist). **DO NOT SEND FROM AN EXCHANGE** Presale start date: 20, Sept, 8 p.m. UTC. Presale end date: until $30 000 reached or 20, Oct, 8 p.m. UTC. (30 days) 1 DVA price: $0.02 (- 20% from 0.025) - for early adopters. Cap for closed presale: $30 000. Cap in ETH: 100 Ether price is fixed every day on the level of coinbase.com exchange price in USD. Investors will receive DVA tokens starting from 30, Sept, 8 p.m. UTC. Ethereum wallet for funds: 0x512EC6d53e2a97207Db6Ba5D1e88A22Fdb272835Before you invest, check amount already invested here: https://etherscan.io/address/0x512EC6d53e2a97207Db6Ba5D1e88A22Fdb272835Next round rules, November, 2017: 1 DVA price become $0.025 (+25%). With smart-contract. ICO round (Dec - Jan, 2017/18): 1 DVA price become $0.25 - 0.064 TeamTiaan ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.licdn.com%2Fmpr%2Fmpr%2Fshrinknp_200_200%2FAAEAAQAAAAAAAA0kAAAAJGI0NTY0NzI3LWE4OTctNDViOS04ZTVlLWIzYzQ1MGM0NjkwMw.jpg&t=665&c=0uDTjdjYw2RcyQ) Erich ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.kickico.com%2Fassets%2F_images%2F10931%2F49d2b55027c516a.jpeg&t=665&c=o9GmjD1bc00q9A) Harry AdvisorFabian ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fencrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcSlh3lyr8rHbqtLWrmbiq5lzkVNzDFDCnXtHhQjgNTvMgdqKEPX&t=665&c=7kC47QY4vnt2Bw) reserved Indonesian translate sir if needed ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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thechex
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September 20, 2017, 10:20:31 PM |
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Hi guys, scanned the white paper
1) where are you and the token issuing entity based?
2) do you plan to source primarily objective data or subjective too? Sourcing any user data in aggregate based on subjective input/view of reality should be concerned with inaccurate information sentiment not reflective of truth - depending on the topic.
"Anonymous data include Location of Purchases, Transaction Amounts and Establishment Types." Are you focused on automated objective data pulled from their device, software usage etc. or data that requires people answering specific questions (yes/no, or other) based on their life context, views, experience, expertise, etc?
For any subjectivity, just sourcing, structuring, organizing data is sort of the first primitive layer for AI development. Next layer could be assigning trusted specialists, ethical leaders etc. to properly weigh and qualify the data to draw more accurate conclusions, etc. There was a blockchain AI project presentation at Decentral camp at Burning Man that articulated this point, and they have a plan for Layer 2 as they are currently sourcing the yes/no etc input from people in exchange for tokens. Consider speaking to this point.
3) careful not to make unqualified claims like "we will be able to create the worlds most advanced decentralized cloud based AI" as there are brilliant people working on the same thing with existing traction/user data gathered, and you're raising on a concept with development commencing next year.
4) have you spoken to any of the companies you plan to partner with?
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QNaka
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September 20, 2017, 10:25:55 PM |
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KICKICO in action? Interesting... and only 1000 ETH is required - it looks good. So it is like new format of ICO. Are you sure that 200 000 baks is enough for implementation of such project?
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TiaanB (OP)
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September 21, 2017, 06:51:28 AM |
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Hi guys, scanned the white paper
1) where are you and the token issuing entity based
2) do you plan to source primarily objective data or subjective too? Sourcing any user data in aggregate based on subjective input/view of reality should be concerned with inaccurate information sentiment not reflective of truth - depending on the topic.
"Anonymous data include Location of Purchases, Transaction Amounts and Establishment Types." Are you focused on automated objective data pulled from their device, software usage etc. or data that requires people answering specific questions (yes/no, or other) based on their life context, views, experience, expertise, etc?
For any subjectivity, just sourcing, structuring, organizing data is sort of the first primitive layer for AI development. Next layer could be assigning trusted specialists, ethical leaders etc. to properly weigh and qualify the data to draw more accurate conclusions, etc. There was a blockchain AI project presentation at Decentral camp at Burning Man that articulated this point, and they have a plan for Layer 2 as they are currently sourcing the yes/no etc input from people in exchange for tokens. Consider speaking to this point.
3) careful not to make unqualified claims like "we will be able to create the worlds most advanced decentralized cloud based AI" as there are brilliant people working on the same thing with existing traction/user data gathered, and you're raising on a concept with development commencing next year.
4) have you spoken to any of the companies you plan to partner with?
Hi Chex.
Thank you for you interest. With regard to your above questions,
1) We are based in South Africa
2) We are mainly focused on automated objective data. We will however also give power back to the users by allowing them to limit the amount of data captured. We are looking into a voting system that could be based on a set of rules created by users globally. This will limit the capability of the Ai development, and ensure that it is being build with the purpose of improving lives. We are essentially creating an Ai community of contributors, scientists, and though leaders. The first focus would however be data and the incentivization thereof.
