CanadianGuy - self admitted scammer

[Matthew N. Wright]

Scammer tag for those not honoring bets would be good for the forums. Let's not forget that a bet involves money, and if "CanadianGuy" would have won, he would have gladly taken the money. If he loses, he doesn't pay - win/win for him, and definitely a scam.

I would even go further and apply a scammer tag to the jokers that a) create auctions and then do not honor the winner because the final price is not high enough, without having established a minimum price; b) do not honour their bids in auctions; c) pump the price in public auctions with "bids received by PM" that nobody can verify.

I know that all the above is not technically a scam (well, probably C is), but some control to the auctions subforums would do good to everybody. Otherwise, half of the auctions are just an ugly way to lose time.

This. Everytime I call these creeps out personally I get a general consensus of the sockpuppet army that it's "not scamming". Bullshit.

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[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

So, when is he getting the scammer tag?

I wish not to be THE one to add it (first) but this is really interesting, and this "Canadian" is just not coming through to make everyone "happy"

I left scammer feedback for him.

[johnblaze]

I left scammer feedback for him.

thank you sir

[Matthew N. Wright]

So, when is he getting the scammer tag?

I wish not to be THE one to add it (first) but this is really interesting, and this "Canadian" is just not coming through to make everyone "happy"

I left scammer feedback for him.

Did he scam you? Were you affected by his intended scam? Did you ever even have a transaction with him that went bad? (No I'm not defending his sleezy actions, I'm just questioning allowing non-connected parties to give feedback to others).

This is what I'm not liking about the transaction independent ratings on this forum now. It's too easy to astroturf opinions. You could (as you do for all your advertisements) just pay 20 people to post a negative feedback on someone else and make it appear that they are in fact bad. This forum pretends to manage reputations by giving scammer tags to those who cheat and steal, but it fails to manage against the most fragile part of a reputation-- susceptibility to libel and slander.

I'm not talking about CanadianGuy here whom I know nothing about, but in this cultist community it's very easy for 10 people who are in cahoots to cast doubt on otherwise respectable people to the point that people will hesitate to do business with them. The forum needs to either start managing reputations fiercely, or stop doing it at all. Reputation should not be based on the opinions of those that have nothing to do with them.

Random sockpuppet: I don't like TradeFortress, so I'm going to create 10 accounts and call him a scammer on all of them.
Newbie: That tradefortress has too many scammer accusations, I'm afraid to do business with them.
Moderator: Free market herp derp

[johnblaze]

@firefop

apparently you have not actually read the thread, so i will clarify your fine points

jb posted he would take the 1 btc bet. on the next page cg posted "all bets confirmed."

Is that a statement that all best are before the post are accepted?

yes.

or is cg simply stating that he's confirmed the bets he's willing to accept and implying that betting is closed?

no.

After this jb starts insulting cg and demanding that he confirm the bet... which implies that jb was under the impression that without confirmation the bet wasn't on.

no.

i asked for confirmation of my bet in the very first post that i made, when i initially offered to take his bet. as soon as he confirmed in his next post then the bet is on. i too believe it is best to be as verbose as possible and this is exactly what i did. if you notice, i was the first bettor to actually request confirmation, because i'm well aware of the ambiguities that can arise in these situations. this is not the first time i've made internet forum bets in this fashion.

here is the order of things that happened before i started "insulting" him (if you want to call it that)

1. he refused to pay out the bet to me and the other guy
2. FOUR people corrected him
3. he claimed all four people were wrong, and refused AGAIN to pay
4. i then called him a scammer

i guess this is an "insult" in your book

Hair pulling slap fighting histrionics aside, I would have wanted to treat jb the same in this situation

hey at least you and CanadianGuy share the same ethics. maybe you should get a "potential scammer" tag

[Rampion]

johnblaze (probably unbeknownst to him) apparently decided to do business with a 13 year old and not hammer out the details. 
johnblaze appears to have said enough things to warrant at least the intelligence of someone of (akin to "legal age" or "age of consent) responsible age.  I don't know how true / relevant any of that is, though.

i told my dad about this and he's talking to a lawyer who specializes in US-canadian cases.  Defammation of a minor is a serious offense.

Your dad should be beating your ass off for gambling with what probably is his money on the interwebz.

If he is really talking to a layer, he's a full retard - you can tell him to fuck off on my behalf.

