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October 12, 2017, 11:30:09 AM |
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I highly doubt that this bill will be adopted, and if so, the so-called taxation of exchanges in Ukraine will not cover all aspects of such regulation. Ukraine isn't considered as the highly developed country which has all necessary resources to regulate exchanges, and the loop could always be found by crypto-people.
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October 12, 2017, 11:33:19 AM |
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Better you post on news section on this forum. All this government don't know to do with all this crypto currencies. Today thay say ban and tomorrow they say approve. Bored!
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Basmic
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October 12, 2017, 11:44:24 AM |
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Ukraine has no Parliament. There is a club of corrupt officials. All parliamentarians interested in laundering their criminal proceeds using bitcoin. They will never vote for such a law. I'm sure this bill will never make it to the parliamentary hall for the vote.Such draft laws in the Ukrainian Parliament hundreds.
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October 12, 2017, 11:59:46 AM |
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Taxation on bitcoin trading and mining is just some word in the book, if they will add tax when trading through registered trading platform than people will just go with peer to peer trading and OTC trading. However Regulation is better than banning. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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October 12, 2017, 12:05:38 PM |
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Taxation on bitcoin trading and mining is just some word in the book, if they will add tax when trading through registered trading platform than people will just go with peer to peer trading and OTC trading. However Regulation is better than banning. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) That's the reason governments hate cryptos. There are always ways to evade the existence of a transaction hence no one knows who holds what. Government should come up with rather creative idea to cope with cryptocoins.
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October 12, 2017, 12:35:45 PM Last edit: October 12, 2017, 12:49:20 PM by hase0278 |
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It is good to see another country notice cryptocurrency, it is a clear evidence that adoption rate is increasing. I feel bad for those who were using crypto there though they will need to pay tax just doing trades and mining but still it brings benefit to them like having more ways to spend their coins in real life. I hope that Ukraine government will decides whether to pass this or not soon.
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October 12, 2017, 01:58:51 PM |
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Yep, that's really great to see one more country which is assumed to recognize cryptos, though not to accept them yet. I consider this news just as the proposition, which won't be passed eventually, as far as I understood the current national economic situation.
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October 12, 2017, 02:04:21 PM |
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Socialist governments need strict tax regulation to keep afloat.
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Nalbo
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October 13, 2017, 06:36:48 AM |
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It's better to try to regulate cryptos than banning them. They may tax on the the trade adding to the fees to exchange and tax the fiat to crypto and vice versa transactions.
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October 13, 2017, 06:39:41 AM |
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Ukrainian decision on the crypto currency will not affect the price because the country is not so globally responsible.
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October 13, 2017, 06:40:55 AM |
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This isn't all that helpful. While bitcoin should be a safe heaven from tax, its mere usage shouldn't invoke taxation. If it was treated as assets, where taxation would only exist on profits, it'd be ideal. Taxation on trading and mining is merely going to make it harder for businesses to sprout in the country while still allowing for the cryptocurrency to be used illegally and expanding the black market.
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October 13, 2017, 07:29:22 AM |
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Taxation on bitcoin trading and mining is just some word in the book, if they will add tax when trading through registered trading platform than people will just go with peer to peer trading and OTC trading.
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October 13, 2017, 07:33:17 AM |
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This is the real problem facing all governments........TAX
They are not oposed to cryptocurrency. They are oposed to not being able to effectively tax it!
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October 13, 2017, 07:42:04 AM |
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This regulation madness is going crazy. They can't understand that this is freedom and we don't need regulations. And they will never understand that this cannot be regulated. There are new projects for decentralized exchanges. and how they think they are going to regulate decentralized exchanges?
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October 13, 2017, 07:47:59 AM |
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I won't be surprised, if countries start to compete with each other like which one will regulate faster. But at least, Ukraine is the one of the last countries to control and taxate the exchanges as they have bigger problems at the moment, like Russia for example.
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October 13, 2017, 08:09:19 AM |
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I live in Ukraine and I can tell you that, even though everything might seem very cheap for people from developed countries, prices are really high compared to salaries here. Thus, a lot of businessmen don't pay taxes (I mean, they usually pay only the required minimum) and they are not likely to change in the nearest future. Bitcoin is quite used in our country despite the fact that most of people never heard of it. There are about 30 exchanges where one can sell bitcoin for Ukrainian hryvnia. Taxes will reduce the profit in about 20%, so I don't really think the bill will pass. Moreover, I didn't actually find the same information in Ukrainian but what I did find is that National Bank already stated that cryptocurrencies are not real currencies and in the news about the possible law it is written more about financial pyramids than about exchange regulations. Furthermore, I guess there isn't even a project of this law available yet.
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October 13, 2017, 08:25:54 AM |
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I live in Ukraine and I can tell you that, even though everything might seem very cheap for people from developed countries, prices are really high compared to salaries here. Thus, a lot of businessmen don't pay taxes (I mean, they usually pay only the required minimum) and they are not likely to change in the nearest future. Bitcoin is quite used in our country despite the fact that most of people never heard of it. There are about 30 exchanges where one can sell bitcoin for Ukrainian hryvnia. Taxes will reduce the profit in about 20%, so I don't really think the bill will pass. Moreover, I didn't actually find the same information in Ukrainian but what I did find is that National Bank already stated that cryptocurrencies are not real currencies and in the news about the possible law it is written more about financial pyramids than about exchange regulations. Furthermore, I guess there isn't even a project of this law available yet.
I'm not good at Ukrainian and Russian but I've found out a official page about the bill. It would be good if anyone read and updated the current status about the bill. http://w1.c1.rada.gov.ua/pls/zweb2/webproc4_1?pf3511=62684
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October 13, 2017, 08:52:26 AM |
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Good these regulative steps are one of the reasons we see Bitcoin skyrocketing. Mainstream adoption has been happening at a super quick pace for months now
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October 13, 2017, 08:58:24 AM |
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I do not think that the regulation of exchanges in Ukraine can somehow globally plunge into the market situation
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