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September 23, 2017, 08:19:22 AM
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As I've written in the thread, you should summarize a list of account that need to be tagged.

Yeah I might do that at some point but at this time I'm trying to get a feel for which accounts are definitely sock-puppets and which are just gullible newbie fanbois suffering from 'sunk-cost' fallacy. So I tend to tag a bunch I have good reason to suspect are the scammer accounts and then can usually gauge from the subsequent behaviour whether they are.

It is clear that Signatum is merely their current scam-of-choice, as there are obvious connections to some other clonecoin scams they are involved in, such as 'Virta Unique Coin' and 'Altcommunity', which appear to have been left on hold while they play this one out for all they can get.

I'm also seeing suggestions of involvement with something called 'chaincoin' and a couple of others but, frankly, there are so many that at some point you just have to accept the limitations of what can actually be done to stop it and focus mostly on alerting newbies to the facts. I do remember during 2015 when a plethora of ridiculously-named coins were coming out, like 'Gorilla Bucks' with ticker names like 'NANAS', and thinking at the time that the scammers were simply taking the piss at that point and weren't even bothering to create credible-sounding projects.


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September 23, 2017, 08:46:07 AM
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As I've written in the thread, you should summarize a list of account that need to be tagged.

Yeah I might do that at some point but at this time I'm trying to get a feel for which accounts are definitely sock-puppets and which are just gullible newbie fanbois suffering from 'sunk-cost' fallacy. So I tend to tag a bunch I have good reason to suspect are the scammer accounts and then can usually gauge from the subsequent behaviour whether they are.

It is clear that Signatum is merely their current scam-of-choice, as there are obvious connections to some other clonecoin scams they are involved in, such as 'Virta Unique Coin' and 'Altcommunity', which appear to have been left on hold while they play this one out for all they can get.

I'm also seeing suggestions of involvement with something called 'chaincoin' and a couple of others but, frankly, there are so many that at some point you just have to accept the limitations of what can actually be done to stop it and focus mostly on alerting newbies to the facts. I do remember during 2015 when a plethora of ridiculously-named coins were coming out, like 'Gorilla Bucks' with ticker names like 'NANAS', and thinking at the time that the scammers were simply taking the piss at that point and weren't even bothering to create credible-sounding projects.


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September 23, 2017, 09:34:18 AM
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The Cryptodevil himself is a big scammer.

To dear moderator:

This Cryptodevil is scamming here and in the Signatum coin thread with his repeated scamming posts which have no argument or logical discussion. He also gave me negative rating unethically. The reason he mentioned to give me negative rating is utterly self proclaimed. I am active on several forums, not only in the Signatum thread. My profile would prove that. I am a newbie here which reflects my range of activity. My profile is genuine and naturally as a newcomer I would not have tons of activity in different forums. Signatum is my personal favourite and my own choice, and this cannot be a reason to give me negative rating. None of my posts are spam like his own posts are, rather my posts are logical discussion and interpretation. This guy is not only spamming here and there but also abusing the trust system seriously.

If you accuse Signatum as a scam, so is true for most of the other coins which are now in the top 100s list. There is no valid reason that you call a new coin which has gained so much popularity as a scam where the developers are still active. This coin is still immature and there are lot of scope for further development and practical implementation. You cannot just single out Signatum from its competitors with blind accusations and call a scam. Instead, what Cryptodevil is doing is injustice and spamming. I have never seen a thread with so much fudding at this level.

I hope that the moderators will take this issue seriously and do some justice.

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September 23, 2017, 09:42:51 AM
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As I've written in the thread, you should summarize a list of account that need to be tagged.

Yeah I might do that at some point but at this time I'm trying to get a feel for which accounts are definitely sock-puppets and which are just gullible newbie fanbois suffering from 'sunk-cost' fallacy. So I tend to tag a bunch I have good reason to suspect are the scammer accounts and then can usually gauge from the subsequent behaviour whether they are.

