How about we start banning scammers?

[Podgor]

Hello,

I've been dealing on bitcointalk for almost a year, spent hundreds of hours here and did deals for tens of thousands USD worth of amazon balance.

I see the same things over and over - new users don't check trust scan (even if it's clearly red lol), belive in fake vouches, don't use escrow or even know what that is.

Scammers are creating multiple threads, multi accounts for fake vouches (look at this guy) or self moderating them. Hundereds or thousands of dollars are getting stolen every day from good people who just want to earn some money and do a honest business.


I think it's all about lack of internet awarness, people are vulnerable for attacks and deceptions with thieves getting more and more creative.
It's not new users fault really, they are unexperienced and expect forums to be the safe place. Getting scammed multiple times when you want to do honest business and make it grow does not really get you go back to this place for more deals.
The marketplace has over 6 million posts, really worth it to make it safer.


It's pretty hard to change human behaviour and spread the awarness with so many new users. Sticking posts like this to every sub in marketplace could help a bit, although people are too often lazy or unaware what they have in front of their eyes.

Why won't we take care of scammers for good instead? Or at least the most notorious ones? Clearing the marketplace and banning all the scammers would make it much safer for the new users.

I suggest mods getting to work and users helping them - I noticed many good people fight for the truth to protect naive members. Definietly hiring more moderators to help or giving trusted users some new permissions, at least to lock scammers PM system untill forum staff take care of him for good.


I hope you think the same, it's finally time to do some clean up. It's been the problem for too long, good people can't lose money every day because we lack action to protect them and make them want to stay for more growth.

//thanks for moving this to the right sub

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[LuanX3]

Hello,

I've been dealing on bitcointalk for almost a year, spent hundreds of hours here and did deals for tens of thousands USD worth of amazon balance.

I see the same things over and over - new users don't check trust scan (even if it's clearly red lol), belive in fake vouches, don't use escrow or even know what that is.

Scammers are creating multiple threads, multi accounts for fake vouches (look at this guy) or self moderating them. Hundereds or thousands of dollars are getting stolen every day from good people who just want to earn some money and do a honest business.


I think it's all about lack of internet awarness, people are vulnerable for attacks and deceptions with thieves getting more and more creative.
It's not new users fault really, they are unexperienced and expect forums to be the safe place. Getting scammed multiple times when you want to do honest business and make it grow does not really get you go back to this place for more deals.
The marketplace has over 6 million posts, really worth it to make it safer.


It's pretty hard to change human behaviour and spread the awarness with so many new users.

Why won't we take care of scammers for good instead? Or at least the most notorious ones? Clearing the marketplace and banning all the scammers would make it much safer for the new users.

I suggest mods getting to work and users helping them - I noticed many good people fight for the truth to protect naive members. Definietly hiring more moderators to help or giving trusted users some new permissions, at least to lock scammers PM system untill forum staff take care of him for good.


I hope you think the same, it's finally time to do some clean up. It's been the problem for too long, good people can't lose money every day because we lack action to protect them and make them want to stay for more growth.

I think the solution is not to really ban scammers, but more of create an educational tour of the forum. By that I mean is to mandatory require all newly registered users to take a course to familiarize themselves with the features and some tips on not getting scammed here on the forum.

Banning scammers is useless, they can just create new accounts and the results will just be the same.

[ultrloa]

Hello,

I've been dealing on bitcointalk for almost a year, spent hundreds of hours here and did deals for tens of thousands USD worth of amazon balance.

I see the same things over and over - new users don't check trust scan (even if it's clearly red lol), belive in fake vouches, don't use escrow or even know what that is.

Scammers are creating multiple threads, multi accounts for fake vouches (look at this guy) or self moderating them. Hundereds or thousands of dollars are getting stolen every day from good people who just want to earn some money and do a honest business.


I think it's all about lack of internet awarness, people are vulnerable for attacks and deceptions with thieves getting more and more creative.
It's not new users fault really, they are unexperienced and expect forums to be the safe place. Getting scammed multiple times when you want to do honest business and make it grow does not really get you go back to this place for more deals.
The marketplace has over 6 million posts, really worth it to make it safer.


