YACoin Info And Communication Thread For Newbies YAC the CPU/GPU Mined coin

[YacLives]

         Put your cpus' to work while you mine Bitcoin
Hi i just wanted to start a thread in the newbie section for all the new commers to
YACoin or people who are lurkers who wanted to ask any questions about
YACoin all the "How to" and "What If" that dont have a full access account yet

Im not a very good typer, speller or punctuator (is that even a word) but i will endeavour to keep this thread up to date with the latest software/links to
regarding YACoin how to start mining ect ect, and when i get out of newbie jail i will tell the other YAC enthusiest about it and they can also help
keep the thread alive
 
YACoin is currently on http://bter.com/trade/yac_btc trading and has been very stable

So lets get started, the main development thread where Windmaster our newly self appointed lightening rod lives
you can find mostly everything and everyone here like the new client updates ect ect

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=206577.0

http://yacointalk.com/
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Windamasters git repository

https://github.com/yacoin/yacoin

YACoin Think Tank

http://yacointalk.com/index.php/topic,273.0.html

Newest YACoin wallet

Newest Windows client
http://yacointalk.com/index.php/topic,294.msg1114.html#msg1114


Dependancys for Ububtu
sudo apt-get install build-essential libssl-dev libdb5.1-dev libdb5.1++-dev libboost-all-dev git
For Debian (stable)
sudo apt-get install build-essential libssl-dev libdb4.8-dev libdb4.8++-dev libboost-all-dev git
Download the source from Windmasters repos
git clone https://github.com/yacoin/yacoin
Change directory now to get started
cd yacoin/src
Change the -j4 to however many cores you have
make -j4 -f makefile.unix USE_UPNP=
Copy yacoind into /usr/bin
sudo cp yacoind /usr/bin/yacoind
With that installed now we have to make a config file
mkdir ~/.yacoin
If you dont have nano get it by typing
sudo apt-get install nano
Now to edit the conf file
sudo nano ~/.yacoin/yacoin.conf
Enter the following and when your're done press Ctrl X to save
server=1
daemon=1
rpcallowip=127.0.0.1
rpcuser=HardToGuessUsername
rpcpassword=HardToGuessPassword
You can start the deamon by just typing yacoind in terminal
give it some time to download the entire blockchain before you expect correct and current info
by typing yacoind getinfo, yacoind getmininginfo or ./yacoind help to see other commands to get your address or balence ect ect
or you can use the gui interface by typing yacoin



Here is the main YACoin p2pool thread with the software to also run your own node or just mine from others

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=202920.0

                 Mining software

Experimental GPU Miner

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232241.0 <<<Tested and works visit here aswell to see how to best configure your card http://yacointalk.com/index.php/topic,274.msg1011.html#msg1011

CPU Miner

http://yacointalk.com/index.php/topic,264.0.html <<<Ive tested this and its a huge increase on the unfinished work here>> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=201027.0
extract the folder then make a new text doc in the folder and type

 minerd-avx.exe -a scrypt-jane -o http://84.200.240.198:8336/ -u YNyJ9qp6eSQmjra5gDFreoKMLtvNPrMMmJ -t 8 -q

editing your own address and prefered p2pool or mining pool just edit after the url and make -u YourMiningPoolUsername -p YourMiningPoolPaasword and edit -t to however many cores you want o use

now save as and give it a name followed by .bat (yacminer.bat) then choose all files in the drop down menu at the bottom then save and run that bat file to start your miner

Linux software

https://github.com/ali1234/cpuminer

Building in linux

sudo apt-get install git
sudo apt-get install libcurl4-openssl-dev automake make
Then download and build the miner:

git clone https://github.com/ali1234/cpuminer
cd cpuminer
sudo ./autogen.sh
sudo ./configure CFLAGS="-O3"
sudo make