It is clear that Signatum is merely their current scam-of-choice, as there are obvious connections to some other clonecoin scams they are involved in, such as 'Virta Unique Coin' and 'Altcommunity', which appear to have been left on hold while they play this one out for all they can get.

I'm also seeing suggestions of involvement with something called 'chaincoin' and a couple of others but, frankly, there are so many that at some point you just have to accept the limitations of what can actually be done to stop it and focus mostly on alerting newbies to the facts. I do remember during 2015 when a plethora of ridiculously-named coins were coming out, like 'Gorilla Bucks' with ticker names like 'NANAS', and thinking at the time that the scammers were simply taking the piss at that point and weren't even bothering to create credible-sounding projects.


thanks ; i'll stay away

For some reason, some people are scamming against signatum here and in the Signatum thread. I would advise, do your own research and then take decision, not based on anyone's comment/post here or in other threads.

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September 23, 2017, 11:33:28 AM
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 Grin Grin Wondered how long it would take before I received a negative status, this @CryptoDevil honestly thinks anybody cares about the trust rating on bitcoin talk?. The fact that he does clearly indicates he must live in an authoritarian, possibly dictatorial country, where people are easily subdued by threats or reprisal.

You have allowed yourself to freely express your opinion, and spam on any thread, and yet you feel that nobody has the right to contest or counter that opinion, wake up.

You could give me the maximum amount of negative status, it really would not matter to me or anyone else, so please continue. As a matter of fact i challenge you to give me the MAXIMUM possible, I would really appreciate that, it makes me stand out more in the talk threads, as a matter of fact even with this that you have already gifted, i still stand out, "Infamy and Fame walk hand in hand"

Ironic that you have actually drawn more attention, to the users you where ultimately trying to silence  Wink

My only concern is I don't think you will have the powers invested, to give me more, I feel i may be talking to a false Devil.

So if you don't mind, at your earliest convenience could you please give me the maximum level of negative trust, I know your a busy kid giving everybody else negatives but if you could please fast track my order for more i would greatly appreciate that.

Kind regards.

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PS. I am not Joking, I need at least -50

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September 23, 2017, 02:04:03 PM
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This Cryptodevil is scamming here
He is not.

and in the Signatum coin thread with his repeated scamming posts which have no argument or logical discussion.
There is no such thing as "repeated scamming posts".

He also gave me negative rating unethically.
Maybe, maybe not. It depends on who you ask.

The reason he mentioned to give me negative rating is utterly self proclaimed.
That's the whole idea behind the trust system, "self-proclaimed" ratings based on the view of the individual users. You are free to tag someone for something, or free to not do so (although DT comes with a *implied responsibility*, but this is not the thread to discuss that).

Signatum is my personal favourite and my own choice, and this cannot be a reason to give me negative rating.
Nobody in their right mind, with an IQ that surpasses that of a monkey, could honestly state such a thing. Sure, you can choose random scam/shit coins hoping to profit. However, making one of such your "personal favorite" is a huge warning sign.

This guy is not only spamming here and there but also abusing the trust system seriously.
I don't think you will find plenty of people, those with actual seniority and knowledge regarding the trust system, that will agree with you on that.

I hope that the moderators will take this issue seriously and do some justice.
Trust ratings are not moderated unless there is extreme abuse (and in this case, they can only be removed by Theymos). This is not such a case, not even close.

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September 23, 2017, 02:10:05 PM
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Hm According to the Signatum thread it is a "fairly launched" coin  Roll Eyes...
OCminer listed the coin... Roll Eyes
The coin is listed on exchange "cryptopia"  Roll Eyes
And I noticed some sockpuppets of user "Digitalindustry"  Roll Eyes (for the people who don't know who is "digitalindustry" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=781954.0)

I think I can add Signatum to my list. It would not surprise me if Signatum is from the same copy coin cloner:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1966967.0
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September 23, 2017, 02:52:27 PM
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It would not surprise me if Signatum is from the same copy coin cloner:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1966967.0

