Whats the differennce between a patriot and a terrorist?

[Bitware]

Whats the differennce between a patriot and a terrorist?

The patriot won. The terrorist lost.

[enquirer]

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[rimbit]

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Your probably not so far from the truth there mate!

Does the tinfoil hat thing still work?

[kokjo]

Does the tinfoil hat thing still work?

tin foil hats are proven ineffective or even directly harmful to the privacy of your mind.

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://berkeley.intel-research.net/arahimi/helmet/

(OMFG, NSA took it of the net. fuck fuck fuck!)


On topic:
Depends on your position, but my patriots have yet to fly planes into buildings.

[FCTaiChi]

Wikipedia:
Terrorism is the systematic use of terror, often violent, especially as a means of coercion.

A patriot is someone who feels a strong support for his or her country.




If a person thinks that committing an act of terrorism will help their country then they may be considered patriotic.  I don't go for the either or argument.  Patriotism generally leads to negative outcomes, this being one of them.

[enquirer]

Patriotism is a primal instinct that is essential for tribe's organization and survival in a harsh environment and in competition against rival tribes. Tribes are no more, but evolution didn't keep up. Now individuals project those feelings onto their nation/state/race/religion. However, that system can not be logically complete, because patriots of two different nations can never agree whose nation is superior.

[rimbit]

Unfortunately patriots and terrorists cant do it the simple way. They prefer to send bombs over or do other stupid things.

If only we could get the two main ones that are arguing and put them in a ring top slug it out... Bare Knuckle!

[KSV]

Does the tinfoil hat thing still work?

tin foil hats are proven ineffective or even directly harmful to the privacy of your mind.

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://berkeley.intel-research.net/arahimi/helmet/

(OMFG, NSA took it of the net. fuck fuck fuck!)


On topic:
Depends on your position, but my patriots have yet to fly planes into buildings.

dammit!

*takes tinfoil hat off*

puts sunglasses on 

[Matthew N. Wright]

but what can one man do?

Fly a plane into a building? 

For the record, I'm neither a terrorist nor a patriot, as I see that the country I would be "strongly supporting" are terrorizing others. I stand for truth and honesty, and although it's probably true that killing others is inevitable in the pursuit of truth and honesty, flying planes into buildings only helps if the people in the buildings are the terrorists.

[Bitware]

Patriotism is a primal instinct that is essential for tribe's organization and survival in a harsh environment and in competition against rival tribes. Tribes are no more, but evolution didn't keep up. Now individuals project those feelings onto their nation/state/race/religion. However, that system can not be logically complete, because patriots of two different nations can never agree whose nation is superior.

The tribes are as active today as they were 5000 years ago... probably more-so.

[mprep]

Patriotism is a primal instinct that is essential for tribe's organization and survival in a harsh environment and in competition against rival tribes. Tribes are no more, but evolution didn't keep up. Now individuals project those feelings onto their nation/state/race/religion. However, that system can not be logically complete, because patriots of two different nations can never agree whose nation is superior.

The tribes are as active today as they were 5000 years ago... probably more-so.

No, they're just got their hands on guns, that's all.

[davout]

A terrorist is usually smarter than a patriot.

[Bitware]

A terrorist is usually smarter than a patriot.

Both may ruled by an ideology, but not necessarily. The smart terrorists are the planners and thinkers. The ones who manage, regulate, and administrate. The ones who convince an 18 year old  Muslim boy from childhood to have nothing but hate and anger towards one of their targets, with 70 virgins waiting for him keeping Allah and Mohommed fluffed up, to blow himself up to take out some infidels. Patriots have planners and thinkers too. Come to think about it, few of our Founding Fathers - Patriots One and All - served on a battlefield. Pretty smart. I a pretty sure every one of their kids were taught to hate Ole King George. Others were taught by patriots to kill Crown administrators, magistrates, sheriffs, and destroy or confiscate weapons caches and Crown resources in America.

Both can be pretty dumb too.

[nimda]

The patriot is the one that tortures the terrorist.

[FCTaiChi]

The patriot is the one that tortures the terrorist.

That's a good idea, violate all the conventions so next time our troops get caught they're tortured too.  Torture is a foolish attempt at retribution.  Any information specialist will say that it's practically worthless when it comes to getting information from a person.



One other thing, some people are acting like all terrorists are of one faith or ideology.  This is not borne out by the constant shootings in the US.  Only difference is that they aren't branded a terrorist, because like it's been mentioned they are of the wrong skin color.

[rimbit]

The patriot is the one that tortures the terrorist.

 Any information specialist will say that it's practically worthless when it comes to getting information from a person.

You know this for a fact ... Its not an attacking question, I am genuinely interested...

[FCTaiChi]

Yeah, I hear them say that all the time.  I never hear anyone but politicians and generals saying that they got good info from torture.
Think about it, you're going to say whatever you think they want you to say if you're broken.  If they can't break you
Situation:
A. You have info and they can't break you
B. You have info and they do break you
C. You have no info and they can't break you
D. You have no info and they do break you
Conclusion:
A. Lies
B. Lies mixed with truth
C. Lies
D. Lies

Even in the best possible situation you don't get much at all.  The little pieces of info that have been gathered are corrupted. 

The best way to get information from a person is to befriend them.  I know it seems strange, but this is the main tactic used in successful interrogation.  The relationship is still manipulative and unnatural, but being that the interrogator is usually their only link to humanity the connection is formed fairly quickly.

[nimda]

...being that the interrogator is usually their only link to humanity the connection is formed fairly quickly.

Which should also be troubling, given that solitary confinement is torture that leaves permanent damage on its victims.

[FCTaiChi]

I agree it is troubling.  I'm not under the impression that they keep them in solitary for long periods of time, though.  The interrogator is usually quite friendly and spending a large amount of time with them.  I don't think this is perfect, maybe one day we'll just be able to scan a person and know everything they have stuck in their memory.  I can imagine a time, though where I would agree that it would be worth using this type of interrogation, if done properly..  but if you're point is that solitary confinement is worse torture than what people go through that we actually call torture, I totally agree. 
Probably easier on a person to just kill them then to put them in a hole for years.  Not sure which I'd choose.

[420]

Actually that was a honest question that turned into a stupid joke. What is the difference?

Like I said, whose side he's on. If it's your side, he's a patriot. if he's on the other side, he's a terrorist.

I don't call people opposite my side terrorists. I do not like that word at all.