Es geht um einen Gruppenkauf bei KNCminer Modell "Saturn"
https://www.kncminer.com/products/saturnKostenpunkt je Gerät 3795$ + 19% MwSt = 4516,05$ (+Versand)
Oder als BTC-Rechnung: 36BTC fuer 175GH/s = 4,86GH/s je BTC
(BTC-Berechnung ist immer auf Grundlage eines Euro-Kurses von 100:1)
Bei entsprechend größerem Interesse werde ich mehrere dieser schönen Geräte über einen Groupbuy kaufen und bei mir hosten
(bin vom Fach, IT-Consultant seit 15 Jahren dabei und mein Haus hätte ab dem 15.07. 200qm trockenen Keller mit einer Raumhöhe von 3m zu bieten,
also perfekt für Racks - dank geplanter Solaranlage + Windkraftwerk mit entsprechend auf ca. 20KW gerechneter Akkukapazität (Gabelstaplerbatterien)
steht einem stabilen Hosting im NRW (Kreis Lippe) nichts im Wege....
Würde bei einem Groupbuy basierend auf vier Personen je 175Gh/s-Miner rechnen(Ein Anteil von diesen vieren wird jeweils von mir gekauft).
Wäre also ein Investment von ca. 1130$ je Gerät je Person. Je nach Dollarkurs im Moment der Bezahlung ca. 900 Euro.
die "Betreibergebühr" hängt dann letzten Endes von der Gesamtanzahl der Geräte ab (Aufwand bleibt derselbe, also mehr Geräte = geringere Fee),
ich nenne hier erstmal die ueblichen 2% welche Forenstandard sind. Sollten genuegend Saturn (10+) zustande kommen an denen ich ja auch zu 1/4
beteiligt bin werde ich das vermutlich auf 1% absenken, aber das sehen wir dann.
Die Auszahlung des Ertrages abzueglich Strom- und Betreiberkosten mache ich vom Etrag byw. der Diff abhaengig.
Je nach Diff / Etrag erfolgt dieser woechentlich, 14-taegig oder monatlich.
Interesse ? dann melden ! Meine Personalien (z.B. Ausweiskopie) werden natürlich den Teilnehmern zugänglich gemacht.
Gruß Menig
EDIT: der Grund für noch einen alternativen Gruppenkauf: ich mag es nicht wenn zu viele Teilnehmer je Gerät dabei sind....
EDIT: Zoll rausgelöscht... sorry ^^
EDIT zwecks Bestellübersicht (Bestellung byw. Bezahlung immer sobald vier Shares vorliegen):
Saturn 1 : 4/4 vergeben = Menig, paul3, ImI, dsky (bestellt und Vorkasse durch mich, PreOrder-Bestellung von Menig) -Preis je Share 900 Euro
Saturn 2 : 4/4 vergeben = Menig, Crazydome80, paul3, hanspeter77 (bestellt und Vorkasse durch mich, PreOrder-Bestellung von Menig) - Preis je Share 900 Euro
Saturn 3 : 4/4 vergeben = Menig, Menig, topvmax, Hektek, (bestellt, Zahlung eingeleitet, Order #216) - Preis je Share 900 Euro
Saturn 4 : 4/4 vergeben = Menig, Puffmais, mr.pj, mr.pj (bestellt, alle Teilnehmer haben Ihre Shares bezahlt incl. "Golden Ticket" von mr.pj) - Preis je Share 1000 Euro
Saturn 5 : 4/4 vergeben = Menig, bitdaniel, bitdaniel, bitdaniel (bestellt, Zahlung eingeleitet, Nutzung "Golden Ticket" von bitdaniel) - Preis je Share 980 Euro
ALLE FÜNF SATURN SIND "Day1"Edit Zahlungsmodalitaeten
Ich zahle die Saturn per Paypal in Dollar - dabei wird mir der Eurowert genannt, 1/4 davon hat jeder zu zahlen.
Teilnehmer kann seinen Share in Euro zahlen oder in BTC, dann gilt halt der MtGox Avg um den BTC-Wert zu ermitteln
(Um Streitigkeiten zu vermeiden wird dieser bitte einfach er Screenshot belegt).
Edit Hosting
Sollte der explezite Wunsch bei allen vier Teilnehmern einer Saturn bestehen kann das Geraet auch bei KNCminer gehosted werden,
hier ist aber derzeit noch keine Betreiberfee bekannt, daher gebe ich bei jeder Bestellung zwar die Option an, entschieden wird dies
dann aber ggf. durch Mehrheitsentscheid der Teilnehmer je Geraet *deshalb sind auch derzeit kein Versandkosten in die Share-Preise einkalkuliert)
Edit Verkauf von Share
Wer seinen Share weiterverkaufen will kann dies natürlich tun - ABER: die bestehenden Shareholer an der Saturn haben Vorkaufsrecht !
Gruss Menig
News des Herstellers:
News 17 - Payment Window Closing
6/10/2013 7:10:00 PM
At midnight CET tonight (10:00pm GMT) the 7 day payment will close for new orders. Which means that all orders paid after that time will simply enter the Shipping queue on a first come first service bases.
