[ANN] [IoP] Internet of People - Decentralise the Web 2.0 - a Community Project

[Zandorek]

luluvic, You are in the wrong Thread

[Zandorek]

Hi . I hope your idea runs happily!
Attentive approach, unblemished job.

Thanks. It is not a dream anymore.

[Zandorek]

The plan will be useful.
Pretty good plan, faultless plan!  Good luck dev's!

Thank you for your support!

[callback]

What is with Hydra, the exchange is down?
What is with the Hydra release?
No blabla yadda yadda please, just say WHEN?

Titania OS - release goes unnoticed, no publicity - fail.
Mercury Protocol - Announced as an SDK - a closer look reveals its barely a skeleton, completely useless in its current state - fail.
There is a registered company in California going by the name of Mercury Protocol, with a real product line, working in almost the same sector, running on ETH - name picking - fail.
https://www.mercuryprotocol.com
Hydra - release and ICO was announced for the beginning of 2018 - for about three times the IoP price - fail.

Last post on IoP Twitter - 10 days ago - fail
Last post on Libertaria Twitter - June 21 - total fail

[Memnon]

Dear callback,

You are asking a mix of question, some are related to IoP, and some to Libertaria. I'll try to cover them both. But please keep this to the IoP project the next time.
Also know you can always reach us on Discord and Telegram, it's probably easier and quicker to get your answers there.

What is with Hydra, the exchange is down?

The exchange of is currently flagged down and under investigation by our engineers to ensure stability & correct functioning.
We ask you for your patience during this period. Should you have any questions regarding the exchange, just ask. Obviously it will be back up soon, and don't worry your funds won't get lost.

What is with the Hydra release?
No blabla yadda yadda please, just say WHEN?

We don't say when, until we know for certain when when is. If you want to know more about the progress behind Hydra then you can watch for instance the presentation Libertaria made at the People First conference in Berlin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0-FH9xF8G4. There is no when, because we don't know when. But development is going on steadily and very healthy.
We will update you as soon as there is more news.

Titania OS - release goes unnoticed, no publicity - fail.

Funny that you say so, apparently you noticed it, Libertaria just gave away 27 boxes to lucky winners in a online draw to which hundreds participated all around the globe.
Scoop: Libertaria is currently designing a stand alone page where you can find everything regarding Titania. The current release, is for early adopters and developers, hence it's pushed to sources they use, such as github and rust development communities.

Mercury Protocol - Announced as an SDK - a closer look reveals its barely a skeleton, completely useless in its current state - fail.

Sure this can be and will be expanded on actually, however we spoke about it in Berlin and we have developer eagerly waiting to work with it.
Hence we released it without to much fancy markups. Again aimed at the dApp developers who need it to create their dApps.

There is a registered company in California going by the name of Mercury Protocol, with a real product line, working in almost the same sector, running on ETH - name picking - fail.
https://www.mercuryprotocol.com

There is no conflict between the naming of our protocol and their activities.

Hydra - release and ICO was announced for the beginning of 2018 - for about three times the IoP price - fail.

As you are probably aware this is a huge project by Libertaria  Hydra is a new approach to blockchain: a federated network of distinct blockchains all secured by a parent chain. Communities can set up their own economies and tokens on their own blockchain, all in a few mouse clicks. The parent chain secures all the child chains, combining the power of all the nodes in the network. The parent chain can also be used to exchange value between different child chains in atomic swaps, but because these child chains represent local economies, most transactions stay on the individual chains. Now any community can have run their own blockchain, getting all the efficiency benefits of keeping things local, while keeping the security and stability of a global system.

THE KEY FEATURES
Create your own blockchain: Use Hydra’s Genesis templates to create your own blockchain in just a few clicks.
Create your own token: Create your own cryptocurrency, secured with the consensus protocol of your choice.
Create your own community: Hydra provides governance, voting, smart contracts and more.
Fully scalable: Hydra scales globally while keeping most data and services local.
Fully secure: Written in Rust to prevent memory and overflow issues.

