Anarchy =~ Communism

[smellyBobby]

In my mind, there is no difference between Anarchy and Communism, both are based on lawlessness, mutual benefit and a non-existent human hierarchy.

This is despite on all scales and across all times of the universe there is hierarchy. From the structure of the atom, to the evolution of life, the way networks process traffic, the existence of solar systems, the fractal structure of weather systems and galaxy super-clusters there is a hierarchy where something is apart of the whole. Your telling me that somehow we humans, us mere little people are so special that we are above this rule.

That there is something so magnificent, so amazing about us that the system you propose will somehow just completely disregard this fundamental law of the universe. Your telling me that despite the recent human hierarchies, the hierarchies of our primate cousins and all other lifeforms that we are so so so special, that we are god-like and do not belong in this category.

We are gods and that we are above the rest of the universe and we are capable of creating a system that does not obey the universe. So when you say that this new Society is great, because we will be all “fundamentally equal, there will not be a hierarchy”, remember to wipe your mouth with toilet paper once you’ve finished speaking. Because what you just said is the abstract logical equivalent of what I hear at church. That your system is above the mechanics of the universe and that's why it will work. 

This why I don't bother reading about such fantasies.

Justice Dragons will always exist, get use to it and learn how to ride them.

[dutt]

Good one.

[smellyBobby]

Good one.

Now I don't feel so lonely anymore.

[Anonymous]

We're bound to evolve as a species. There are no set laws.

[billyjoeallen]

In my mind, there is no difference between Anarchy and Communism, both are based on lawlessness, mutual benefit and a non-existent human hierarchy.

by definition, anarchy is not based on hierarchy, existent or otherwise. It literally means "no hierarchy". Fail.

[smellyBobby]

In my mind, there is no difference between Anarchy and Communism, both are based on lawlessness, mutual benefit and a non-existent human hierarchy.

by definition, anarchy is not based on hierarchy, existent or otherwise. It literally means "no hierarchy". Fail.

.........EXACTLY........ did you read the actual post?

Because there is no acknowledgment of human hierarchy is the reason why it is fantasy.

[hugolp]

In my mind, there is no difference between Anarchy and Communism

Then your mind is wrong.

Btw, communism is a very hierarchical system, is political darwinism.

[smellyBobby]

Communism is a sociopolitical movement that aims for a classless and stateless society structured upon common ownership of the means of production.

Go back to school and learn to read.

[hugolp]

Communism is a sociopolitical movement that aims for a classless and stateless society structured upon common ownership of the means of production.

Go back to school and learn to read.

Its very simple to understand the difference between what someone claims and what they really offer. I know you need to act all cocky and aggressive because of your insecurity, but if you drop the attitude you will understand it.

[billyjoeallen]

In my mind, there is no difference between Anarchy and Communism, both are based on lawlessness, mutual benefit and a non-existent human hierarchy.

by definition, anarchy is not based on hierarchy, existent or otherwise. It literally means "no hierarchy". Fail.

.........EXACTLY........ did you read the actual post?

Because there is no acknowledgment of human hierarchy is the reason why it is fantasy.

Then you need to learn how to write. What you apparently meant and what you wrote are not the same thing. "anarchy [is] based on...hierarchy." doesn't mean the same thing at all as "anarchy is based on the belief that hierarchy doesn't exist, shouldn't exist, can't exist or doesn't necessarily have to exist."

[smellyBobby]

In my mind, there is no difference between Anarchy and Communism, both are based on lawlessness, mutual benefit and a non-existent human hierarchy.

by definition, anarchy is not based on hierarchy, existent or otherwise. It literally means "no hierarchy". Fail.

.........EXACTLY........ did you read the actual post?

Because there is no acknowledgment of human hierarchy is the reason why it is fantasy.

Then you need to learn how to write. What you apparently meant and what you wrote are not the same thing. "anarchy [is] based on...hierarchy." doesn't mean the same thing at all as
"anarchy is based on the belief that hierarchy doesn't exist, shouldn't exist, can't exist or doesn't necessarily have to exist."

