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November 29, 2017, 09:25:06 PM
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Anyone using this with simplemining?  Everytime it reboots it hangs :/
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November 29, 2017, 09:29:49 PM
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You did NOT take the total system cost into account.
 Try adding $40-$50 to the price of each card THEN compare - and that's being optimistic as I don't think you can build a viable *8 slot* system for $320. It's hard enough building a viable *6 slot* system for $320, if at all possible.
 
 Dual mine of DCR does in fact impact ETH hashrate - that's been WIDELY reported on the Claymore dual mining thread - though it's not a big impact, 10-20% per most of the reports.


 I do agree that relative profitability can vary - ETH in the last week has kicked up a lot more than ZEC has as a percentage, which is giving a bigger boost to ETH mining than to ZEC mining which is at least for the short term boosting the profits on AMD cards more than NVidia cards, at least 'till folks start building enough rigs to drive the diff up to match the price increase.


 It would have been interesting to see how the numbers compared a month ago, when both ETH and ZEC were a lot lower priced and fairly CLOSE on price (and both had a bit less network hashrate).


By the way, the figures i reported for AMD are quite conservative, and definitely include the slight impact of dual mining
So here i am going to add 50$ on top of each card:
1) ASUS Dual GeForce GTX 1070 OC, DUAL-GTX1070-O8G
This card costs 406 EUR in Europe, this is the lowest price possible here for this card
The hash rates ranges from 420 to 480, so I picked up somewhere in the middle 450
Power draw ranges from 120 to 140, so I left it at 120 K\W
The results are 2.62$ net profit per day
If we divide 2.62$ by 456 EUR we get  0.0057$ return on each invested EUR

Now lets compare this with AMD RX 580 card:
1) AMD Sapphire RX 580 Nitro Video Card + 8GB
This card costs only 291 EUR here in Europe
The hash rate can get easily stable at 29 MH/s mining ETH
It can also dual mine DCR at 900 MH\s without impacting the hashrate of ETH
This will draw below 130 W, but to be on the safe side I use 130 W
The result is 2.48$ a day (net)
2.48$ divided by 341 EUR initial cost of GPU, will leave us with 0.0073 $ return on each invested EUR
0.0073 - 0.0057 = 0.0016
0.0016 divided by 0.0057 is 21.5% higher return from AMD compared to Nvidia

by the way, if we switch to 13 GPU Mobos we can dramatically reduce the common fixed costs, but as you can see over 20% is still to the side of AMD, which is not little at all
I have been doing such comparisons for the last two months, and i NEVER managed to find an Nvidia card outperforming AMD card, specially if we focus only on the 8GB and above, because anything bellow this could easily become useless within a year, specially the 4GB versions (depending on the currency you mine of course)

Once again, this makes me REALLY very puzzled why would anyone invest on Nvidia cards from PURE financial perspective? I see people building an entire farm of up to 100 1080 TI GPUs, and i wonder if they invested the same amount of money on AMD 580 would they have made more money? All #s indicate that they should make much more on the 580s. So why would someone invest over 100K$ for less ROI?

This makes me feel that i am missing something here
what is it?
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November 29, 2017, 11:45:36 PM
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You did NOT take the total system cost into account.
 Try adding $40-$50 to the price of each card THEN compare - and that's being optimistic as I don't think you can build a viable *8 slot* system for $320. It's hard enough building a viable *6 slot* system for $320, if at all possible.
 
 Dual mine of DCR does in fact impact ETH hashrate - that's been WIDELY reported on the Claymore dual mining thread - though it's not a big impact, 10-20% per most of the reports.


 I do agree that relative profitability can vary - ETH in the last week has kicked up a lot more than ZEC has as a percentage, which is giving a bigger boost to ETH mining than to ZEC mining which is at least for the short term boosting the profits on AMD cards more than NVidia cards, at least 'till folks start building enough rigs to drive the diff up to match the price increase.


 It would have been interesting to see how the numbers compared a month ago, when both ETH and ZEC were a lot lower priced and fairly CLOSE on price (and both had a bit less network hashrate).


