Taxless and free society?

[blockcha1n]

Roger Ver is announcing that he's working together with a team to build a completely free society by buying off land in US/Europe or Asia.

Live stream was here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSF52B90xws

What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?

[bamboylee]

Roger Ver is announcing that he's working together with a team to build a completely free society by buying off land in US/Europe or Asia.

Live stream was here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSF52B90xws

What do you think, can this new country be born? Could we move there in 2-3 years? Would you be interested?

Nope. My country maybe full of corrupt officials and lots of problems everywhere but I will never replace it with another country.

[stupid_seb]

It is called the Principauté de Monaco

Works somehow on a Proof of Stake model: show the dough, live there, pay zero taxes

[emuLOAD]

Like with any extremist society, if all goes well it never comes to be. If all goes bad, it will exist and will be just as damaging as any other extremist society is and has been throughout history.

Seeking utopia never ends in anything good.

[European Central Bank]

if there's land then that means someone has jurisdiction over it. what are they gonna do? tell the local maniacs that they don't like their taxes and laws so please go away?

there's a reason seasteading is growing as an idea. that's the only way the normal crap from governments can be truly left behind. even then i'll wait to see that autonomy being put to the test before deciding it's great. anything at  sea has to nominate a national jurisdiction too.

[SiDtHeBeSt]

It would sound like a really good idea to many, but it isn't in my opinion, taxes are necessary for development, society should be free but people should pay taxes and government should use it for the welfare of the people.

[BingoDog]

This is utopia, such society could never exist. Only in some fairytale. How such country would be financed and how could political elites survive and who would pay for them? People are greedy and very selfish when their own interests are involved and that is why I don't beleive that ideal society is ever possible.

[romec1701]

This can only exist if resources are no longer finite (requirement for some form of next to free energy and the abilty to utilise this to shape matter) Sounds sci fi to me!

[Yanidas]

It is called the Principauté de Monaco

Works somehow on a Proof of Stake model: show the dough, live there, pay zero taxes

Sort of, Monaco has an extradition treaty with US. So for example if US would ever ban or prosecute crypto holders, Monaco wouldn't be safe for libertarians (Think Assange, Snowden).

[buwaytress]

Nope. My country maybe full of corrupt officials and lots of problems everywhere but I will never replace it with another country.

I can completely understand where you're coming from. It might be shitty, but it's my shit. I've seen the worst and I've seen the best, but my heart was won the day I first understood.

It would sound like a really good idea to many, but it isn't in my opinion, taxes are necessary for development, society should be free but people should pay taxes and government should use it for the welfare of the people.

People have no idea what they give up when the accept not to pay tax. Just ask the citizens of Brunei Darussalam. In fact, ask the rulers. They will have to admit that the tax-free experiment can only go so far. Taxes are necessary, unless the society is matured enough to understand their individual roles in collective responsibility. And be willing to play that role! But until the many believe the few will pick things up, a state needs to collect revenue.

[BCMB]

Who provides and pays for 'public goods' in a taxless society? How is road maintenance paid for? How is insurance subsidized? Who provides grants? Infrastructure?

[1NV3ST0NM3]

It is called the Principauté de Monaco

Works somehow on a Proof of Stake model: show the dough, live there, pay zero taxes

But the question is that without taxes how will the govt. Manage to accumulate funds? Leave every thing just tell who will take care of law and order? Such society is unimaginable.

[emuLOAD]

corporations, if it's the kind of libertarian society that allows corporations.

each will own, maintain, and charge for infrastructure. as long as it's profitable that is.

[eckmar]

If there are no taxes then everyone must have a role that person must fulfill in order for that to work. Knowing how people really behave that is possible only in theory. Someone would just feel lazy in practice

[emuLOAD]

But the question is that without taxes how will the govt. Manage to accumulate funds? Leave every thing just tell who will take care of law and order? Such society is unimaginable.

It's not unimaginable, it's just nonfunctional in practice. Law and order would be down to private entities, just like everything else.

[rmilly]

I wish this world existed, but it's too much like utopia. You have to consider greed and power that play huge factors in nations. Plus, taxes are for developing the nations. If we don't pay taxes, who's going to pay for the roads?

[darkangel11]

I don't see it happening because if they buy land, it won't be their land. It will still belong to the government of a country they're in. Every land you buy is on a permanent lease. Your children can take over, but if they die and there's nobody to inherit the land it goes back to the government. They have the right to enter your land if they suspect a crime is taking place, or if they need to dig out a pipe or make a road. You only think the land is yours until they come in and take it from you.

[gregall]

If we were to pursue a taxless society, how is the country going to develop? Taxes pay for just about everything from roads, schools, police, etc.

[rjefferson]

As much as I HATE paying taxes, it's still gotta happen. Bitcoin will probably make collection easier though

[stupid_seb]

It is called the Principauté de Monaco

Works somehow on a Proof of Stake model: show the dough, live there, pay zero taxes

But the question is that without taxes how will the govt. Manage to accumulate funds? Leave every thing just tell who will take care of law and order? Such society is unimaginable.

Swiss cantons model / Ireland model
--> still taxes, but extremely low in order to attract big bag holders and play the volume.


A taxless society is imho an utopia. Worst case scenario: in order to maintain regalian functions, like order, justice etc, a taxless gvt ha no other option than totalitarism to control the masses.
The anarchist bitching about taxes in the quiet comfort of his suburban-connected home is a laughable vision.


More seriously, if the right amount of tax is one question, but (again imho), for me the TRANSPARENCY and EQUITY of the system is key.

Typical example from France where I come from: the taxes are STAKED and it becomes ridiculous
1- you create 200EUR of value and your company transfers 100 to you as "brutto salary"
2- your company pays 40% of taxes on this -> 60 becomes your "gross income"
3- out of the remaining your are taxed 25% --> net income is now 45EUR
4- you purchase something: VAT is 20% --> 36EUR is your real buying power
5- if what you purchased has an utility, you may be taxed more (gas, housing, etc...)

In the end, out of 100EUR of redistributed value, you can maybe find 30EUR of bottom line purchasing power.
And you can be taxed on the usage of what you created. At least 70% is gone.
This figure is
1- to high (and it costs probably a lot to catch every tax, so there are massive losses for the gvt)
2- not transparent because staked.


My 50cents (15c actually...)