Sorry guys, I couldn't help it, this kind of utter stupidity is really beyond me.

[Vod]

i told my dad about this and he's talking to a lawyer who specializes in US-canadian cases.  Defammation of a minor is a serious offense.

   No, it's not, and I doubt you would tell your dad you scammed someone.

You're a liar, boy.  I'm not going to believe another word you say.

[NoBit]

johnblaze (probably unbeknownst to him) apparently decided to do business with a 13 year old and not hammer out the details. 
johnblaze appears to have said enough things to warrant at least the intelligence of someone of (akin to "legal age" or "age of consent) responsible age.  I don't know how true / relevant any of that is, though.

i told my dad about this and he's talking to a lawyer who specializes in US-canadian cases.  Defammation of a minor is a serious offense.

I think you should pay johnblaze. apparently he is 12 y.o. and lacks patience but you lost the bet.

[SgtSpike]

Scammer tag for those not honoring bets would be good for the forums. Let's not forget that a bet involves money, and if "CanadianGuy" would have won, he would have gladly taken the money. If he loses, he doesn't pay - win/win for him, and definitely a scam.

I would even go further and apply a scammer tag to the jokers that a) create auctions and then do not honor the winner because the final price is not high enough, without having established a minimum price; b) do not honour their bids in auctions; c) pump the price in public auctions with "bids received by PM" that nobody can verify.

I know that all the above is not technically a scam (well, probably C is), but some control to the auctions subforums would do good to everybody. Otherwise, half of the auctions are just an ugly way to lose time.

I completely agree.  If you make a financial promise and fail to hold up that promise, and fail to make retribution for not holding up that promise, then you deserve the scammer tag.

So, when is he getting the scammer tag?

I wish not to be THE one to add it (first) but this is really interesting, and this "Canadian" is just not coming through to make everyone "happy"

I left scammer feedback for him.

Did he scam you? Were you affected by his intended scam? Did you ever even have a transaction with him that went bad? (No I'm not defending his sleezy actions, I'm just questioning allowing non-connected parties to give feedback to others).

This is what I'm not liking about the transaction independent ratings on this forum now. It's too easy to astroturf opinions. You could (as you do for all your advertisements) just pay 20 people to post a negative feedback on someone else and make it appear that they are in fact bad. This forum pretends to manage reputations by giving scammer tags to those who cheat and steal, but it fails to manage against the most fragile part of a reputation-- susceptibility to libel and slander.

I'm not talking about CanadianGuy here whom I know nothing about, but in this cultist community it's very easy for 10 people who are in cahoots to cast doubt on otherwise respectable people to the point that people will hesitate to do business with them. The forum needs to either start managing reputations fiercely, or stop doing it at all. Reputation should not be based on the opinions of those that have nothing to do with them.

Random sockpuppet: I don't like TradeFortress, so I'm going to create 10 accounts and call him a scammer on all of them.
Newbie: That tradefortress has too many scammer accusations, I'm afraid to do business with them.
Moderator: Free market herp derp

This problem exists whether there is a reputation rating or not.  People can sockpuppet threads and call a perfectly innocent person a liar and a thief just as easily as they can leave negative feedback ratings that point to such sockpuppet posts.  It's not something that can be easily dealt with by any service providing reputations for their members.  eBay, heatware, etc all have the same potential problem.

[bitwhizz]

your all getting a hard on becouse canadianguy did't payout to  an arrogant noob who offended him? give me a break. what is a SCAM is BFL JOSH or known on bitcoin talk forum IBANA, who has millions of dollars in pre orders which hasnt been delivered after a year on non existent product  ssuch as the mini rigs. much more important scam accusations than this

[johnblaze]

bitcointalk ethics:

its ok to steal from one person as long as its a small amount. its only a valid complaint if you steal millions

i'm sorry if i hurt CanadianGuy's feelings by speaking the truth. but that's no excuse for non-payment.

[SgtSpike]

your all getting a hard on becouse canadianguy did't payout to  an arrogant noob who offended him? give me a break. what is a SCAM is BFL JOSH or known on bitcoin talk forum IBANA, who has millions of dollars in pre orders which hasnt been delivered after a year on non existent product  ssuch as the mini rigs. much more important scam accusations than this

Let's recap the two situations.

BFL:
- Owes either a mining machine or a refund.
- Is happy to provide a refund to anyone who doesn't want to wait for a mining machine.

