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October 05, 2014, 01:06:48 AM
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Peter Schiff, Just rants about bitcoin because he sees it as a threat to gold and silver ... besides there consumptive value they do provide a decent ledger for money but bitcoin has the best ledger and therefore will devalue the worth of the store of value that gold has ...

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October 19, 2014, 04:05:36 PM
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Since Peter started doing his weekly podcasts he's talked about bitcoin a few times.  I sometimes forget to post it.  But on his YouTube video descriptions are links to when he talks about it.

Podcast #5 @ 30:49
http://youtu.be/nYiyQl7O6HI

Podcast #6 @ 45:00
http://youtu.be/Ob8stmxfbFg

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October 20, 2014, 09:02:59 AM
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It's funny, I am interested in when Schiff is going to condone bitcoin, I know he will at some point.

Just like I know bitcoin will explode at some point.
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October 20, 2014, 06:07:43 PM
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Peter Schiff, Just rants about bitcoin because he sees it as a threat to gold and silver ... besides there consumptive value they do provide a decent ledger for money but bitcoin has the best ledger and therefore will devalue the worth of the store of value that gold has ...



Central banks will only hold tangible asset such as gold, which has proven to be "money" for 1000 years.

Can't really compare bitcoin to gold at this point.

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October 21, 2014, 12:40:24 AM
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Peter Schiff, Just rants about bitcoin because he sees it as a threat to gold and silver ... besides there consumptive value they do provide a decent ledger for money but bitcoin has the best ledger and therefore will devalue the worth of the store of value that gold has ...



Thats not it really.   Bitcoin is not backed by anything, its the same complaint he has about dollars.   His dad stood before the senate objecting to the moves by Nixon to separate dollar from gold, his family has objections on this point going back 4 decades.   If there was a criticism its that Schiff is not seeing the detail to bitcoin, it is just this point that its not exchangeable at a fixed rate for anything.   So people who save btc have no contract to own anything exact, its a fair point but its flexibility is also a strength.
   He wants it to be like GLD which we all know would be a failure, not distributed, so he is ignorant on technology most likely

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October 26, 2014, 04:53:33 AM
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so he is ignorant on technology most likely

He's not ignorant.  In the absence of governments that raid private gold vaults in order to shut down competing gold backed currencies, he'd be correct.  None of us who knows what we are talking about disputes this.  Bitcoin would be inferior to digital gold warehouse reciepts if they were allowed to compete.  But, of course, they are not; and that is part of the design advantage of Bitcoin.  There is no gold storage vault to raid.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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October 26, 2014, 04:14:38 PM
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Central banks will only hold tangible asset such as gold, which has proven to be "money" for 1000 years.

Central banks used paper as their method of accounting for 1000 years. They switched to computers because it is way cheaper, more efficient, and more reliable. Just because something has been proven for 1000 years doesn't mean it can't be improved upon. Central banks will hold whatever they feel they have control over. If bitcoin mining and security is decentralized and secure enough, they will hold bitcoin just as well as they have held gold.


Thats not it really.   Bitcoin is not backed by anything, its the same complaint he has about dollars.

It's pretty annoying when people claim that bitcoin is not backed by anything, and then go on to defend gold, which also is not backed by anything. The brainwashing of pieces of paper backed by some bank or vault is pretty strong in our society, so when people see bitcoin, that's the first thing they assume it to be like, instead of being something that doesn't need backing. Like gold.

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October 26, 2014, 05:10:44 PM
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He's right in a way.

Bitcoin, technically speaking, IS a fiat currency.  That is, there is no tangible good for which it can be exchanged at a guaranteed rate. 

The real difference is that Bitcoin has value by user fiat and Dollars have value by government fiat.

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October 26, 2014, 08:28:19 PM
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Bitcoin's price development since 2009-1-3 (the inception) correlates 0.935 with an exponential trendline.

If I had a medium sized investment portfolio (I do), I would allocate as follows:

Bitcoin 45%
Monero 5%
Real Estate 20%
Small Business & Projects 10%
Cash, financial instruments 10%
Gold 5%
Silver 5%.

If you don't want to invest 50% in crypto, just invest 5-10% and it will become 50% spontaneously in 1 year, should the trend continue.

I think that your PM holdings are too small. With the coming unraveling of fiat and the collapse of derivatives, precious metals to the moon. And only what is in your hand do you really own!

Of course with this collapse it will trigger widespread death and destruction as war engulfs the planet.

Do you have a hardened shelter beneath your castle? How many BTC or ounces of gold will a room cost? Wink
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45% btc is way too much IMHO.  No NXT?  You need more financials, i.e. foreign stocks.
And did I miss something?  What's Monero?  I googled it, but don't feel like sorting through the BS.  Can someone sum it up for me?