By the way, the figures i reported for AMD are quite conservative, and definitely include the slight impact of dual mining
So here i am going to add 50$ on top of each card:
1) ASUS Dual GeForce GTX 1070 OC, DUAL-GTX1070-O8G
This card costs 406 EUR in Europe, this is the lowest price possible here for this card
The hash rates ranges from 420 to 480, so I picked up somewhere in the middle 450
Power draw ranges from 120 to 140, so I left it at 120 K\W
The results are 2.62$ net profit per day
If we divide 2.62$ by 456 EUR we get  0.0057$ return on each invested EUR

Now lets compare this with AMD RX 580 card:
1) AMD Sapphire RX 580 Nitro Video Card + 8GB
This card costs only 291 EUR here in Europe
The hash rate can get easily stable at 29 MH/s mining ETH
It can also dual mine DCR at 900 MH\s without impacting the hashrate of ETH
This will draw below 130 W, but to be on the safe side I use 130 W
The result is 2.48$ a day (net)
2.48$ divided by 341 EUR initial cost of GPU, will leave us with 0.0073 $ return on each invested EUR
0.0073 - 0.0057 = 0.0016
0.0016 divided by 0.0057 is 21.5% higher return from AMD compared to Nvidia

by the way, if we switch to 13 GPU Mobos we can dramatically reduce the common fixed costs, but as you can see over 20% is still to the side of AMD, which is not little at all
I have been doing such comparisons for the last two months, and i NEVER managed to find an Nvidia card outperforming AMD card, specially if we focus only on the 8GB and above, because anything bellow this could easily become useless within a year, specially the 4GB versions (depending on the currency you mine of course)

Once again, this makes me REALLY very puzzled why would anyone invest on Nvidia cards from PURE financial perspective? I see people building an entire farm of up to 100 1080 TI GPUs, and i wonder if they invested the same amount of money on AMD 580 would they have made more money? All #s indicate that they should make much more on the 580s. So why would someone invest over 100K$ for less ROI?

This makes me feel that i am missing something here
what is it?


Your over complicating it and counting peanuts.  I have no problems ROI my nvidia rigs at 6 months max in real life practice, Pick the coins you like and mine them with whatever hardware does the best at it. simple as that
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November 30, 2017, 12:32:46 AM
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Yes. not any problems. I have a similar system working well.
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November 30, 2017, 12:22:16 PM
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One factor to keep in mind - ETH mining GOES AWAY sometime, when ETH moves to POS - and the last I remember seeing about it is that the "first move" in that direction is due very soon - though that "first move" was supposed to only be 1% into POS the rest still POW, and likely a few months at least before a bigger move towards POS happens.

 I'm also NOT buying "29 Mhash/sec" as a CONSERVATIVE ETH hashrate figure out of any RX 470/489/570/580 card that is dual mining, most of the figures I've seen reported were "27-29 SINGLE MINING" at best and 26-27 when dual-mining on that series of card - but that WOULD still leave AMD ahead at this point in the comparison.


 The main reason I moved to building NVidia rigs around the start of this year was to "dual fold" CureCoin and FoldingCoin - and for a lot of the last 8 months that combo was returning 50-100% better returns than ZEC - but the ability to SOAK more hashrate was so low I avoided talking about it at all.
 It was NICE seeing $8-$10 a DAY out of a single 1080, and some days hitting $15 on a 1080 ti for a brief while at the peak profitability about 4 months back - but then several other folks decided to jump in BIG time and profitability started dropping.
 At one point my "fairly small" farm was producing about 3% of the entire CureCoin team production - by the time I gave up I was stuggling to stay at 1% with TWICE AS MANY CARDS (and more high-end cards as a percentage).

 As of right now, my most recent calculation shows that "dual folding" is little if any more profitable than ZEC, at least in part due to abuse of a big commercial "render farm" one of the primary CureCoins developers has been using to deliberately depress earnings (and who has ticked me off with his MISUSE of his developer position to the point I refuse to have anything to do with Curecoin at all).


 I'm a bit shocked you didn't bring up Vega - though availability of Vega cards is almost NONE the past week (other than the crazy-high priced FE) and the cards that HAVE been available have been high priced enough that the 2000ish XMR hashrate they can achieve doesn't end up giving that high a value on return/investment right now (it WAS very quite high when you could get the Vega 56 for under $500).


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December 02, 2017, 06:34:17 AM
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Hey guys, sorry if this has already been mentioned somewhere but how do you get more than 8 NVIDIA GPUs to work on Windows 10 ? I've been trying to build a configuration with 12 GTX 1060s using this mobo.

It works perfectly fine with 8 but doesn't get past the ASUS logo which is after the POST - it's not frozen, the loading animation keeps going but nothing happens. Then when I enter repair into safe mode I can see all 9 cards successfully in the device manager but then same thing happens after I restart in normal mode.

