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Question:  My Investment portfolio is ( click all that apply )
Bitcoin - 152 (38.7%)
Bitcoin Stocks  (S.DICE or HIM or ... ) - 39 (9.9%)
LTC or other altcoin - 67 (17%)
Gold Or silver - 38 (9.7%)
Real Estate(Tv,Car,guns,ammo,food) - 46 (11.7%)
all of they above - 7 (1.8%)
Other - 44 (11.2%)
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June 05, 2013, 11:34:57 PM
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Real Estate never really goes down..... it might be in a bit of a bubble but in Real Estate terms 20% overvalued is a bubble, in the long run you're sure to make 50% even if you move around alot; why?? because inflation....

I strongly recommend everyone buy some Real Estate. living in an apartment is fine... but a nice house is just better, your not pissing away rent money, and you pay taxes to a government of your choice, here in canada our government realizes that there is room for improvement and is always looking for the best ways to enhance quality of life for all citizens


Holy shit you are a moron! Did you read the news the past few years how real estate has been in a huge bubble?

I speak from personal experience, real estate can go down. I bought a house in 2005, sold it in 2012 for a 70% loss. FML

In Canada we have not had a recent significant real estate crash yet but this has not always been the case. There was a brutal crash in real estate in the early 1980's in western Canada for example.

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June 05, 2013, 11:55:10 PM
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I think the Permanent Portfolio (self-balancing diversification over stocks/debt/commodity/currency) is a great idea. I think this because I'm a fool who has lost plenty of my savings by betting on this or that stock - I'd rather have a fool-resistant strategy than trust my naïve impression of a "good bet". Also, properly configured, the PP loadout can be used to profit on volatility at every time scale.

That said, I haven't yet moved into the broad ETFs called for by PP strategies, mainly because I am waiting for a good opportunity to exit those bad bets.

My current holdings are about:
$10k in BTC (mostly appreciated from when BTC prices were lower)
$15k in USD (most of it sitting on Mt. Gox or Bitfinex)
$12k in stocks (one tech stock that has been doing poorly in the market despite very good fundamentals, one commodities stock that has pretty good dividends, plus some minor ETF positions)
$10k in REITs (originally chosen to preserve my buying power in case of home market recovery)

32% in Dollars deprecating away.
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June 06, 2013, 12:03:50 AM
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32% in Dollars deprecating away.
They're dry powder. I can't profit on the massive swings in BTC valuation without holding something liquid and current. If the best option I can find devalues at 2% a year, well, so be it!

If there is something that will make Bitcoin succeed, it is growth of utility - greater quantity and variety of goods and services offered for BTC. If there is something that will make Bitcoin fail, it is the prevalence of users convinced that BTC is a magic box that will turn them into millionaires, and of the con-artists who have followed them here to devour them.
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June 06, 2013, 12:15:18 AM
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In Canada we have not had a recent significant real estate crash yet but this has not always been the case. There was a brutal crash in real estate in the early 1980's in western Canada for example.

I've been waiting for years for a crash In Canada's real estate.
Until now it has only gone up Up UP!

http://www.housepriceindex.ca/Default.aspx

IMO the next market downturn will crash Canada HARD.

I have some play money on puts for RBC and BMO.
If the market can continue like it did today for another week, I'll be quite happy.  Cheesy
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June 06, 2013, 01:27:58 AM
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In Canada we have not had a recent significant real estate crash yet but this has not always been the case. There was a brutal crash in real estate in the early 1980's in western Canada for example.

I've been waiting for years for a crash In Canada's real estate.
Until now it has only gone up Up UP!

http://www.housepriceindex.ca/Default.aspx

IMO the next market downturn will crash Canada HARD.

I have some play money on puts for RBC and BMO.
If the market can continue like it did today for another week, I'll be quite happy.  Cheesy

like bitcoin, housing prices only ever go up!  Cheesy

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June 06, 2013, 08:30:02 AM
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Since we're talking real estate...

I've been thinking about whether buying makes sense vs. renting here in Finland at the moment. One reason I'm doubtful is demographics. When my parents were born, the fertility rate was around 3 children per person, when I was born, it was just above 1.6. In brief, the population is getting old, and my parent's generation seems to me to have been much more eager to buy real estate than their children have been. It's a bit of a morbid calculation to make, but in 20 years time, the generation with the greatest accumulated wealth, including real estate, will largely have died and passed their property on to their children, who are fewer in number. So it seems to make sense to expect housing prices to go down quite a bit by 2030 or so.

The question is, how low will they go? And will they go down everywhere? Cities are growing rapidly here, with real estate valuations showing the expected increase. This trend may well continue regardless of demographic changes.

Currently, in central Helsinki, a 50 sqm apartment seems to rent for 1,100 EUR / month, and can be bought for, roughly, 280,000 EUR. These are rough estimates, and even owning an apartment, you're still looking at close to 200 EUR / month in fees. So calculating from this, and not taking into account future price movements which I have no way of predicting, for the investment it takes to buy an apartment in Helsinki at the moment,  you can rent the same apartment for about 26 years. If you expect prices to keep going up, the calculations look different of course. Still, if I had a bit under 300k EUR to invest in something, I'm really not at all convinced buying myself a place to live would be the best option. I'd guess the effects of this demographic change will start showing in 15 years or so, still a decade away from the equilibrium point of buying vs. renting. If houses go down low enough, renting looks like a pretty good idea to me.

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"Percentage of the population over 65 in Europe"

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June 06, 2013, 03:42:22 PM
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$15k in USD (most of it sitting on Mt. Gox or Bitfinex)


Well, what are you waiting for?  Grin Grin Grin

edit: jj, I know that all the smart people have tons of fiat sitting on the exchanges ready to go into battle when the time is right.
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June 06, 2013, 07:10:30 PM
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Well, what are you waiting for?  Grin Grin Grin

edit: jj, I know that all the smart people have tons of fiat sitting on the exchanges ready to go into battle when the time is right.

This could be long, long time.
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June 06, 2013, 11:29:38 PM
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Seriously? This is your portfolio?

Oh dear.
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June 06, 2013, 11:41:21 PM
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I just find it weird than on a bitcoin forum, less than 40% have bitcoin in their portfolio...
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June 07, 2013, 12:04:44 AM
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32% in Dollars deprecating away.
They're dry powder. I can't profit on the massive swings in BTC valuation without holding something liquid and current. If the best option I can find devalues at 2% a year, well, so be it!

Will take me a while to climb up again, But where is a will, there is a way...
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June 07, 2013, 12:34:40 AM
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I just find it weird than on a bitcoin forum, less than 40% have bitcoin in their portfolio...

The poll allows for more than one option so it is not surprising at all.

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June 08, 2013, 09:54:44 PM
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you can either include guns/ammo/food with real estate or it could be seperate

USA, I guess... only in USA one would count guns as investment  Grin

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June 08, 2013, 10:00:26 PM
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you can either include guns/ammo/food with real estate or it could be seperate

USA, I guess... only in USA one would count guns as investment  Grin

Some people are expecting Armageddon, if you are: guns and ammunition are by far the best investment.

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June 08, 2013, 10:31:45 PM
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you should add the option:

invested in pre-order mining

because a lot of money from a lot of forum members is sitting RIGHT THERE
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