Lol NXT?

You mean that IPO bullshit scam coin?

Yes more people need to have that hahaha

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October 26, 2014, 08:29:45 PM
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He's right in a way.

Bitcoin, technically speaking, IS a fiat currency.  That is, there is no tangible good for which it can be exchanged at a guaranteed rate. 

The real difference is that Bitcoin has value by user fiat and Dollars have value by government fiat.



Fiat means by government decree. So technically you and him are both wrong on the actual definition.

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October 26, 2014, 08:31:13 PM
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Central banks will only hold tangible asset such as gold, which has proven to be "money" for 1000 years.

Central banks used paper as their method of accounting for 1000 years. They switched to computers because it is way cheaper, more efficient, and more reliable. Just because something has been proven for 1000 years doesn't mean it can't be improved upon. Central banks will hold whatever they feel they have control over. If bitcoin mining and security is decentralized and secure enough, they will hold bitcoin just as well as they have held gold.


Thats not it really.   Bitcoin is not backed by anything, its the same complaint he has about dollars.

It's pretty annoying when people claim that bitcoin is not backed by anything, and then go on to defend gold, which also is not backed by anything. The brainwashing of pieces of paper backed by some bank or vault is pretty strong in our society, so when people see bitcoin, that's the first thing they assume it to be like, instead of being something that doesn't need backing. Like gold.

I know yeah?

What backs gold? Right nothing but perception that it has value.

What backs Bitcoin is the protocol as well as the miners and merchants and users. Same difference lol

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October 27, 2014, 07:29:43 PM
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Bitcoin is perceived as unbacked and inferior to dollars which have the full faith and support of the most powerful government on earth and the only military superpower left.
   That perception is hard to overcome, whats often the case with such a formidable force is that the only people who can beat it is themselves and so far as I can tell this is what happened, Dollar is/was/continues to be undermined by the actions of its own congress through the FED

Bitcoin I think will prove superior to dollars, it does have that integrity but its a lost point on most.    Gold does of course have physical backing, it is a unique element and if nothing else it is very hard to destroy or deminish.   So dollars are the most fragile of the three, nothing fixes their value except politics which as we all know is an often betrayed principal.   No speculation is required to see damage already done or for bitcoin a likely continued transparent path forward for reliable exchange, similarly gold is useful to many people and that simplicity is a positive.  dollar value is opaque

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October 27, 2014, 08:43:31 PM
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Bitcoin's price development since 2009-1-3 (the inception) correlates 0.935 with an exponential trendline.

If I had a medium sized investment portfolio (I do), I would allocate as follows:

Bitcoin 45%
Monero 5%
Real Estate 20%
Small Business & Projects 10%
Cash, financial instruments 10%
Gold 5%
Silver 5%.

If you don't want to invest 50% in crypto, just invest 5-10% and it will become 50% spontaneously in 1 year, should the trend continue.

I think that your PM holdings are too small. With the coming unraveling of fiat and the collapse of derivatives, precious metals to the moon. And only what is in your hand do you really own!

Of course with this collapse it will trigger widespread death and destruction as war engulfs the planet.

Do you have a hardened shelter beneath your castle? How many BTC or ounces of gold will a room cost? Wink
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45% btc is way too much IMHO.  No NXT?  You need more financials, i.e. foreign stocks.
And did I miss something?  What's Monero?  I googled it, but don't feel like sorting through the BS.  Can someone sum it up for me?

Lol NXT?

You mean that IPO bullshit scam coin?

Yes more people need to have that hahaha
One thing that turns people of from nxt is distribution. i don't blame them. there are 73 people who holds most of the currency.But calling it an outright scam seems unfair.
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November 02, 2014, 04:47:29 PM
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Central banks will only hold tangible asset such as gold, which has proven to be "money" for 1000 years.

Central banks used paper as their method of accounting for 1000 years. They switched to computers because it is way cheaper, more efficient, and more reliable. Just because something has been proven for 1000 years doesn't mean it can't be improved upon. Central banks will hold whatever they feel they have control over. If bitcoin mining and security is decentralized and secure enough, they will hold bitcoin just as well as they have held gold.


Thats not it really.   Bitcoin is not backed by anything, its the same complaint he has about dollars.

It's pretty annoying when people claim that bitcoin is not backed by anything, and then go on to defend gold, which also is not backed by anything. The brainwashing of pieces of paper backed by some bank or vault is pretty strong in our society, so when people see bitcoin, that's the first thing they assume it to be like, instead of being something that doesn't need backing. Like gold.

Gold can be a standalone product without huge dependency on technology. Should real crisis hit, electricity and computer system will not be accessible as most people would assume it would.

