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October 17, 2017, 05:21:18 PM
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Ah bon, c'est intéressant ça. Tu peux développer sur la médiocrité du minage de Monero ?

Tu peux chercher de l'information mais il y a le même problème que pour le bitcoin avec, pour Monero, 3 pool minier qui représentent une immense majorité de la puissance de minage. Je te laisse faire tes propres recherches. Maintenant il est tout à fait envisageable que monero change d'algorythme de minage aussi dans le futur. L'algorythme ça peut évoluer.

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October 18, 2017, 03:00:08 PM
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Et en quoi c'est différent de TOUS les coins en PoW ?

Et, à la différence d'à peu près tous les algo, cryptonight se mine essentiellement en CPU et possiblement aussi en GPU mais on lui préfère en général des coins plus rentables. Sur mes deux PC, j'utilise 4 coeurs ou 6 coeurs et je mets en nice +10 (ou priorité basse) pour rester tranquille. Je bosse et ça mine en background.

Je ne vois pas de coins qui font mieux. Même en PoS, tu es en stakepool.

Et pour les coins qui ont pas mal de pool, ce sont les deux ou trois qui ont des fees à - de 1% qui concentrent la grande majorité du minage.
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October 18, 2017, 09:59:34 PM
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Quelqu'un s'y connait vraiment sur Verge ?

Pour avoir un avis un peu plus approfondi.
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October 20, 2017, 05:32:07 AM
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Franchement Zen, Komodo et Verge, sur les trois il devrait en avoir une qui devrait exploser ;-D
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Alors pour l'instant c'est Zen qui a les faveurs des investisseurs. Cette nuit, le cours est passé de 7$ à 23$.
Cela suite à un rapport d'un groupe d'investisseurs "Palm Beach Confidential"

Ils recommandent le titre et voient le cours exlposer à 250$ / 500$ d'ici 1 à 2 ans
https://docs.google.com/document/d/15cj5c1YEvpfRN4tLDr8s2uMOdrDG0x6quuGmLLTOyh8/preview

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That would take the price from around $7 per coin to between $250 and $500 per coin.

Mais il y a surtout un passage qui traite des points faibles et forces des différents coins qui est très intéressant. je le mets ci-après pour archivage

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The Four Problems With Current Privacy Coins

The world’s privacy coins are each solving small parts of the overall privacy problem.

Zcash wants to keep your transactions and wealth secret.Dash wants to be a commerce coin with optional privacy.Monero wants to be untraceable digital cash.

Each of these coins has done great work in its relative niche… but each has fundamental drawbacks.

Drawback No. 1: Inadequate Funding Model

Monero’s funding model relies on developers donating their time to the project. They are not paid to improve Monero. Perhaps that’s why there still isn’t a user-friendly mobile wallet.

Zcash’s funding model is only in place for the first four years. After that, Zcash is expected to rely on the “community” for further development.

Only Dash has truly sustainable long-term development funding through its treasury model. Dash’s design sends 10% of the mining reward into a treasury to pay for ongoing development.

For long-term success, a privacy coin must have a self-funding model.

Drawback No. 2: Not Fully Secure

Privacy coins aren’t as anonymous as advertised. To our knowledge, no cryptocurrency today employs end-to-end encryption.

End-to-end encryption is a system of communication. In this system, only communicating users can read the messages they send and receive. No eavesdropper can access the messages.

Without end-to-end encryption, anyone monitoring the network could see all traffic across all blockchains.

This means governments could track down the origin of transactions and identify users.

Here are two examples of so-called untraceable coins getting traced…

In 2016, federal law enforcement agents seized nearly 12,000 Monero coins.

And this year, law enforcement agents seized nearly 3,700 Zcash coins from the late Alexandre Cazes, the alleged leader of dark market drug purveyor AlphaBay.

Obviously, the government did not publicize how it was able to track down these “untraceable” coins. But it makes sense that the lack of end-to-end encryption could have played a role in unmasking these transactions.

While you and I have no interest in running an illegal drug bazaar, there are many legitimate reasons to want privacy. For instance, do you want everyone to know exactly what you buy or what causes you support?

The government has a history of persecution based on political beliefs.

In 2013, news broke that the IRS had targeted organizations affiliated with the Tea Party.

Let’s say you want to give money to WikiLeaks, a website that publishes secrets and classified information from anonymous sources.

If you donate publicly, the government could use that information to deny you a security clearance or federal job. Even private sector jobs could discriminate against you.

What if you want to give money to a pro-life or a pro-choice charity? Either choice could lead to employer and/or social discrimination.

The point is there are lots of legitimate reasons to keep your financial transactions secret. Without end-to-end encryption, you can’t be sure you are safe.

Drawback No. 3: Easily Blocked

As governments become more fearful of cryptocurrencies, they’ll try to block your access to them. We’re already seeing this in China and Russia.

China has shut down its domestic crypto exchanges. The Russian central bank has said it will block access to all cryptocurrency trading websites.