It wouldn't surprise me either. Many of the shill accounts on that thread have similar 'tastes' in clonecoins it seems. Although some of their sock-puppetry is a bit lazy, take a look at this account created solely to create a raft of pump posts in a period of only 12 hours:
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C'mon guys.. sell sell sell, let me keep getting these cheap coins and return a huge profit Cheesy
Just funny how ppl get scared and sell out cheap Cheesy  more for us I guess >.<

It actually looks like some ppl is artificially trying to dump the prices by inputting smaller and smaller sales orders to dump the prices and get ppl scared to the sell at these cheap prices. I'm not complaining Cheesy

Hehehe, Believe me mate.. If I had more money to invest at the moment I would definitely buy more coins. it will skyrocket pretty within very short time.
It won't be this low for long thou Smiley
Just look at the graphs, the price of the coin shows every sign to flatten out and then swing back up now.

The spiraling downward price was caused of false rumors and people dumping, The price will be at least double within very short time.


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September 23, 2017, 05:34:45 PM
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It would not surprise me if Signatum is from the same copy coin cloner:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1966967.0

It wouldn't surprise me either. Many of the shill accounts on that thread have similar 'tastes' in clonecoins it seems. Although some of their sock-puppetry is a bit lazy, take a look at this account created solely to create a raft of pump posts in a period of only 12 hours:
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C'mon guys.. sell sell sell, let me keep getting these cheap coins and return a huge profit Cheesy
Just funny how ppl get scared and sell out cheap Cheesy  more for us I guess >.<

It actually looks like some ppl is artificially trying to dump the prices by inputting smaller and smaller sales orders to dump the prices and get ppl scared to the sell at these cheap prices. I'm not complaining Cheesy

Hehehe, Believe me mate.. If I had more money to invest at the moment I would definitely buy more coins. it will skyrocket pretty within very short time.
It won't be this low for long thou Smiley
Just look at the graphs, the price of the coin shows every sign to flatten out and then swing back up now.

The spiraling downward price was caused of false rumors and people dumping, The price will be at least double within very short time.


@CryptoDevil, I was not being humorous, I actually need as much negative trust as you can give me, this one favor please, it was boring having no trust level, nobody paid attention to me in the thread, however, since you have given me negative trust, shit got real, more people respond to my posts than ever before, as i clearly stand out.

I am now like the Terminator when i enter the thread, but I would like to be more bad ass like terminator, with two guns.

Thanks CryptoDevil, but i need more please

Kind regards,

Lord Epicyclic

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September 23, 2017, 07:56:54 PM
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It would not surprise me if Signatum is from the same copy coin cloner:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1966967.0

It wouldn't surprise me either. Many of the shill accounts on that thread have similar 'tastes' in clonecoins it seems. Although some of their sock-puppetry is a bit lazy, take a look at this account created solely to create a raft of pump posts in a period of only 12 hours:
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C'mon guys.. sell sell sell, let me keep getting these cheap coins and return a huge profit Cheesy
Just funny how ppl get scared and sell out cheap Cheesy  more for us I guess >.<

It actually looks like some ppl is artificially trying to dump the prices by inputting smaller and smaller sales orders to dump the prices and get ppl scared to the sell at these cheap prices. I'm not complaining Cheesy

Hehehe, Believe me mate.. If I had more money to invest at the moment I would definitely buy more coins. it will skyrocket pretty within very short time.
It won't be this low for long thou Smiley
Just look at the graphs, the price of the coin shows every sign to flatten out and then swing back up now.

The spiraling downward price was caused of false rumors and people dumping, The price will be at least double within very short time.