It's pretty hard to change human behaviour and spread the awarness with so many new users.

Why won't we take care of scammers for good instead? Or at least the most notorious ones? Clearing the marketplace and banning all the scammers would make it much safer for the new users.

I suggest mods getting to work and users helping them - I noticed many good people fight for the truth to protect naive members. Definietly hiring more moderators to help or giving trusted users some new permissions, at least to lock scammers PM system untill forum staff take care of him for good.


I hope you think the same, it's finally time to do some clean up. It's been the problem for too long, good people can't lose money every day because we lack action to protect them and make them want to stay for more growth.

I think the solution is not to really ban scammers, but more of create an educational tour of the forum. By that I mean is to mandatory require all newly registered users to take a course to familiarize themselves with the features and some tips on not getting scammed here on the forum.

Banning scammers is useless, they can just create new accounts and the results will just be the same.

Yeah your right people need to became more educate on certain floss regarding unto this issue since it could help them out to sort on what is scam or not wheter it is on real time and in online industry, Banning those scammers cannot really help since mod cannot spot the actual scamming happening thats why we can see it happening and its not a rare case but in fact we can see it everyday.

So the best solution for this is to be more aware and not be appealed by those uncertain to good to be true promised of earnings.

[Podgor]

Banning scammers is useless, they can just create new accounts and the results will just be the same.

It's a matter od 10 sec to ban the scammer, much longer for him to do 100+ post making his account look more trusted.
Much longer for thieves to get ways around multi account seciurity and other new features we could possibly implement.

Banning those scammers cannot really help since mod cannot spot the actual scamming happening thats why we can see it happening and its not a rare case but in fact we can see it everyday.

So the best solution for this is to be more aware and not be appealed by those uncertain to good to be true promised of earnings.

Mods could ban people (at least from the marketplace) who have a trust scan full of negative comments and proofs inside.

Is it really so much work to give someone a ban? Or is it that we lack mods and other staff members?

[h0lybyte]

Recently i read a post that was created by the admin theymos mentioning change of terms and procedures to account holders.
According to theymos post, no one can hack your account anymore because if there is a change on email or password, the owner of account gets notified on his primary email and if this activity is suspecious, owner can lock his account anytime upto 15 days.
I think this procedure is good and account buyers are also not feeling safe with sellers.

[Podgor]

Recently i read a post that was created by the admin theymos mentioning change of terms and procedures to account holders.
According to theymos post, no one can hack your account anymore because if there is a change on email or password, the owner of account gets notified on his primary email and if this activity is suspecious, owner can lock his account anytime upto 15 days.
I think this procedure is good and account buyers are also not feeling safe with sellers.

That's awesome to hear, another simple feature that would help.
It will happen soon hopefully.

[illusioNiZt]

I agree with you many users fall prey to scams due to carelessness and lack of knowledge/experience using the forum, although what we can do is pretty limited since scammers don't really stick around long to one account and keep making new accounts the best solution would be to use escrow for any deal you do banning them all is not really possible since they use throw away accounts.

[Podgor]

I agree with you many users fall prey to scams due to carelessness and lack of knowledge/experience using the forum, although what we can do is pretty limited since scammers don't really stick around long to one account and keep making new accounts the best solution would be to use escrow for any deal you do banning them all is not really possible since they use throw away accounts.

I'm using marketplace every day for months.
There are people who have red scan, negative feedback, red "Warning: Trade with extreme caution!" for months and yet they are still members who get scammed for more. All because user has account for some time and multiple posts.
Red trust is usually invisible also when you go to the profile, visible only after you click "Untrusted feedback - Show ratings" so newbies don't even see it.

[ScaryMe]

How can we figure it out that this account is a scammers here, new account can easily be done at the same time, so even we caught on scammer here, it is easy for them to create new and make another transaction which people fall easily at many times, right?

[Podgor]

How can we figure it out that this account is a scammers here, new account can easily be done at the same time, so even we caught on scammer here, it is easy for them to create new and make another transaction which people fall easily at many times, right?

