Governments are Watching

[mprep]

I like the stance people take in this video: http://theriseandriseofbitcoin.com/

"you're not going to end the fed, are you?", "no, transcend the fed".

or even better the avalon dude: "we're not going to fight them, we will just ignore them".

Yeah, ignoring doesn't usually solve the problem.

[molecular]

I like the stance people take in this video: http://theriseandriseofbitcoin.com/

"you're not going to end the fed, are you?", "no, transcend the fed".

or even better the avalon dude: "we're not going to fight them, we will just ignore them".

Yeah, ignoring doesn't usually solve the problem.

[Lethn]

The thing is, I just laugh my head off at the thought of the government trying to track people on the internet, if I did ever got labelled a risk, imagine the poor sod who's going to have to go through all the porn I've downloaded and it's going to be like that for every internet person they try to track.

[mprep]

The thing is, I just laugh my head off at the thought of the government trying to track people on the internet, if I did ever got labelled a risk, imagine the poor sod who's going to have to go through all the porn I've downloaded and it's going to be like that for every internet person they try to track.

Maybe they enjoy watching all that stuff. You never know. 

[molecular]

The thing is, I just laugh my head off at the thought of the government trying to track people on the internet, if I did ever got labelled a risk, imagine the poor sod who's going to have to go through all the porn I've downloaded and it's going to be like that for every internet person they try to track.

lol. If you think they're sifting through your stuff manually in any way you are being naive.

It's not about "tracking people on the internet", it's about identifying the 'dangerous individuals'.

Google "big data". example: http://www.mckinsey.com/insights/business_technology/big_data_the_next_frontier_for_innovation

Just imagine such technology in the hands of the Nazis. example: cleansing of the "intelligentsia" in Poland by Nazis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Lviv_professors

[jackjack]

Not all governments. The French still don't know what internet is

[BitcoinFX]

Ronald J Deibert at TEDx Toronto - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAJ6BtZDhUk

Not my department [29c3] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mnuofn_DXw

"So, who is watching the watchers ?"  

[mprep]

Not all governments. The French still don't know what internet is

I think they know, they're just to stubborn to accept that the language of it's users is mostly english.

[nosurrender]

Not all governments. The French still don't know what internet is

In France exists one of the first Internet Surveillance Laws in Europe - since 2010. Internet Providers control their customers traffic for copyright infringement and after 3 violations there is a whole bunch of penalties. I´m pretty sure the French know what Internet is...

[cheesylard]

So with the announcements of the US secret projects on monitoring internet conversations, phone records and other things with agreement over multiple forms of media. What methods if any do you prefer to use to avoid this form of stalking

http://www.vice.com/read/privacys-public-death

Can we please get rid of the U.S. government now. Come on.

[Lethn]

lol. If you think they're sifting through your stuff manually in any way you are being naive.

I can understand that way of thinking, but if you think about it if they have sense of due process left they're going to be forced to go through it if they want to arrest anyone, you can't just go and make shit up otherwise you'll end up getting arrested or sued no matter who you are and of course if worse comes to worse people are going to be after your head. The only way they could get away with not checking through the stuff their systems look at manually is by being blatantly illegal and then no one would go along with it, they're digging their own graves.

[jackjack]

Internet Providers control their customers traffic for copyright infringement

Wrong.
It's the majors that look for "copyright infringement" in the bittorrent protocol (only bittorent. DDL? Streaming? What the hell are those?).
They record the IP addresses of the bad guys who upload copyrighted stuff and they send it to the Hadopi.
Then the Hadopi asks to the ISPs the person corresponding to the IP/time of dl (yes, according to the French, an IP can identify a person) and it sends an email to this person saying 'Hey, we can't prove that you downloaded but you're a bad guy for not making your internet access secure enough, you better change that'.
Yes, the French think that it is possible to make your access completely 100% secure. Not possible? That's not their business. I guess they want people to make their own WPA.

after 3 violations there is a whole bunch of penalties.

After 3 violations, the Hadopi can chose what it wants to do:

• Nothing (here too)
• Going to the court

The potential sentence in court is a fine + cut of the "criminal" internet access.
Pretty dumb as you can open another access in another ISP the day after.

Anyway, they were in total two trials since 2010. Yeah TWO!! Brrrrrrrr, scary.
Results:

• A Rihanna song: the guy was found guilty, got a 150€ fine whereas it was his ex-wife who uploaded files
• A French movie: the (old) guy was found guilty, got nothing, and it was his daughter who uploaded files

Let's sum up.
3 years, € 30M budget, 2 trials, a €150 fine.

Now it's being stopped as it's not working.

I´m pretty sure the French know what Internet is...

Yeah.
Absolutely.

[nosurrender]

Internet Providers control their customers traffic for copyright infringement

Wrong.
It's the majors that look for "copyright infringement" in the bittorrent protocol (only bittorent. DDL? Streaming? What the hell are those?).
They record the IP addresses of the bad guys who upload copyrighted stuff and they send it to the Hadopi.
Then the Hadopi asks to the ISPs the person corresponding to the IP/time of dl (yes, according to the French, an IP can identify a person) and it sends an email to this person saying 'Hey, we can't prove that you downloaded but you're a bad guy for not making your internet access secure enough, you better change that'.
Yes, the French think that it is possible to make your access completely 100% secure. Not possible? That's not their business. I guess they want people to make their own WPA.

after 3 violations there is a whole bunch of penalties.

After 3 violations, the Hadopi can chose what it wants to do:

• Nothing (here too)
• Going to the court

The potential sentence in court is a fine + cut of the "criminal" internet access.
Pretty dumb as you can open another access in another ISP the day after.

Anyway, they were in total two trials since 2010. Yeah TWO!! Brrrrrrrr, scary.
Results:

• A Rihanna song: the guy was found guilty, got a 150€ fine whereas it was his ex-wife who uploaded files
• A French movie: the (old) guy was found guilty, got nothing, and it was his daughter who uploaded files

Let's sum up.
3 years, € 30M budget, 2 trials, a €150 fine.

Now it's being stopped as it's not working.

I´m pretty sure the French know what Internet is...

Yeah.
Absolutely.

Thanks a lot for your detailed explanation.