No doubt, "Thedudemeister" = Digitalindustry (DI) Wink

I scrolled a little bit through the Signatum thread and found many typical DI sockpuppets.
Here another one:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2030529.msg21078520#msg21078520
or this one:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2030529.msg22147629#msg22147629

Compare writing style of "habeas_corpus" and  "shankar94" for example with these posts (scroll up and down to see more posts of him on the same page):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=241445.msg2561719#msg2561719

I still vote this one as the most stupidest sockpuppet of DI ever:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=241445.msg2581363#msg2581363

To clarify, DI is not the copy coin cloner. That is account user "Signatum".
Account user Signatum cooperates closely with DI, who scams his copied coins. DI lives in Australia (maybe that explains his word choice like "mate").
For some coins the copy coin cloner and DI share their account (for example for quarkcoin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260031.msg8810554#msg8810554).

For Chaincoin and UNO the copy coin cloner use another (I think German) scammer, who also creates dozens of sockpuppets to cheer for his coin.


Edit:

In this thread he also posts with sockpuppets:
"Brunosa": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2198496.msg22100194#msg22100194
And "Epicyclic"  see above
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September 23, 2017, 09:02:04 PM
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In this thread he also posts with sockpuppets:
"Brunosa": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2198496.msg22100194#msg22100194
And "Epicyclic"  see above
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Oh well, guess we are cut from the same cloth then, you and I.

I am a sockpuppet, and you are a cocksock.

I have a hand up my ass, you have a cock in yours. Horses for courses.

Anyway big favor to ask, could you be ever so kind as to leave me negative trust rating old bean, I am not sure one will sleep very well tonight unless you do. Wink

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September 23, 2017, 09:13:53 PM
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In this thread he also posts with sockpuppets:
"Brunosa": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2198496.msg22100194#msg22100194
And "Epicyclic"  see above


Oh well, guess we are cut from the same cloth then, you and I.

I am a sockpuppet, and you are a cocksock.

I have a hand up my ass, you have a cock in yours. Horses for courses.

Anyway big favor to ask, could you be ever so kind as to leave me negative trust rating old bean, I am not sure one will sleep very well tonight unless you do. Wink

Lol DI
If you talk to me like that I always confuse you with Spoetnik Wink

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=833442.msg9362843#msg9362843
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Lol....scam or not I made a small fortune mining it when it first came out. I still hold a good amount in case it ever matures into something worth having. Holding pays off 90% of the time, even if it's a dead end project.
That's good for you, but there's always people who make money on Ponzi schemes, but
only in the beginning.  After that, everyone loses except for the perpetrator of said Ponzi.  So
your argument carries no weight.  Cryptodevil is probably right, this is a scam.  Have to say,
though, I've never even heard of Signatum.  Nor do I put any money in ICOs, even if I do rent
out my signature for them occasionally.

Best thing anyone can do is ignore that whole altcoin ANN section.  It's nothing but a festering
load of dung that attracts flies (noobs).



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September 23, 2017, 09:31:03 PM
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In this thread he also posts with sockpuppets:
"Brunosa": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2198496.msg22100194#msg22100194
And "Epicyclic"  see above


Oh well, guess we are cut from the same cloth then, you and I.

I am a sockpuppet, and you are a cocksock.

I have a hand up my ass, you have a cock in yours. Horses for courses.

Anyway big favor to ask, could you be ever so kind as to leave me negative trust rating old bean, I am not sure one will sleep very well tonight unless you do. Wink

Lol DI
If you talk to me like that I always confuse you with Spoetnik Wink

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=833442.msg9362843#msg9362843

Yes that is good, I suppose if you are being referred to as a cock, eating cocks, or possessing one in your anus a lot, you may need to re-evaluate if there is any truth to it, however, I need negative trust, would you be so kind as to leave me some, please.
i would like to be the most villainous account holder on Shitcointalk.

It is my destiny.

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September 24, 2017, 03:11:41 AM
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Cryptovore was a user at the launch and now he is mentioned as a team member, due to his contribution to the project.
I don't know what kind of scamming it is, LOL.
This kinda really hard delirium.
And whats wrong with his blog? Crypto-blog, launched 2017-06-07 ( 07 june i guess), at the beginning of crypto-gold rush, it's a crime?
there is  my answers to this guy at the signatum thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2030529.msg22141309#msg22141309
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2030529.msg22143926#msg22143926
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2030529.msg22144325#msg22144325
Still without any reasonable counter arguments.
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September 24, 2017, 07:51:28 AM
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This Cryptodevil is scamming here
He is not.