There are however a few exceptions.
1. People having payment issues that have been previously registered with ourselves (before midnight) either via email or via phone.
2. People who are waiting on a reply to a delivery or support question form us before they are able to pay.
3. For people paying with Bank transfers. We will allow a few more days for the transfer to take place.News 18 - Queue Position Update 1
6/11/2013 7:54:00 AM
OK. The first numbers are in and its good news for the paying customers.
Before we get to that we would like to thank all of our customers for your patience and understanding. We know it’s been a long week for us and we can imagine it’s been a long week for you as well.
So the number we have for you is the position of the last place in the queue, which is currently 890. So no matter what your order number is. If you have paid already (bank transfers have been given a little more time) you are currently in no worse than 890.
We will keep working on these numbers and as soon as the Bank transfer customers have been given enough time we will publish the result and update each customer’s account the shipping number of your order.News 22 - News update
6/26/2013 1:44:00 PM
It’s time again for another newsletter from us. Today’s newsletter will have the following sections
Performance improvements to Jupiter and Saturn
Power usage
Unpaid orders
Lottery results
Queue position update
Performance improvements to Jupiter and Saturn
Here at KnCMiner we have always stated that the final performance of our machines has not been set in stone. We simply do not want to overpromise and then have to correct ourselves later.
The performance increase that we can announce today is based on direct feedback from the chip manufacturer who have been working with us for some time now. They have come back to us confirming the performance improvements in our RTL code.
So it is with great pleasure that we can finally announce our Jupiter is now a 400 GH/s device and therefore Saturn is a 200 GH/s device.
We are now so far down the chip development path that we can safely reveal these figures. There will be further announcements from us about the chip manufacture soon, and we will keep you all informed of all progress
Power usage details
We have previously specified the power consumption of the Jupiter device at a 1000 watts. We have now received indication from our chip manufacturer that this may be lower.
This is where we need to refer you to our statement of under promise and over deliver.
So until you hear from us again on this, we would like to reaffirm that Jupiter will be less than 1000 watts and Saturn less than 500 watts.
Unpaid orders
There has been some confusion about our ordering process. While we may admit that the pre-order registration, 7 day payment window, and even the wording on our site have added to the confusion.
We would like to make it clear that orders which are not paid will not be given a place in the shipping queue until they are successfully paid for.
All orders are kept in your account history and we have not removed any active (New) orders. We will shortly begin removing any unpaid orders from our system if they remain unpaid for more than 7 days.
So for those of you that have been confused by the order/queue/payment process. You will have a few more days to pay for your orders before they are removed. If you have any concerns on this please email us at info@kncminer.com
Lottery results
The lottery has now been drawn. The winners have been announced, with their permission on our webpage www.kncminer.com.
Queue position update
We know you have all been waiting for the shipping queue position update and over the next few days we will be adding a comment to your orders which will give you the day that your boxes will be made, tested and shipped.
For example Day 1/Day 2/Day 3. This will indicate how far from the start of shipping your order will dispatched. This update will not apply to new orders and will only apply to the orders which were based on pre-order registration. All other orders will be dispatched in the order of payment.
Chip Progress report
The more technical audience amongst our customers have been asking for a lot details on the chips we will use. The information we have available to you today is that Jupiter will be a 4 chip design and Saturn a 2 chip design.
This means that we can achieve a minimum of 100GH/s per chip. Which we think most people will agree, puts us far ahead of our current competitors.
Our ASIC package selection has been optimized, allowing the use of a smaller package. The selected package is a 55mm x 55mm HFCBGA package (2046 ball count), optimized for maximum thermal characteristics.
Further news
We are still on track to meet our deadlines of shipping the first boxes in September. We will be providing regular updates in newsletters here and on our site. www.kncminer.com so keep checking regularly so you don’t miss out on any updates.
Status Update
7/11/2013 11:15:00 AM
Shipping days,
As most of you are aware we have added Day 1 or Day 2 to the orders which were based on pre-registrations. This is mostly complete now with only a few exceptions needing to be solved. Going forward we will add Shipping weeks to the other orders such as Week 1 or Week 2. This will happen nearer the end of August so until then you can assume that shipment queue is based on payment date.
Chip progress
We get a lot of questions about where we are in the process of our production. We would like to assure you all that we are on track for the first shipment in September
The Chip manufacture is currently in production of the Chips and all other sub components that need to have been ordered at this stage have been.
Hosting
We have our final costs for hosting which will be 350USD per Jupiter per month with a 6 month contract as a minimum, We will only allow the Jupiter models to be housed in our secure location.
There will be a mining pool onsite that will charge a very low pool fee around 2%. Only hosting customers will be allowed to use our mining pool.
More information on the hosting will follow
Upgrade Modules
We will be adding to our shop the upgrade modules to allow customer who have purchased a Saturn to upgrade their order to a Jupiter. The same goes for a Mercury upgrade to a Saturn. These upgrades will be available in the next few days.