This should be enough and more or less easy..
 Now you're ready to mine YACs. You can run the miner in backgroud with nohup (below is a sample for first YAC pools):

nohup ./minerd -a scrypt-jane -o http://YOURMININGPOOLADDRESS -u user -p password -t 4 -r 9999 2>&1 &

or for a P2pool which is more recommended as its usually free and you get a payout each block solved
nohup ./minerd -o http://84.200.240.198:8336 -u YNyJ9qp6eSQmjra5gDFreoKMLtvNPrMMmJ<<<<be sure to change this to your own addy. -a scrypt-jane -t8 -q -r 9999 2>&1 &

and remember to change the cores it uses by editing the -t option to the amount of cores you want to use ( -t8 for 8 cores -t6 for 6 cores)

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[YacLives]

Get on board and get YAC some serious exposure!!! read here >>http://yacointalk.com/index.php/topic,296.msg1120.html#msg1120

[amytheplanarshift]

Great thread! Thanks for this!

[ranlo]

Thanks for the info! It'd help to have more information on its development as of lately, plans for the near/distant future, etc.

[cdqbj]

Thanks for the info!

[bitdwarf]

Bump for teh win.

[askou]

Thanks for the info!

[yulongcw]

Thanks for the info!

[btccn]

Thanks for the info!

[comeagain]

Great thread!

[recome]

3q

[lxljr]

thank you:-*
 

[chdrg]

yacoin is very good

[email]

YAC the CPU mined 。very good。

[Boing7898]

Thanks for this informational thread!

[dongshanwew]

Thanks for the info!

[Bitcoin Merchant]

YACoin owner owns half the supply and will sell once yac is worth anything, AVOID AT ALL COSTS.

[Boing7898]

YACoin owner owns half the supply and will sell once yac is worth anything, AVOID AT ALL COSTS.

Sure.. 

[YacLives]

Updated with Experimental GPU Miner 

[Beave162]

Can someone explain to me what will happen to the viability of GPU mining with the N-increases?  It is basically going to be more RAM dependent?

[St.Bit]

Can someone explain to me what will happen to the viability of GPU mining with the N-increases?  It is basically going to be more RAM dependent?

ad1) That's an interresting question, but I don't know if there is a reliable answer to this yet.

It's supposed that CPU stays very competable, but since CPUs will be required to use data from RAM and GPU's GDDR is far faster I'm not 100% sure about this. Only time can tell how CPUs and GPUs will function in the future and what system will be the most profitable.

Nevertheless the difference won't be several magnitudes so CPU can at least coexist.

ad2) Yes, it will become far more RAM dependent.
The memory requirement is for one core and GPUs have far more cores than CPUs.

[yajos]

Great thread.
Thanks!

[YacLives]

Can someone explain to me what will happen to the viability of GPU mining with the N-increases?  It is basically going to be more RAM dependent?

ad1) That's an interresting question, but I don't know if there is a reliable answer to this yet.

It's supposed that CPU stays very competable, but since CPUs will be required to use data from RAM and GPU's GDDR is far faster I'm not 100% sure about this. Only time can tell how CPUs and GPUs will function in the future and what system will be the most profitable.

Nevertheless the difference won't be several magnitudes so CPU can at least coexist.

ad2) Yes, it will become far more RAM dependent.
The memory requirement is for one core and GPUs have far more cores than CPUs.

Agreed and i have seen the argument about the cpu mem speed being somewhat ok for the N-increases given we are getting larger L3 caches on chips these days.

The argument was that server CPUs' seem to take less of a hit to hash rates after the N-increases

for example the the Xeon 6500/7500 with 8 cores/16 threads boasts a whopping 24mb of L3 thats 3mb per core....so interesting to see how viable GPU will remain after/if someone releases their optimised GPU miner

[petesays]

This is what each coin should be doing. The value of a new coin would be enhanced if they could get the new people on board. This makes it easier to get going, because you wouldn't have to track down all the info and figure out how it works.

Excellent job.

[St.Bit]

Agreed and i have seen the argument about the cpu mem speed being somewhat ok for the N-increases given we are getting larger L3 caches on chips these days.

L3 alone won't be sufficent. There are already the first CPUs with L4, but I suppose some new sort of small and fast GDDRx that be added to the mainboard will make it. (like in PS3)

I really like the N-increase since it takes further PC development into consideration. If we had the first crypto in the 90' the memory requirements today would be so ridiculous small that even GPUs couldn't compete against highly paralellized ASICS or FPGAs. YAC satisfies the demand for a crypto that is mineable on standard PCs.