Again, this has probably been answered somewhere but I couldn't find after an hour search so I'd really appreciate the help.
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December 02, 2017, 07:25:44 AM
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Anyone using this with simplemining?  Everytime it reboots it hangs :/

yes, me too.. you should turn it off first to make it work again..
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December 02, 2017, 02:40:58 PM
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How are you getting 21 cards to work on a motherboard that has 19 PCIE slots?  Using some kind of spliter?  If so, what kind?

How long does it take the system to boot? 

Would any you that have gotten 19 or even the elusive 21 cards to work post the products you use in order to get it to work?

I'd love to build a 19 GPU monster, but have been having trouble with trying to get more than 4 GPUs to work on the biostar 12 GPU motherboard.

Thanks.



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December 02, 2017, 06:34:51 PM
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Hey guys, sorry if this has already been mentioned somewhere but how do you get more than 8 NVIDIA GPUs to work on Windows 10 ? I've been trying to build a configuration with 12 GTX 1060s using this mobo.

It works perfectly fine with 8 but doesn't get past the ASUS logo which is after the POST - it's not frozen, the loading animation keeps going but nothing happens. Then when I enter repair into safe mode I can see all 9 cards successfully in the device manager but then same thing happens after I restart in normal mode.

Again, this has probably been answered somewhere but I couldn't find after an hour search so I'd really appreciate the help.

My friend tell me to update win 10 to fall creator edition.. And b250 can support to 13 gpu.. I will try it too, but the gpu and Mobo still on the way Smiley
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December 02, 2017, 09:03:28 PM
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How are you getting 21 cards to work on a motherboard that has 19 PCIE slots?  Using some kind of spliter?  If so, what kind?

How long does it take the system to boot? 

Would any you that have gotten 19 or even the elusive 21 cards to work post the products you use in order to get it to work?

I'd love to build a 19 GPU monster, but have been having trouble with trying to get more than 4 GPUs to work on the biostar 12 GPU motherboard.

Thanks.



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Gotta play with AsusTweakII now.

 I think they mentioned using M.2 to PCI-E adapter(s).

 And IMO 19+ cards is for bragging rights only - that's one HUGE loss of income if the machine goes down.


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December 02, 2017, 09:59:21 PM
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got the same mb
did you read page 1-9 of the USER GUIDE?
there are limits to what you can use and where

i got 8 VEGA 64's running very stable at 43.7MH/s each, mining ETH (i can get some at 45.5 but to much strain), when i add a 9th VEGA, 2 of the GPU's almost half in speed
i think its a PCIe buss issue

ASUS has promised a VGA driver update by the 4th quarter 2017 which is now, so i am patiently waiting and checking for it daily

my bro is running 9 VEGA 64's on the Asrock H110 BTC Pro with no probs (apart from the PCIe ports being stupidly joined together needing shielding between the riser jacks)

nice rig mate, but i swear by the VEGA's even come with a little sneaky bios switch Wink

Driver update should be first released here:
https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/B250-MINING-EXPERT/HelpDesk_Download/

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December 03, 2017, 01:11:28 PM
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Don't insist on running Windows - LINUX supports a lot more cards without having to jump through hoops, and is more stable too.


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December 10, 2017, 02:41:07 AM
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Does anyone have 19 cards working on anything other than claymore or equihash? I'd love to get neoscrypt or some other algos working, but literally nothing out there supports this number of cards except claymore and ewbf.

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I will pay $100 or whatever you want if someone can get me running on NeoScrypt

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December 21, 2017, 08:32:44 PM
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my bro is running 9 VEGA 64's on the Asrock H110 BTC Pro with no probs (apart from the PCIe ports being stupidly joined together needing shielding between the riser jacks)
Did he do anything special to get that to work? Mine simply will not POST with beyond 7 Vegas plugged in.

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December 30, 2017, 08:54:35 AM
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Don't insist on running Windows - LINUX supports a lot more cards without having to jump through hoops, and is more stable too.



Awesome miner doesn't work with Linux and not all miners are available for Linux either. I am looking at trying to upgrade a 8 GPU rig to 11 GPUs and eventually 13, but I am getting stuck on how I will be able to overclock on windows using more than 8 GPUS. I want to keep using Awesome miner too. Ideas?
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Look up nvOC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_mv1pd3BIA

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Does anyone think it would be possible to modify the bios on nvidia cards somehow to flash with a mining card bios so you could get around the 13 card limit?

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