CanadianGuy:
- Owes johnblaze 1 BTC.
- Refuses to pay johnblaze anything.

[Kluge]

your all getting a hard on becouse canadianguy did't payout to  an arrogant noob who offended him? give me a break. what is a SCAM is BFL JOSH or known on bitcoin talk forum IBANA, who has millions of dollars in pre orders which hasnt been delivered after a year on non existent product  ssuch as the mini rigs. much more important scam accusations than this

Let's recap the two situations.

BFL:
- Owes either a mining machine or a refund.
- Is happy to provide a refund to anyone who doesn't want to wait for a mining machine.

CanadianGuy:
- Owes johnblaze 1 BTC.
- Refuses to pay johnblaze anything.

BFL forced a refund because the buyer complained. The buyer did not request it. The buyer was refunded the nominal amount he paid even though they had the buyer wait for months, well past when they were supposed to deliver.

[SgtSpike]

your all getting a hard on becouse canadianguy did't payout to  an arrogant noob who offended him? give me a break. what is a SCAM is BFL JOSH or known on bitcoin talk forum IBANA, who has millions of dollars in pre orders which hasnt been delivered after a year on non existent product  ssuch as the mini rigs. much more important scam accusations than this

Let's recap the two situations.

BFL:
- Owes either a mining machine or a refund.
- Is happy to provide a refund to anyone who doesn't want to wait for a mining machine.

CanadianGuy:
- Owes johnblaze 1 BTC.
- Refuses to pay johnblaze anything.

BFL forced a refund because the buyer complained. The buyer did not request it. The buyer was refunded the nominal amount he paid even though they had the buyer wait for months, well past when they were supposed to deliver.

I think the main difference is that BFL, as a company, can choose to do business or not do business with whomever they want.  It doesn't bode well on their reputation that they did it, but they didn't scam anyone in my opinion - they gave the guy a full refund.  It is certainly a gray area though.

[bitwhizz]

the guy who was forced refunded lost 1000's of dollars from the bitcoin price appreciation, so yes he lost more

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BFL is a company

Canadianguy is not a casino, betting exchange, or a legal contractor of bets

[Rampion]

the guy who was forced refunded lost 1000's of dollars from the bitcoin price appreciation, so yes he lost more

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BFL is a company

Canadianguy is not a casino, betting exchange, or a legal contractor of bets

No, he's just a scammer. He bets with other members of these forums and if he wins he takes the money, if he loses he defaults.

[shawshankinmate37927]

I agree with a scammer tag for him.  He shouldn't be promising to pay out on bets, only to renig on that promise when someone calls him a bad name.  You can dislike someone all you want, but you still have to hold up your end of any deals you make.

I agree.

Like when you sell ~16 BTC to someone with perfect reputation, and they later decide they don't approve of how you may have gained those bitcoins. Then they cancel the wire and cost you $1600.

Scammers. D:::::::

You were trying to sell coins that were acquired through fraud and failed to inform the buyer of this.  No comparison.

[SgtSpike]

the guy who was forced refunded lost 1000's of dollars from the bitcoin price appreciation, so yes he lost more

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BFL is a company

Canadianguy is not a casino, betting exchange, or a legal contractor of bets

It was his choice to use BTC to pay for his order, fully knowing that the miners were listed for sale with prices in USD, and that the price refunded would have been the equivalent USD amount.  He could have paid USD for his order, and not lost any price appreciation.  If he wasn't sure about the terms of BFL's refund policy, he should have contacted them to make sure about it prior to making an order.

[johnblaze]

the guy who was forced refunded lost 1000's of dollars from the bitcoin price appreciation, so yes he lost more

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BFL is a company

Canadianguy is not a casino, betting exchange, or a legal contractor of bets

bitwhizz logic:

1. if the amount of money you lose is not a lot, then its ok to be scammed

2. if the person who scammed you is not a legitimate business, then it is ok to be scammed

[Matthew N. Wright]

the guy who was forced refunded lost 1000's of dollars from the bitcoin price appreciation, so yes he lost more

+

BFL is a company

Canadianguy is not a casino, betting exchange, or a legal contractor of bets

bitwhizz logic:

1. if the amount of money you lose is not a lot, then its ok to be scammed

2. if the person who scammed you is not a legitimate business, then it is ok to be scammed

3. if you use a sockpuppet, no one will know you're CanadianGuy