So this is not a simple task, to put it lightly.  Alsi you probably also know we have chosen to build Hydra on the basis of our version of Algorand. This is not as simple as taking an existing version of a consensus and setting something up.

At this point not even the algorand team itself have released their version. Yes in an earlier version we prematurely announced the deadline of this project to early and it was pushed back. We will try and keep you up to date with publications and progress reports more accurately. In case you have questions, always feel free to contact me directly.

You can find me on both IoP and Libertaria's telegram and the shared discord.
Cheers,
Memnon

[callback]

So nothing, but some more blabla and a lot of yadda yadda.
Your excuse, that you were "too early" announcing Hydra tops your ignorance.
In the meantime you've managed to shed another 10% of your market value.
With all your chapter miners dumping non stop, your socialist project is rapidly running out of other people's money.
Are you stoned all day?

[SheldonLeeCooper]

Internet of People (IoP) — a digital cooperative community which aims to allow users to build “a new generation of DApps” with full control of personal information, eliminating censorship and obstruction by governments and large companies.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/p2p-network-to-stop-private-data-breaches-and-censorship-via-new-protocol-dapp-platform

[Memnon]

So nothing, but some more blabla and a lot of yadda yadda.
Your excuse, that you were "too early" announcing Hydra tops your ignorance.
In the meantime you've managed to shed another 10% of your market value.
With all your chapter miners dumping non stop, your socialist project is rapidly running out of other people's money.
Are you stoned all day?

I am sorry, but there is no reason to be rude and if you wish to continue with that I see no reason why I should reply to further responses.
We are open and transparent, not stoned at all and not socialist. You my friend sound like someone disgruntled by the market and prices being low. We are also human being and not perfect, but we work hard an many sacrifice a lot to make something great. But as we always communicated we don't control the market price, which is by the way not the same as value. value is in what we we develop, so that's what we focus onWe do so from our HQ in Karlsruhe for IOP and from Budapest Libertaria is working hard and all the chapters worldwide work hard to contribute to this.

You can read this in the Core Reports from Divisions and Libertaria each month and from he chapter reports. And in fact, speaking of mining, anyone can freely open up a chapter and mine. Internet of People took another step towards global reach and ease of use. We redesigned the structure of our community in order to enlarge its scope and to allow more people to actively participate in the development and sustainability of the IoP network.

As you know, IoP is a SHA256 coin that runs on a permissioned mining system based on what we call "mining license". Until now, the community was structured based on geographical location with mining licenses granted based on a bureaucratic mechanism. Starting today, we changed this antique and defensive approach and we adopted the following licensing / rewarding mechanism:

- everyone can start a "chapter" at any time
- there will be 31 mining license up for grab that can be used by the best  chapters in order to mine their own IOP
- there will be an extra reward per month of around 14000 IOP generated from 30 extra mining license managed by the community services which will be awarded based on the voting ranking of the chapters. The distribution principle can be found in the picture at the end of the announcements.
- mining license granting and reward awarding take place once a month, after the community voting process is concluded.
- the only requirement is to join our Discord server, introduce yourself and place your request in #chapter-requests indicate who you are, where you are from and what your desired chapter name is . After that you will get your own Report-Channel. Submit a report or a proposal and and try to get as many votes as possible. No more restriction on one country, no interview or ID check - yes, is that easy

Note that we are still planning to for a consensus switch for IOP, we will introduce a new consensus algorithm based on the idea of a directed acyclic graph, or DAG.
The DAG concept has been popularized by projects such as IOTA and HEDERA. It’s similar to blockchain, but instead of competing against each other to produce the next block on a single chain, nodes gossip with each other about network events to produce a web of messages, all linked through cryptographic hashes. With the release of the new consensus algorithm, IoP will have completed its basic infrastructure. We will then open up transaction confirmation and coin generation to the public, creating a true P2P economy.

You will soon be able to see a presentation by one of our core developers on this idea. I am pretty sure you find it interesting.
Unless of course you are not interested in the project project and/or it's development at all. Which is fine, I can't force you, but please at all times. Try to remain polite. We try to do the same.
And also we are trying to be so open as possible about what we do, try to do, when we succeed, when we fail and when we make changes. This is called development.