Governments will enforce these bans by making Internet Service Providers (ISPs) keep a list of banned sites.

You literally will not be able to connect to these sites. Dash, Monero, and Zcash have no way to overcome this type of government blocking.

This is a huge flaw in today’s leading privacy coins.

Drawback No. 4: They Only Handle Payments

Dash, Monero, and Zcash are primarily designed to handle the transfer of money.

Zcash offers something slightly different with its private messaging function.

Dash also has unique offerings like “instant send,” which allows you to receive money instantly.

The privacy coin of the future must be able to do more than move money.

It must have built-in messaging.It must allow anonymous data publishing and storage.It must have end-to-end encryption and be unblockable.And of course, it must be able to handle the anonymous transfer of money.

None of the current privacy coin leaders have all of those functions… except ZenCash.

Why ZenCash Will Become the Most Widely Used Privacy Coin

Earlier, I told you ZenCash is the brainchild of three ex-military men.

This is important because if you believe in the saying “it takes a thief to catch a thief,” then you’ll understand the value these military insiders bring to a privacy ecosystem.

Throughout their careers, these founders have had ringside seats to how governments really operate.

That’s why they shed their government careers and devoted their professional lives to the creation of a total privacy platform.

The ZenCash team has designed a platform that will plug the holes that plague the current privacy coins.

Plug No. 1: Robust Funding Model

Developing software costs money… lots of money.

Traditional software firms rely on issuing stock, sometimes bonds, and on rare occasions, actual earnings to fund their operations.

Typically, cryptocurrency projects rely on community donations of time and skill.

Relying on the goodwill of others is not a long-term scalable solution.

The other problem with relying on a community of developers is that a small group of folks ends up steering the project.

This results in a centralized development team, which can lead to a weaker project.

We like decentralized development teams. In that model, the community votes on which aspects of development get priority.

When you have a funding mechanism that the community votes on, it ensures the best ideas and the most committed developers are getting the money they need to keep improving the project.

ZenCash has solved this problem by using a “Treasury Model.”

Every 2.5 minutes, 12.5 ZenCash gets mined. Under its Treasury Model, 88% of the mining reward goes to the miners. The ZenCash Foundation Treasury gets 8.5%.

(I’ll explain where the rest goes in a moment.)

Right now, 7,200 new ZenCash gets mined each day. Of that, 612 coins (8.5%) go to the ZenCash Foundation Treasury.

At current prices, that’s $4,284 per day… or $1,563,600 each year.

Now, remember: ZenCash is only at $7 right now. As the price starts rising, we’ll see the treasury allocation rise along with it.

This model ensures that ZenCash will have a steady supply of capital to pay for its ongoing development without having to engage in dilutive coin offerings.

This funding model means ZenCash will always have the money needed to keep growing and improving.

Plug No. 2: End-to-End Encryption

Earlier, I mentioned that ZenCash is on the cusp of a major announcement that will bring in a flood of new investors.

It has to do with end-to-end encryption.

As of this writing, there is not a single cryptocurrency that offers end-to-end encryption.

ZenCash is about to fix that with a solution it calls “secured nodes.”

According to the white paper, secured nodes “ensure the system remains distributed, resilient, and secure. By enforcing encrypted communication between nodes, and between nodes and wallets, Zen protects against eavesdropping […]”

As I mentioned earlier, end-to-end encryption helps thwart government efforts at linking network traffic to users’ identities.

As regimes such as China and Russia’s become more hostile to cryptocurrencies, this service will become a must-have option.

The secured node network is being beta-tested right now. It will go live in two to four weeks.

Right now, there are 170 test secure nodes. The founders estimate they will have 1,000 secured nodes by the end of the first quarter of 2018.

They expect such rapid growth because anyone operating a secured node will be entitled a share in 3.5% of the mining reward.

We think this is a very smart way of ensuring the ZenCash network stays highly distributed and secure.

Plug No. 3: “Domain Fronting”

As I write this, Russia’s central bank has announced it will block its citizens from accessing cryptocurrency websites.

As already mentioned, China has shut down its domestic cryptocurrency trading platforms.

The founders of ZenCash have long known this day would come. That’s why they built “domain fronting” into ZenCash.

With domain fronting, you can make a domain (website) you’re trying to access look like something else.

For instance, if you are in Russia and want to access a ZenCash wallet, domain fronting would make your network request look like you were going to an approved website.

Here’s another way to think about domain fronting…

It’s like having a plane ticket that says you are flying to London. This lets you pass the security checkpoint. Except once you’ve passed security, the ticket changes and lets you fly to Cuba without anyone knowing.

ZenCash is the only privacy coin we know of that will have domain-fronting capability. As more governments become hostile to cryptocurrencies, this is another feature that will be critical to a privacy coin’s success.

That’s why we expect the global demand for domain fronting to soar, and ZenCash along with it…

Again, as of this writing, ZenCash is the only privacy coin that offers domain fronting.

Plug No. 4: Full Privacy Platform

ZenCash is more than just a way to send and receive money anonymously. It is a full privacy platform that other developers can build upon.