Can you please clarify? I'm genuinely interested your point about how I wrote it.

I wrote  "anarchy [is] based on... [non-existent] hierarchy." ? That is incorrect?
And you acknowledge that what I'm trying to say is: "anarchy is based on the belief that hierarchy doesn't exist, shouldn't exist, can't exist or doesn't necessarily have to exist." ?

[smellyBobby]

Communism is a sociopolitical movement that aims for a classless and stateless society structured upon common ownership of the means of production.

Go back to school and learn to read.

Its very simple to understand the difference between what someone claims and what they really offer. I know you need to act all cocky and aggressive because of your insecurity, but if you drop the attitude you will understand it.

Go take it up with Wikipedia.

[myrkul]

You know what, you're right. I'll give up all my ways that don't conform to the rest of the universe.

I'll stop talking, nothing else talks.
I'll stop wearing clothes, nothing else wears clothes.
I'll stop living in a house. Nothing else does that either.
I'll stop thinking, we're the only species on the planet that does that.
I'm going to turn off my computer now and throw it away, since none of the rest of the universe uses tools.

[hugolp]

Communism is a sociopolitical movement that aims for a classless and stateless society structured upon common ownership of the means of production.

Go back to school and learn to read.

Its very simple to understand the difference between what someone claims and what they really offer. I know you need to act all cocky and aggressive because of your insecurity, but if you drop the attitude you will understand it.

Go take it up with Wikipedia.

I think this answer says everything people need to know about you.

[smellyBobby]

Not worth the key-strokes.

[billyjoeallen]

In my mind, there is no difference between Anarchy and Communism, both are based on lawlessness, mutual benefit and a non-existent human hierarchy.

by definition, anarchy is not based on hierarchy, existent or otherwise. It literally means "no hierarchy". Fail.

.........EXACTLY........ did you read the actual post?

Because there is no acknowledgment of human hierarchy is the reason why it is fantasy.

Then you need to learn how to write. What you apparently meant and what you wrote are not the same thing. "anarchy [is] based on...hierarchy." doesn't mean the same thing at all as
"anarchy is based on the belief that hierarchy doesn't exist, shouldn't exist, can't exist or doesn't necessarily have to exist."

Can you please clarify? I'm genuinely interested your point about how I wrote it.

I wrote  "anarchy [is] based on... [non-existent] hierarchy." ? That is incorrect?
And you acknowledge that what I'm trying to say is: "anarchy is based on the belief that hierarchy doesn't exist, shouldn't exist, can't exist or doesn't necessarily have to exist." ?

Anarchy isn't based on hierarchy, extant or otherwise. Anarchy is based on certain BELIEFS concerning hierarchy.

As an anarchist, I acknowledge that hierarchy exists and can't be eliminated entirely. I seek to minimize it, particularly the hierarchy that allows force to prevail over reason, as I believe it to be generally harmful.  While I am opposed to monopoly governance, I acknowledge that rules are necessary and even desirable, provided they are good rules.  There are always trade-offs between freedom and security, but I default towards liberty.

[myrkul]

Not worth the key-strokes.

Heh. Your troll-fu is weak, son.

[smellyBobby]

You know what, you're right.

I'm grateful that I could help another understand the less obvious workings of the universe. I'm truly humbled.

[smellyBobby]

Has anyone bothered to discuss this? IMO this is an essential topic.

What distinguishes one from the other?


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Why was this moved? This had its own thread.

[JA37]

I've noticed something similar.

AnCapist: The free market will solve everything.
Other: Well, we've had a very free market and it hasn't solved [issue].
AnCapist: That's because the market wasn't free enough. We've never had a free market.

Communist: Communism will solve everything.
Other: Well, it's been tried and it didn't solve [issue].
Communist: That's because we didn't go far enough. We never had real communism.