[callback]

Losers focus on effort. Winners focus on results.

[Zandorek]

Losers focus on effort. Winners focus on results.

There is no result without effort. 'Genius is 1% talent and 99% percent hard work...' - Albert Einstein
Oh and ask e.g. Thomas Alva Edison about the number of unsuccessful experiments...
People only remember on the final successful result after a period of time.
"Patience, persistence and perspiration make an unbeatable combination for success." - Napoleon Hill

[callback]

Look smart ass, the only result you have materialised so far is a 95% decline of your market value.
Everything else is hot air and it seems like nobody is willing to buy into your phantasmic ventures anymore.
You failed to deliver on each and every item on your roster, a big pile of half baked shit.
All you got is a SHA-256 shit coin which couldn't even be mined if you're not a member of the club.
Please tell me, who's Einstein in your project, and who's Edison?
Delusional, embarrassing and completely decoupled from reality.

[callback]

And you can keep your hypocrite politeness to your fucking Discord. This is BCT, nobody gives a shit.

[Memnon]

Delusional, embarrassing and completely decoupled from reality.

As indicated before we are an open, collaborative global community which is always able to support and explain to you whatever we are doing and/or not doing, what's going on or whatever is not going on.
And  you can contact me personally via email, discord, telegram, phone or whatever method nearly 24/7 to talk about anything regarding this project or the other.

I even gave you my personal contact in this thread on June 23, 2018, 10:33:26 PM in a reply to your earlier post. So you have all opportunity to get any information you want.
You choose not to contact me and you seem also not interested in anything I or my fellow community members have to say apparently.

Instead you seem to just want  to return over a month later and start 'ranting' again this comes across resentful and hostile.
To be honest that's kind of sad. I would suggest you find a group / community / project that you do like and support and spend your time there.

[callback]

The fact alone that you're doxing yourself on BCT like you do - its unheard of.
You seem to have a real problem with the scope in crypto, you'd better stay in your village environment.

I have a good reason to rant, its money. Your bunch of 100 worthless statists was spending it on a lot of crapola.
Now you plan to give out even more mining licenses, the outcome is certain, more dumping.

You completely ignore the fact that you're an easy target, close to its demise. You're being pushed around, ever closer to the dumpster.
Are you aware that you compete in the fastest moving software sector on the planet?
You got no time, if you come out with what you're fantasising about in two years from now, it will go as unnoticed as all the other shit you delivered so far.
Instead of fighting, you should think about what mistakes you've made, who's to blame, and what qualified consequences and decisions could change your situation.

If even Micali and his team struggle to come out with a marketable version of their consensus method, you should maybe reconsider your decision to use it and build on an intermediate solution, and fast.

[callback]

Revoke PoW and turn to simple PoS as an intermediate, could be ready in a day.
Or go hybrid, with licenses for your developers only. Or a percentage of PoS for the developers.
Give people a simple proven reason to buy your shit now.
Your chapters do nothing for the evolution of the project, there is nil value added this way, impossible, plain and simple.

[kagtaviy_mo]

I think this is a typical talk about decentralization. Yes, the description of the project is interesting, blockchain is now also being opened to ordinary people. It's great. Time will show how it works in practice. Thank you.

[Memnon]

The fact alone that you're doxing yourself on BCT like you do - its unheard of.

Thanks for your concern, but I feel fully comfortable publicly sharing my information as I know what we do and why we do it. I support it fully and don't hide this behind an alias. The alias Memnon that I use I've been using since 1996 in various projects I've supported over time. It has always been attached to my real name, as said. I have no issues with it.

You seem to have a real problem with the scope in crypto, you'd better stay in your village environment.

Having worked in bigger projects and in front of larger audiences, I beg to differ.

I have a good reason to rant, its money. Your bunch of 100 worthless statists was spending it on a lot of crapola.

Note that both the IoP community or Libertaria hasn't done any ICO so far, so we are self funded and did not ask you to invest your money.  So you invested in the project, bought IoP's or maybe received some free Hydra's from the airdrop, or bought some from other community members. And now are disgruntled about the progress of the projects. Ok, that's fair. You can have that opinion. But we see it differently obviously.

