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October 31, 2017, 03:13:37 PM
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states have proven time and time again how they manage to screw up money

i'm skeptical that any system where the state has control wouldn't be subverted like always

the idea of natural money as cryptocurrency exactly fits to counter aforementioned negative aspects – it takes control of money from state and authorities and greatly reduces possibility of manipulations by making fiscal system not a process, which includes human factor, but an independent mechanism.
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October 31, 2017, 03:43:11 PM
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What kind of self-regulating system of taxation are you talking about? Lol. Politicians couldn't keep their hands out of the budget. What they do and politics? Maybe you believe that they go into politics to make the country better? They will never give control over taxes and nothing to even speak on this subject.
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October 31, 2017, 04:23:36 PM
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states have proven time and time again how they manage to screw up money i'm skeptical that any system where the state has control wouldn't be subverted like always most economists or financiers would include "a store of value" in the definition of "money", but no fiat today is a store of value as its value is eroded by inflation until that is addressed, money isn't money anymore also, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon is a nutter

Generally speaking, governments are not good stewards of natural and human-made resources and that includes the national currency or any other type of currency created by the government. Since time immemorial, this has had been a big problem plaguing many states. People in power has the tendency to procure waste and could not deliver more value than what can be spent with. No wonder that economic tumult can be happening because of the built-up pressure (akin to a volcano about to erupt). This is the reason in fact why we have cryptocurrency as represented by Bitcoin and its underlying blockchain technology...to return the power to the people and regain back the trust always wasted by those in power and the whole of the bureaucracy.
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November 01, 2017, 10:48:30 AM
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What kind of self-regulating system of taxation are you talking about? Lol. Politicians couldn't keep their hands out of the budget. What they do and politics? Maybe you believe that they go into politics to make the country better? They will never give control over taxes and nothing to even speak on this subject.

You are absolutely right, but they can't declare their true intentions in public. Instead they need to declare idealistic doctrines, and then, in democratic societies - to implement something that will show their devotion to the declared course. Quiet so they surrender some power - by little steps.

On of my most beloved Frederick Douglass quotes: "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will"

So we need that demand, and we need it to be loud and clear to have chance to make authorities make things we want them to do.
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November 01, 2017, 11:54:05 AM
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What kind of self-regulating system of taxation are you talking about? Lol. Politicians couldn't keep their hands out of the budget. What they do and politics? Maybe you believe that they go into politics to make the country better? They will never give control over taxes and nothing to even speak on this subject.
For that reason I am sure most of them will do anything in their power to maintain the current system the world uses after all, it is the most convenient system for them to be corrupt. If there would be a self regulating system of taxation, they wouldn't be able to do what they usually do. It will be hard to convince them to switch with this self regulating system because like you said they aren't in it to make the country better but to give themselves power and money.

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November 01, 2017, 12:18:42 PM
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What kind of self-regulating system of taxation are you talking about? Lol. Politicians couldn't keep their hands out of the budget. What they do and politics? Maybe you believe that they go into politics to make the country better? They will never give control over taxes and nothing to even speak on this subject.
For that reason I am sure most of them will do anything in their power to maintain the current system the world uses after all, it is the most convenient system for them to be corrupt. If there would be a self regulating system of taxation, they wouldn't be able to do what they usually do. It will be hard to convince them to switch with this self regulating system because like you said they aren't in it to make the country better but to give themselves power and money.
Politicians do not disdain any methods to achieve their goals. I'm afraid that in order to prohibit the use of bitcoins, they can organize large-scale provocation. Will be implemented any large-scale terrorist attack and it will use bitcoin. Then, under the guise that it is used by terrorists he will be banned.


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May 17, 2018, 07:20:52 PM
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Natural money is the solution to many modern problems!

Friends, we think that development of a decentralized and a digitalized economy is a modern challenge for many countries, since states lose exclusive control over monetary policy. Adaptation and compliance with the requirements of time is one of the tasks of progressive societies. The scientific and practical association Jus Naturale sees launching a self-regulating tax system based on the state crypto currency, which we call Natural Money, a way out for countries in this situation. The idea of Natural Money is a modern interpretation of the Silvio Gesell free-money idea. It is natural money in conjunction with online clearing systems like GEO that could solve many social and practical problems facing the state while ensuring society in free circulation of goods and services. Since modern scientific community is not ready to discuss this topic yet, we offer advanced crypto-community our proposals for discussion and criticism.

Read more about the idea of natural money: https://jusnaturale.com/en/ideas/natural-money/

The idea you have is difinitely true to life and it is also possibly happen. In my own I think it would be depend on the states on how it is going to be handle. If the country offers to use the cryptocurrency and entering the new world that would be great to know and surely it is easy and functioning well the community of the states. In our economy it is focusing the needs which lead to know the supply and demand through natural money either cryptocurrency.

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Why are you making up new means of taxation while the nature of crypto itself puts the whole concept of taxes under question? And free-money sounds like a profanation.

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May 17, 2018, 07:41:20 PM
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in my opinion, 'Nature Money' is what people used to trade a lot of time ago in the first century in the world when people used goods to trade for other items they needed
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May 17, 2018, 08:15:14 PM
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Why are you making up new means of taxation while the nature of crypto itself puts the whole concept of taxes under question? And free-money sounds like a profanation.
It's as if we are not being taxed enough when we are using bitcoins and there is no need for all the TAX Money  when the countries are regulating the crypto currencies so that people will pay taxes just like everyone else.



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 Overall it sounds like it would work and maybe in theory it would but with the state allow it is the question
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Natural money is the solution to many modern problems!