[YacLives]

Agreed and i have seen the argument about the cpu mem speed being somewhat ok for the N-increases given we are getting larger L3 caches on chips these days.

L3 alone won't be sufficent. There are already the first CPUs with L4, but I suppose some new sort of small and fast GDDRx that be added to the mainboard will make it. (like in PS3)

I really like the N-increase since it takes further PC development into consideration. If we had the first crypto in the 90' the memory requirements today would be so ridiculous small that even GPUs couldn't compete against highly paralellized ASICS or FPGAs. YAC satisfies the demand for a crypto that is mineable on standard PCs.

Well put, i wonder how spintronics will work with this type of hashing.
In my opinion it should be amazing and will keep CPU mining very competative in the future.

[St.Bit]

Well put, i wonder how spintronics will work with this type of hashing.
In my opinion it should be amazing and will keep CPU mining very competative in the future.

I'm sorry to disapoint you, but the effect on that is zero.

If MRAM really replaces DRAM or this 'd leed to a total new technology it will be used on both, CPU and GPU. The nice properties of YACs hash algorithm make it very stable against technological advance. Most other hash algorithms will be performed by ASICs or FPGA in the future when they become even too simple tasks for GPU. (far future)

The only way I see YAC to loose the homemining ability requires an extreme technological breakthrue and extreme high prices. Since the calculations for its mining are quiet similiar to standard computing even then it's unlikely to become impossible on standard home hardware like bitcoin will in a few month.

[Beave162]

Thank you for the input.  I think I understand better, but it definitely feels like I have to learn a different language to understand you smart computer-types sometimes.

So if I understand correctly... GPUs are generally built with less RAM per core compared to CPUs since not a lot of memory storage is required when processing graphics.  Thus, CPUs are built with 4-16 gigs of RAM while GPUs don't go beyond a couple megs PER CORE.  I guess my next question is... how simple would it be to design/rig a GPU with CPU-sized RAM?  Could it be done just by software design?  I'm revealing my ignorance, but I would really appreciate more light shined on the hardware/software implications.

The way I see it, YaCoin is the only coin since LiteCoin to offer a true alternative in cryptocurrencies.  It seems to actually require different investment in what could be considered the most important aspect of these coins which is the mining.  The other coins attempt to gain value by essentially stealing from the investment of btc/ltc as you have to choose which ones to direct your mining operations.  With YaCoin, you can mine it while, let's say, still mining LTC on your GPU and not worry that you are diverting your resources, your investment to a less profitable option.

[St.Bit]

So if I understand correctly... GPUs are generally built with less RAM per core compared to CPUs since not a lot of memory storage is required when processing graphics.  Thus, CPUs are built with 4-16 gigs of RAM while GPUs don't go beyond a couple megs PER CORE.

GPUs have GDDR on the card that is a special, ultrafast DDR RAM. It's far bigger than caches for CPUs (12Mb vs 1Gb) and their only problem is the memory per core since they have a lot of cores. I belive it is unlikely that there will be enough GDDR on standard graphic cards since this gives no advantage for their usual workload and requires a lot of work.

On the other hand it is just a matter of time when RAM gets so big that the size difference between onCPU memory and RAM make it interresting to add faster GDDRx on mainboards. L3 on CPU chip(MB)<GDDR next to CPU(few GB)<RAM(several GB)<SSD(lots of GB)<HDD(and so on)<NAS<... while speed is the opposite.

How simple would it be to design/rig a GPU with CPU-sized RAM?

I don't know, but I suppose special YAC hardware will never or only on rare occasions pay off their initial developing costs. Even if you get the RAM on a custom board the GPU still has limitations on transfer speed and such. This could easyly get very messy.

If some mainboard producer adds GDDRx on a blade mainboard all your effords would be useless. The performance gain compared to CPUs with GDDR would be reduced to a minimum. Other factors, f.e energy costs would dominate this so hard that money should be spent on these to improve.