So instead of having to build your own privacy platform from scratch, you can build applications on top of the ZenCash system.

Here are some of the different applications you’ll see launch on the ZenCash platform.

ZenTalk is a secure communications network that allows you to broadcast a message from one person to many people. Think of it like an encrypted invitation-only Twitter feed.ZenPub is a platform that will let you publish and store documents anonymously.ZenHide is the domain fronting service. ZenHide will give users the ability to circumnavigate crypto-commerce blocking.

On top of all that, ZenCash includes the ability to send and receive money anonymously (or publicly if you wish). Plus, you can use it as a one-to-one private messaging system.

In addition, ZenCash can work with other blockchains (that means it’s interoperable).

Let’s say you want to set up an Ethereum smart contract but handle the payment via a ZenCash shielded address.

In the future, you’ll be able to do that.

This rich set of features makes ZenCash more than just a privacy coin.

It’s a privacy platform… and platforms are incredibly valuable.

This is because platforms attract other developers. And more developers equate to more apps, which equate to more users.

More users equal more demand for ZenCash, and that, my friends, equals much higher prices ahead.


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January 04, 2018, 09:46:21 AM
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Quelqu'un s'y connait vraiment sur Verge ?

Pour avoir un avis un peu plus approfondi.
J'ai fait une petite vidéo ici : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E6TD5vPYTI pour comparer un peu leurs technologies de la privacy.
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January 04, 2018, 01:23:31 PM
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Comment ça personne n'a mentionné le spectrecoin ??
 Pour moi les meilleurs sont : Spectrecoin (en premier) puis le cloakcoin.
Après j'aime pas mal aussi le Komodo !
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January 04, 2018, 01:23:42 PM
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Salut ,

En terme de privacy coin, moi j'ai reperé SPECTRECOIN XSPEC . Voici une petite vidéo de présentation :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_2AwPE-WW4

Elle vient de décooler mais le potentiel est énorme quand on voit ce qu'ont déjà fait les autres notamment Verge. Et Spectrecoin n'a rien à envier aux autres en termes techniques voire plutôt l'inverse !...

Nouveaux portefeuille qui va sortir , nouveau website...ça bosse bien et les avis sont très positifs quand on passe un peu de temps à parcourir les réseaux...Enfin Slack très actif et dévs qui répondent rapidement...

EDIT : ah ben énorme teazy quasi en même temps !
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January 04, 2018, 01:32:55 PM
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Quelqu'un s'y connait vraiment sur Verge ?

Pour avoir un avis un peu plus approfondi.
J'ai fait une petite vidéo ici : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E6TD5vPYTI pour comparer un peu leurs technologies de la privacy.

Sympa la video, merci. Il faut déjà quoi pour faire monter les verges? j'ai pas saisi à la fin  Cheesy
Sinon le Wraith protocol est sorti...

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January 04, 2018, 01:50:41 PM
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Sympa la video, merci. Il faut déjà quoi pour faire monter les verges? j'ai pas saisi à la fin  Cheesy
Sinon le Wraith protocol est sorti...
Lool. On me l'a fait plusieurs fois le coup de la verge Smiley

PS : La vidéo n'est pas d'aujourd'hui.
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January 04, 2018, 01:55:23 PM
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Je n'y connais absolument rien en monnaies anonymes, je ne me permettrai pas de juger telle ou telle monnaie. Par contre, si XSPEC a autant de potentiel, le coin n'est qu'à 5$, ce qui est assez peu comparé à ses concurrentes.

par contre, j'ai remarqué qu'il y avait déjà 20 millions de XSPEC qui circulaient. Ce qui est davantage que Monero, Zcash, Zcoin et Dash, alors que la monnaie semble + jeune. Qu'est ce que cela peut nous apporter d'utile pour se positionner ?
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January 04, 2018, 03:22:42 PM
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Franchement Zen, Komodo et Verge, sur les trois il devrait en avoir une qui devrait exploser ;-D
Outsider : Zcoin


Alors pour l'instant c'est Zen qui a les faveurs des investisseurs. Cette nuit, le cours est passé de 7$ à 23$.
Cela suite à un rapport d'un groupe d'investisseurs "Palm Beach Confidential"

Ils recommandent le titre et voient le cours exploser à 250$ / 500$ d'ici 1 à 2 ans

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2292304.msg23263845

Ce qui est marrant dans toutes ces discussions sur les coins anonymes c'est de voir à quel point tout le monde se contrefout de DO ;)
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January 10, 2018, 07:39:21 PM
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En crypto anonyme le PivX s'en sort très bien aussi. Full PoS avec un système de masternodes, protocole Zerocoin pour l'anonymat et un wallet officiel qui marche bien. C'est un fork de Dash à l'origine.
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January 10, 2018, 08:41:22 PM
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Oui oui, le pivx, je plussoie, ravi de la montée de cette action, équipe compétente !

Un tiens vaut mieux que 2 tu l'auras
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