I noticed people tend to avoid dealing with users who are few days on the forums. Not all of them obviously but it's a good start.

What about making marketplace available after getting 100+ posts? That would waste scammers time at least.

[dillpicklechips]

In my own interpretation, the OP is trying to say that these users should be banned right away rather than just paint them red. You can hide your trust from displaying as we know and newbies who didn't nother looking about trust and we can't blame them since they are "newbie." By just painting them red, the thread would continue to live on and scam.

They might just create a new account but it doesn't change the fact that those accounts that are used to scam should not freely roam around and just let them be.

If the mods really are serious in facing this issue, they would delete those kind of threads especially autobuy(s). I see those threads that are up for days and I'm wondering why mods are not deleting it.

P.S. Marketplace is one of the most important thread that needs moderation.

[cipher-x_09]

Yeah why don't  we start a thread regarding how they move like by studying how they attack focus on their strengths first because you couldn't  find any weakness if you don't  know what their strengths are. So I guess educating is also is must in order to avoid and prevent them from coming in and to to find a way how to eliminate them once and for all.

[Podgor]

In my own interpretation, the OP is trying to say that these users should be banned right away rather than just paint them red. You can hide your trust from displaying as we know and newbies who didn't nother looking about trust and we can't blame them since they are "newbie." By just painting them red, the thread would continue to live on and scam.

They might just create a new account but it doesn't change the fact that those accounts that are used to scam should not freely roam around and just let them be.

If the mods really are serious in facing this issue, they would delete those kind of threads especially autobuy(s). I see those threads that are up for days and I'm wondering why mods are not deleting it.

P.S. Marketplace is one of the most important thread that needs moderation.

Great post, I'd ban their IP and do much more if it was possible, I bet all these multi accounts are usually made with one IP address.
Plus creating a new thread after getting some quality posts at least.

Yeah why don't  we start a thread regarding how they move like by studying how they attack focus on their strengths first because you couldn't  find any weakness if you don't  know what their strengths are. So I guess educating is also is must in order to avoid and prevent them from coming in and to to find a way how to eliminate them once and for all.

There are multiple threads on how to spot a scammer or smell something fishy with the deal.
Maybe stick them on the top of every marketplace section not just some? Make them bold, visible etc.

[dillpicklechips]

In my own interpretation, the OP is trying to say that these users should be banned right away rather than just paint them red. You can hide your trust from displaying as we know and newbies who didn't nother looking about trust and we can't blame them since they are "newbie." By just painting them red, the thread would continue to live on and scam.

They might just create a new account but it doesn't change the fact that those accounts that are used to scam should not freely roam around and just let them be.

If the mods really are serious in facing this issue, they would delete those kind of threads especially autobuy(s). I see those threads that are up for days and I'm wondering why mods are not deleting it.

P.S. Marketplace is one of the most important thread that needs moderation.

Great post...

Thanks. Just my observation and understanding.  

I'd ban their IP and do much more if it was possible, I bet all these multi accounts are usually made with one IP address.

And some would say that you can just change your IP which is nothing new. Quiet a typical demon's advocate's response.

Plus creating a new thread after getting some quality posts at least.

This would be a nice suggestion but I would modify it a little bit. It would be implemented only in marketplace, auctions and alike.

Yeah why don't  we start a thread regarding how they move like by studying how they attack focus on their strengths first because you couldn't  find any weakness if you don't  know what their strengths are. So I guess educating is also is must in order to avoid and prevent them from coming in and to to find a way how to eliminate them once and for all.

There are multiple threads on how to spot a scammer or smell something fishy with the deal.
Maybe stick them on the top of every marketplace section not just some? Make them bold, visible etc.

The things is, a lot of people are not paying attention to pinned posts or stickies. These posts aren't pinned for no reason, aren't these?

[SM23031997]

If you ask me about it I think it's natural process if they are not get scammed anywhere then they won't learn and keep trusting people blindly over the Internet and it is not good. they have to start using their own mind to think and detect scam and scammers even when they have neutral trust or even positive trust. People learn from the mistake but at least, why we let scammers earn free money. Community members are doing their best to tag member who is involved in fishy things and cause damage to users. People have to learn if they won't take feedbacks seriously, then they lose money.