Friends, we think that development of a decentralized and a digitalized economy is a modern challenge for many countries, since states lose exclusive control over monetary policy. Adaptation and compliance with the requirements of time is one of the tasks of progressive societies. The scientific and practical association Jus Naturale sees launching a self-regulating tax system based on the state crypto currency, which we call Natural Money, a way out for countries in this situation. The idea of Natural Money is a modern interpretation of the Silvio Gesell free-money idea. It is natural money in conjunction with online clearing systems like GEO that could solve many social and practical problems facing the state while ensuring society in free circulation of goods and services. Since modern scientific community is not ready to discuss this topic yet, we offer advanced crypto-community our proposals for discussion and criticism.

Read more about the idea of natural money: https://jusnaturale.com/en/ideas/natural-money/

The idea is interesting, but it's highly depends on ability and desire of a state to cooperate.

True! Any policy imposed by the government, if not properly executed or the people themselves don't cooperate, then it will fall sooner or later. Take socialism for example, in essence it is a great government system, but the people distrinuting the wealth and people themselves became greedy and lazy so there's that.

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May 30, 2018, 08:55:37 AM
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It's a war. I wonder who will win. The pressure of the governments is causing irksome consequences for the bitcoin. but if the government makes the necessary arrangements, there will be no problem. i love russia and japanese. they are not afraid of technology. they are involved in the game. eger this war is over, people can not earn much from kryptod. but the market is more stable.


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Natural money is the solution to many modern problems!

Friends, we think that development of a decentralized and a digitalized economy is a modern challenge for many countries, since states lose exclusive control over monetary policy. Adaptation and compliance with the requirements of time is one of the tasks of progressive societies. The scientific and practical association Jus Naturale sees launching a self-regulating tax system based on the state crypto currency, which we call Natural Money, a way out for countries in this situation. The idea of Natural Money is a modern interpretation of the Silvio Gesell free-money idea. It is natural money in conjunction with online clearing systems like GEO that could solve many social and practical problems facing the state while ensuring society in free circulation of goods and services. Since modern scientific community is not ready to discuss this topic yet, we offer advanced crypto-community our proposals for discussion and criticism.

Read more about the idea of natural money: https://jusnaturale.com/en/ideas/natural-money/
The negative side of natural money is that the value of it is constant, never be change not like bitcoin the price of bitcoin increases and decreases . It depends on the demand of bitcoins.
i guess because unit bitcoin units are based on usd, i think if bitcoin as usd and other coins as other currencies, then this will be the same. we can see in forex trading, currency fluctuate as well

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May 30, 2018, 11:45:45 AM
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Sounds interesting, wish you a success, because the world is in desperate need of something new (about economic state system)
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June 08, 2018, 04:02:07 AM
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Natural money is the solution to many modern problems!

Friends, we think that development of a decentralized and a digitalized economy is a modern challenge for many countries, since states lose exclusive control over monetary policy. Adaptation and compliance with the requirements of time is one of the tasks of progressive societies. The scientific and practical association Jus Naturale sees launching a self-regulating tax system based on the state crypto currency, which we call Natural Money, a way out for countries in this situation. The idea of Natural Money is a modern interpretation of the Silvio Gesell free-money idea. It is natural money in conjunction with online clearing systems like GEO that could solve many social and practical problems facing the state while ensuring society in free circulation of goods and services. Since modern scientific community is not ready to discuss this topic yet, we offer advanced crypto-community our proposals for discussion and criticism.

Read more about the idea of natural money: https://jusnaturale.com/en/ideas/natural-money/
Natural money is the easiest money to use but it is much smaller value than bitcoin and other currencies. Bitcoin can give you a multiple type of ordinary when it is than converted into natural money .

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June 08, 2018, 06:38:14 AM
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Natural or Fiat money, into our lives, when the credits appeared. It was loans and borrowings that turned society and the state into slavery and the lack of the ability provide their money with resources. People have already got used to the fact that money is not provided, so some people will move to new crypto money, and the older generation will use Fiat money. But decentralization is necessary. The state will take taxes in another.

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June 08, 2018, 07:42:00 AM
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What kind of self-regulating system of taxation are you talking about? Lol. Politicians couldn't keep their hands out of the budget. What they do and politics? Maybe you believe that they go into politics to make the country better? They will never give control over taxes and nothing to even speak on this subject.
For that reason I am sure most of them will do anything in their power to maintain the current system the world uses after all, it is the most convenient system for them to be corrupt. If there would be a self regulating system of taxation, they wouldn't be able to do what they usually do. It will be hard to convince them to switch with this self regulating system because like you said they aren't in it to make the country better but to give themselves power and money.
Politicians do not disdain any methods to achieve their goals. I'm afraid that in order to prohibit the use of bitcoins, they can organize large-scale provocation. Will be implemented any large-scale terrorist attack and it will use bitcoin. Then, under the guise that it is used by terrorists he will be banned.
And by all means it really signify how terrifying the government can do based on your analogy. It is not shocking at all, because if we think about it clearly, they will really lose their power when it comes to this field, maybe they are superior enough in making laws, but in crypto, they are just mere citizens, and because of their pride and greed they will much likely use every means to provoke and prevent worst case scenarios from happening.


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June 08, 2018, 02:59:03 PM
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Natural money i think is the money we are using since the beginning to trade and buy things they need and as time passes by it changes the kind of money from things to gold and then comes the paper money and coins.

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June 08, 2018, 03:01:54 PM
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Well if people's money decayed, what incentive would people have to save their money or rather how would they save their money? I think there's a reason that every money system does not have an incorporated deflation plan.
Of course we all need money to buy things as well as buy the conditions to cover the cost of living, I also like natural money
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