And even with all this negativity we are here, not trying to ignore you. But instead we are trying to listen and discuss with you.

Now you plan to give out even more mining licenses, the outcome is certain, more dumping.

That's incorrect and a false presumption. There actually used to be up to 40 licenses available to be earned, and now there are 31. Anyone can start a chapter and try and earn a license by community votes (we will turn that to voting on the chain as soon as possible). So if we have 60 chapters, only 31 will be lucky enough to earn a license.

Everyone can start a "chapter" at any time
The extra licenses you mention are used as an extra reward per month, so this goes towards those 31 'best chapters'. This ensures the best chapters get the most reward.

Forming a chapter is open
Voting is open

The only requirement is to join our Discord server, introduce yourself. 
After this we move onto our new consensus, which goes beyond this typical POS or POW or POS/POW hybrid. Perhaps I can show you the video for this even later today.

You completely ignore the fact that you're an easy target, close to its demise. You're being pushed around, ever closer to the dumpster.
Are you aware that you compete in the fastest moving software sector on the planet?
You got no time, if you come out with what you're fantasising about in two years from now, it will go as unnoticed as all the other shit you delivered so far.
Instead of fighting, you should think about what mistakes you've made, who's to blame, and what qualified consequences and decisions could change your situation.

We are fully aware of what sector we are in, we are also experienced enough to know how actual development works. We are not in the fantasy building and storytelling business, with which we can undoubtly make quick easy money. We don't do an ICO, instead we develop towards common goals that bind our community.

If even Micali and his team struggle to come out with a marketable version of their consensus method, you should maybe reconsider your decision to use it and build on an intermediate solution, and fast.

Again this is not a Libertaria or Hydra thread but an IOP thread. The choice to work based of Micali's vision of Algorand, take that, improve that and use that as the basis for Hydra is a conscious technical choice. One that we feel is needed for the long term, speaking about long term, the Libertaria team believes that they'll be developing for the next seven years at least to build all the components needed for a truely decentralized society. This goes far beyond 'crypto' and 'currency' we need more than just that. And Libertaria is building the groundwork for that with us.

So sorry if you were looking for a quick gain, or had different expectations in general.  I hear and respect that you have a different vision, so feel free to open up a chapter yourself and collect enough votes.
Then you get the license, you get the IOP and you can make an impact in the way you want. We respect our current chapters and appreciate all the work that they are doing,  For example our cooperation with The Autonomous University of Nayarit (UAN) comes forth from the chapter efforts. This is also a project which will take time to develop, but its one where we can make an actual change for that community, for that Uni. This is something that grows close to my personal heart. Not making a quick buck.

[Memnon]

By the way callback, please just contact me either in private or in one of our public channels (telegram or discord). This forum really isn't the best place for discussions.
  As said, we are open, we listen, but we also make choices, some of which you won't agree with. But if we wouldn't make choices, it would also be no good.
All of that is not a reason to be(come) hateful or negative. Lets exchange idea's, see what we can do and together make it a better project.

[callback]

My god, I hardly haven't met anybody in crypto who was more full of shit.
And more ignorant and stubborn, without the slightest idea and self reflection of the image he projects to the outside world.
Your Discord, your Twitter, your whole appearance has a reach of a handful of people. Nobody really wants to hook up with you.
Your project in its current state is as attracting as a worn out toilet brush.
I would fire you and your minions immediately and dissolve all chapters and start over with a viable business model.

[callback]

By the way callback, please just contact me either in private or in one of our public channels (telegram or discord). This forum really isn't the best place for discussions.
  As said, we are open, we listen, but we also make choices, some of which you won't agree with. But if we wouldn't make choices, it would also be no good.
All of that is not a reason to be(come) hateful or negative. Lets exchange idea's, see what we can do and together make it a better project.

Hell yeah, this forum is the one and only place for discussions.
It has one thing your project hasn't got, a broad reach. And I always loved the tone.
I have several other accounts here, been around for a long long time.
I told you before to stick your Discord to where the sun doesn't shine.