3)Thank you for pointing this out. I have changed the wording a bit to better reflect our purpose.
4)We have already partnered with Butter. We are currently in speaks with Civic.
Hope this answers your questions.
Best, Tiaan
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TiaanB (OP)
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September 21, 2017, 07:04:34 AM |
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KICKICO in action? Interesting... and only 1000 ETH is required - it looks good. So it is like new format of ICO. Are you sure that 200 000 baks is enough for implementation of such project?
Hi Naka, Thank you for your interest. KickICO have finished their ICO. We are part of the first few projects that will launch on their platform. Since it's PRE-ICO, it should be sufficient. The max cap on Pre-ICO is 4000 ETH. This will give us a good indication of the demand and the price point we need to set. The amount raised in Pre-ICO reflects 5% of the amount we will raise in ICO. So pre-ico x 20 will be our ICO target. Hope this answers your question. Best, Tiaan
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September 21, 2017, 09:22:50 AM |
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Which one is Erich there are 4 people into that pic. What is reason to choose Kickico platform that is incomplete and sorting out their ICO campaign. You have any official website with complete informative stuff about this project.
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TiaanB (OP)
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September 21, 2017, 09:40:27 AM |
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Which one is Erich there are 4 people into that pic. What is reason to choose Kickico platform that is incomplete and sorting out their ICO campaign. You have any official website with complete informative stuff about this project.
Hi, and thank you for your interest. Erich is the guy in the middle. We believe KickICO is a great platform for anyone to market themselves. We prefer working with them in order to improve our campaign, and we also want to support them for providing an amazing service. Their ICO campaign is finished, and projects will be launched soon. You can find all the information you need here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BybTg_jDPV_eb21CVEwwS0Exb0U/view?usp=sharingBest, Tiaan
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TiaanB (OP)
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September 21, 2017, 09:48:03 AM |
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Sorry but your whitepaper is full of garbage and your thread looks like junk. Nobody is going to raise 5 million for this
Your 'team' is also questionable. Provide more proof of identity
I am calling scam for now.
I'm sorry you feel that way. Your input is still valued either way, thanks. Nobody is forcing you to invest. If you don't like the campaign, go and find ones in which you are interested in. Best, Tiaan
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TiaanB (OP)
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September 21, 2017, 09:57:05 AM |
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Sorry but your whitepaper is full of garbage and your thread looks like junk. Nobody is going to raise 5 million for this
Your 'team' is also questionable. Provide more proof of identity
I am calling scam for now.
I'm sorry you feel that way. Your input is still valued either way, thanks. Nobody is forcing you to invest. If you don't like the campaign, go and find ones in which you are interested in. Best, Tiaan No defense? The quality of your ICO thread reflects how this will go. This looks like a scam It is not a scam, I can assure you. Is there anything specific that tells you it's a scam? We are always looking for ways to improve our campaign, and the community plays a key role. Thanks
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cryptomeo
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September 21, 2017, 10:02:21 AM |
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I am wondering Kickico should do a better job in supporting the ICO under their care? I kinda blame on the preparation and presentation.
Plus the way your reply is reflecting the level of professionalism. Here is a public forum you have to expect and prepare all type of reaction towards your project.
I hope you view my comment in a positive and constructive way.
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Fu.Sin
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September 21, 2017, 10:08:40 AM |
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And then everyone will know about you who do not need to know. As they say in secret to the whole world.
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TiaanB (OP)
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September 21, 2017, 10:13:00 AM |
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I am wondering Kickico should do a better job in supporting the ICO under their care? I kinda blame on the preparation and presentation.
Plus the way your reply is reflecting the level of professionalism. Here is a public forum you have to expect and prepare all type of reaction towards your project.
I hope you view my comment in a positive and constructive way.
Thank you cryptomeo, I appreciate your comment, and do see it as constructive feedback. Best, Tiaan
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TiaanB (OP)
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September 21, 2017, 10:36:23 AM |
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Early Adopter Sale
20% Discount
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September 21, 2017, 10:37:41 AM |
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How will you deliver AI to this project?
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TiaanB (OP)
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September 21, 2017, 10:43:08 AM |
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How will you deliver AI to this project?
Hi CFF, Thank you for you interest. Data collection and the interpretation thereof is the first step. User will share their anonymous data from their mobile devices, and receive DVA tokens for it. As we expand, we will start developing smarter Ai, and source some of the best Data Scientists and developers, who will also be rewarded in DVA tokens. Companies needing data visualization services will pay users that are sharing their data in DVA tokens. Hope this answers your question. Best, Tiaan
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September 21, 2017, 11:39:13 AM |
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I have not been interested to join ICO, maybe I will keep seeing the progress of this tread, but this project looks promising, hopefully not disappoint
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September 21, 2017, 12:34:27 PM |
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I'm looking for some coins to invest, I think this project deserves my attention. But for now I will see its development first. I will see if the dev of this project is pro active in its development or not, because it determines all aspects
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