He is. You cannot say he is not scamming without argument. Signatum is not a scam coin. A lot of people are still mining it. The devs are active. You cannot just call it scam. If you do, you yourself are scamming.

and in the Signatum coin thread with his repeated scamming posts which have no argument or logical discussion.
There is no such thing as "repeated scamming posts".

Again, that proves that you have no idea what he is doing in the Signatum post. He is spamming there with false accusations continuously - this is nothing but repeated scamming. I might be newbie here, but that does not necessarily restrain me from knowing that repeated posts without logical argument are not allowed in standard forums. I thought bitcointalk is a standard one.

He also gave me negative rating unethically.
Maybe, maybe not. It depends on who you ask.

That is what I am saying. You don't know either. Someone neutral and fair should judge it, not a biased person like you or me.

The reason he mentioned to give me negative rating is utterly self proclaimed.
That's the whole idea behind the trust system, "self-proclaimed" ratings based on the view of the individual users. You are free to tag someone for something, or free to not do so (although DT comes with a *implied responsibility*, but this is not the thread to discuss that).

There should always be a level of acceptance of self proclamation. When some abuses this, it should be reviewed. That is the whole idea behind my seeking 'justice'.

Signatum is my personal favourite and my own choice, and this cannot be a reason to give me negative rating.
Nobody in their right mind, with an IQ that surpasses that of a monkey, could honestly state such a thing. Sure, you can choose random scam/shit coins hoping to profit. However, making one of such your "personal favorite" is a huge warning sign.

You are no one to decide what my IQ is. I can say the same thing about you. People first called electricity as devil's power and rejected the scientists as mad people.
Whatever, again it is my decision which 'shitcoin' I choose. If it becomes the standard of giving negative rating, then whole rating system is being abused. This is the opposite of independence and decentralization. If someone tries to control people's choice of cryptocurrency, it becomes centralized. That is the opposite of decentralization. Well, you can always warn against a coin which you think a scam but that is it. You have no right to give someone negative rating solely based on what you think is right. This is not only my case. He his abusing a whole community. He is not warning people against a valid coin, he is fighting, scamming and abusing it.

This guy is not only spamming here and there but also abusing the trust system seriously.
I don't think you will find plenty of people, those with actual seniority and knowledge regarding the trust system, that will agree with you on that.

Definitely you do not agree with me, that does not necessarily mean that others won't.

I hope that the moderators will take this issue seriously and do some justice.
Trust ratings are not moderated unless there is extreme abuse (and in this case, they can only be removed by Theymos). This is not such a case, not even close.

He is giving every Signatum supporters negative trust rating. This is like genocide, where you try to destroy a whole community. If you still believe that he is not extremely abusing the system, all I can say is you are also a part of his game.

Signatum is ranked in the top 300 coins list. All these bullying are a planned game where big whales are playing. May be Cryptodevil is getting richer by now.

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September 25, 2017, 04:05:45 PM
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I'm starting to think you are right, i'm a guy that is hard to convince me of anything. I feel something is off here with SIGT.
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September 26, 2017, 03:09:55 PM
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Dump it  while you can
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September 28, 2017, 09:49:28 AM
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i defend signatum but now im out.. look this
this is the signatum dev
http://www.npr.org/2016/01/26/464305069/songs-we-love-the-range-florida

i defended signatum but now i understand this is a scam... i sell all good luck gut and good music

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCD5qNkPUJGNSjXb04ZQIgbg

for me if you create a coin you need to put your face in...

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September 28, 2017, 12:21:13 PM
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i defend signatum but now im out.. look this
this is the signatum dev
http://www.npr.org/2016/01/26/464305069/songs-we-love-the-range-florida

Are you saying this picture is used by the Signatum dev on a fake profile?

Do you have a link for it?


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