[YacLives]

Updated: GPU miner, with links to guide to configure to your card http://yacointalk.com/index.php/topic,274.msg1011.html#msg1011

[Beave162]

My next question... I have a LTC miner app on my phone that gets around 30 hashes/s which basically gets me nothing.  However, would this be feasible down the road with YAC?  Would it be worth using the computing power on your smart phone to mine assuming no specialized hardware at that point?  These are really more questions on the relationship between computing power and RAM.  Thanks again.

[St.Bit]

Would it be worth using the computing power on your smart phone to mine assuming no specialized hardware at that point?

No, that's just a waste of time.

[YacLives]

Update: new Windows client http://yacointalk.com/index.php/topic,294.msg1114.html#msg1114


Enjoy.

[YacLives]

Edited second post showing where to go to start getting some EASY exposure for YACoin  

                or you can click here   http://yacointalk.com/index.php/topic,296.msg1120.html#msg1120

[Beave162]

I installed that new windows client and ran the daemon exe.  It crashes everytime I open it now...   I'm worried I just dloaded a virus.

[sirbellos]

you got to look for the qt client daemon is command line only

[Beave162]

you got to look for the qt client daemon is command line only

The qt client crashes every time I run it.  Anyone else having this problem?

[YacLives]

you got to look for the qt client daemon is command line only

The qt client crashes every time I run it.  Anyone else having this problem?

are you running any other clients at the same time? what os are you using?

[chedros]

The qt client crashes every time I run it.  Anyone else having this problem?

+1
win8 x64, other clients are not running this time

[ranlo]

Would it be worth using the computing power on your smart phone to mine assuming no specialized hardware at that point?

No, that's just a waste of time.

This. The computing power of phones is pretty low. Computers are only viable because they have real CPU's; phones are very watered down versions of computers.

[YacLives]

The qt client crashes every time I run it.  Anyone else having this problem?

+1
win8 x64, other clients are not running this time

So, did you get it going or is it still a problem?

[Beave162]

The qt client crashes every time I run it.  Anyone else having this problem?

+1
win8 x64, other clients are not running this time

So, did you get it going or is it still a problem?

Thanks for the help, YacLives.  I am running Windows 8 64-bit.  I guess I'll just deal with the error of "Checkpoint is too old"

[Alexander The Great]

YAC is one of my favorite alts next to my #1 which is feathercoin. I like YAC because not to much supply of it.

[YacLives]

The qt client crashes every time I run it.  Anyone else having this problem?

+1
win8 x64, other clients are not running this time

So, did you get it going or is it still a problem?

Thanks for the help, YacLives.  I am running Windows 8 64-bit.  I guess I'll just deal with the error of "Checkpoint is too old"

You can find a working update for windows 7 here http://yacointalk.com/index.php/topic,294.msg1114.html#msg1114 it was in my op

[Beave162]

The qt client crashes every time I run it.  Anyone else having this problem?

+1
win8 x64, other clients are not running this time

So, did you get it going or is it still a problem?

Thanks for the help, YacLives.  I am running Windows 8 64-bit.  I guess I'll just deal with the error of "Checkpoint is too old"

You can find a working update for windows 7 here http://yacointalk.com/index.php/topic,294.msg1114.html#msg1114 it was in my op

I am confused... I am running Windows 8, not Windows 7.  I am getting that exact problem discussed in the thread.  It just crashes unexpectedly with that qt client...

[YacLives]

The qt client crashes every time I run it.  Anyone else having this problem?

+1
win8 x64, other clients are not running this time

So, did you get it going or is it still a problem?

Thanks for the help, YacLives.  I am running Windows 8 64-bit.  I guess I'll just deal with the error of "Checkpoint is too old"

You can find a working update for windows 7 here http://yacointalk.com/index.php/topic,294.msg1114.html#msg1114 it was in my op

I am confused... I am running Windows 8, not Windows 7.  I am getting that exact problem discussed in the thread.  It just crashes unexpectedly with that qt client...

wow my bad i need some sleep i kept thinking it was win 7 haha but for now that checkpoint should not be a problem so running it will be ok because they really didnt change to much in this update
ill put the word out for you in the mean time

[YacLives]

Updated with new http://Pool.Yacointalk.com pool with is super fast payouts and super fast server and connection for more efficient mining