Buying anything from auto-buy links is like lottery either you get something in it or not. It should be prohibited at least as it will help to decrease the number of scams. I don't know how many scams are going daily but if every one report it will be a huge number in the last.

People need to use their due diligence before buying anything as forum moderators can't verify everything that is sold and purchased here. Forum rules and regulations are clear about that. But nothing last forever in this world and I hope the policy get some improvisation in future.

People have to follow trust feedbacks otherwise it is not possible to save them from scams and stop scammers from getting free money.

Stopping scams completely is impossible as if we want to do that then we have to close this forum, It is the only possible way to stop scams. Forum scam gets more highlights as people can report them.

[terrenceschroeder]

Hello,

I've been dealing on bitcointalk for almost a year, spent hundreds of hours here and did deals for tens of thousands USD worth of amazon balance.

I see the same things over and over - new users don't check trust scan (even if it's clearly red lol), belive in fake vouches, don't use escrow or even know what that is.

Scammers are creating multiple threads, multi accounts for fake vouches (look at this guy) or self moderating them. Hundereds or thousands of dollars are getting stolen every day from good people who just want to earn some money and do a honest business.


I think it's all about lack of internet awarness, people are vulnerable for attacks and deceptions with thieves getting more and more creative.
It's not new users fault really, they are unexperienced and expect forums to be the safe place. Getting scammed multiple times when you want to do honest business and make it grow does not really get you go back to this place for more deals.
The marketplace has over 6 million posts, really worth it to make it safer.


It's pretty hard to change human behaviour and spread the awarness with so many new users. Sticking posts like this to every sub in marketplace could help a bit, although people are too often lazy or unaware what they have in front of their eyes.

Why won't we take care of scammers for good instead? Or at least the most notorious ones? Clearing the marketplace and banning all the scammers would make it much safer for the new users.

I suggest mods getting to work and users helping them - I noticed many good people fight for the truth to protect naive members. Definietly hiring more moderators to help or giving trusted users some new permissions, at least to lock scammers PM system untill forum staff take care of him for good.


I hope you think the same, it's finally time to do some clean up. It's been the problem for too long, good people can't lose money every day because we lack action to protect them and make them want to stay for more growth.

//thanks for moving this to the right sub

I think the best way to avoid scammers is look at their rank and their reputation . Maybe? Only trade with guy who has high reputation or high rank . And by the way there is escrow service which can help you guarantee that's no scammer could be allowed to scam you. I guess you didn't use escrow service at all ? Right ?

[cottagecoin]

That's a big issue!
I've already been their victim!
I complained once, but didn't receive my money back.
I think it's a good idea to create thread with listing the names of scammers.

[subSTRATA]

I think the solution is not to really ban scammers, but more of create an educational tour of the forum. By that I mean is to mandatory require all newly registered users to take a course to familiarize themselves with the features and some tips on not getting scammed here on the forum.

Banning scammers is useless, they can just create new accounts and the results will just be the same.

i doubt this would actually be implemented, but it's not a bad idea, especially since it would also serve as a deterrent to spammers creating new accounts considering the annoyance of the tutorial and the time that would be wasted. it could be an idea to consider in the new forum whenever the software actually gets finished, but as is, i dont see it being implemented on the forum running on smf.

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The things is, a lot of people are not paying attention to pinned posts or stickies. These posts aren't pinned for no reason, aren't these?

pretty sure very few newbies (actual newbies) actually read those. it's like the ToS on every new piece of software you'd install on your computer: no one reads them. but if they can't take the time to familiarize themselves with the forum before going out and trading with anonymous personas online, that's their loss and they probably wont make the same mistake again.

[Danos]

I'm pretty active on catching scammers and i believe moderators should do some actions against them.
We also need more moderators and better trust system.
Not sure is the admins still active around to check whats going on but the scam attempts around are insane.

[Vod]

I've been dealing on bitcointalk for almost a year, spent hundreds of hours here

7 days, 16 hours and 24 minutes

That's just 184 hours.