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November 02, 2014, 06:03:01 PM
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Central banks will only hold tangible asset such as gold, which has proven to be "money" for 1000 years.

Central banks used paper as their method of accounting for 1000 years. They switched to computers because it is way cheaper, more efficient, and more reliable. Just because something has been proven for 1000 years doesn't mean it can't be improved upon. Central banks will hold whatever they feel they have control over. If bitcoin mining and security is decentralized and secure enough, they will hold bitcoin just as well as they have held gold.


Thats not it really.   Bitcoin is not backed by anything, its the same complaint he has about dollars.

It's pretty annoying when people claim that bitcoin is not backed by anything, and then go on to defend gold, which also is not backed by anything. The brainwashing of pieces of paper backed by some bank or vault is pretty strong in our society, so when people see bitcoin, that's the first thing they assume it to be like, instead of being something that doesn't need backing. Like gold.

Gold can be a standalone product without huge dependency on technology. Should real crisis hit, electricity and computer system will not be accessible as most people would assume it would.

I've never seen a real crisis where people bring out their gold. There's usually a lot of lead moving around.

Any significantly advanced cryptocurrency is indistinguishable from Ponzi Tulips.
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November 02, 2014, 09:34:30 PM
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Central banks will only hold tangible asset such as gold, which has proven to be "money" for 1000 years.

Central banks used paper as their method of accounting for 1000 years. They switched to computers because it is way cheaper, more efficient, and more reliable. Just because something has been proven for 1000 years doesn't mean it can't be improved upon. Central banks will hold whatever they feel they have control over. If bitcoin mining and security is decentralized and secure enough, they will hold bitcoin just as well as they have held gold.


Thats not it really.   Bitcoin is not backed by anything, its the same complaint he has about dollars.

It's pretty annoying when people claim that bitcoin is not backed by anything, and then go on to defend gold, which also is not backed by anything. The brainwashing of pieces of paper backed by some bank or vault is pretty strong in our society, so when people see bitcoin, that's the first thing they assume it to be like, instead of being something that doesn't need backing. Like gold.

Gold can be a standalone product without huge dependency on technology. Should real crisis hit, electricity and computer system will not be accessible as most people would assume it would.

I've never seen a real crisis where people bring out their gold. There's usually a lot of lead moving around.

Touché
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November 04, 2014, 01:18:13 AM
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Central banks will only hold tangible asset such as gold, which has proven to be "money" for 1000 years.

Central banks used paper as their method of accounting for 1000 years. They switched to computers because it is way cheaper, more efficient, and more reliable. Just because something has been proven for 1000 years doesn't mean it can't be improved upon. Central banks will hold whatever they feel they have control over. If bitcoin mining and security is decentralized and secure enough, they will hold bitcoin just as well as they have held gold.


Thats not it really.   Bitcoin is not backed by anything, its the same complaint he has about dollars.

It's pretty annoying when people claim that bitcoin is not backed by anything, and then go on to defend gold, which also is not backed by anything. The brainwashing of pieces of paper backed by some bank or vault is pretty strong in our society, so when people see bitcoin, that's the first thing they assume it to be like, instead of being something that doesn't need backing. Like gold.

Gold can be a standalone product without huge dependency on technology. Should real crisis hit, electricity and computer system will not be accessible as most people would assume it would.

I've never seen a real crisis where people bring out their gold. There's usually a lot of lead moving around.

There is an investing newsletter called "Whiskey & gunpowder", it's a crisis investment kind of thing.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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I've never seen a real crisis where people bring out their gold. There's usually a lot of lead moving around.

Gold was used in Zimbabwe, its used in Vietnam now and I guess maybe other countries though not in the street to buy food I doubt.    A loaf of bread was 1 gram which is a rip off but worthless cash causes problems and the bread was coming from south africa

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November 04, 2014, 04:56:07 AM
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I've never seen a real crisis where people bring out their gold. There's usually a lot of lead moving around.

Gold was used in Zimbabwe, its used in Vietnam now and I guess maybe other countries though not in the street to buy food I doubt.    A loaf of bread was 1 gram which is a rip off but worthless cash causes problems and the bread was coming from south africa

Then are you telling that Gold is much more bigger in value compared to BTC?
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November 04, 2014, 05:50:20 AM
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Gold is vastly larger market capitalisation then bitcoin, sure it is.   I expect btc is more liquid asset to deal though, they are just different classes really.   
Thing is with gold when its bought in large amounts, they keep it and thats it, the owner will issue notes against its worth but never sell it.  Bitcoin you cant do that so much, some brokers will let you buy shares based on your gold holdings as security but I not heard of btc being used that way though I guess its possible

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