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June 15, 2013, 04:57:57 PM
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Well it seems to be gone: https://bitcoin.org.uk/forums/topic/244-confirmed-bitcointalk-hack-rumour-sirius-to-resign-mtgox-will-take-over-management-of-bitcointalk-forum/page__view__findpost__p__1420

Here's the other one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=107085.0

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June 15, 2013, 04:59:53 PM
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I'd like to see that too, as far as I know MtGox/Mark just hosted the forum for a while for free, until theymos found a more suitable place. If anyone were to be considered the owner, it would be sirius IMO, as he owns the domain. Only reason his account isn't an admin account is because he isn't very active on the forums anymore, and having unused accounts with admin privileges isn't good practice.

Maybe that's the case now. I remember reading this a looong time ago.

Edit: misinformation is the reason to release info ahead of time. This thread could have been avoided with an early release of info.

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June 15, 2013, 05:07:36 PM
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The forum is no longer associated with MtGox in any way.

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June 15, 2013, 05:08:25 PM
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The forum is no longer associated with MtGox in any way.

Who owns it?

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June 15, 2013, 05:30:36 PM
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I do. Here's the truth: The forum is in reality a giant prank instigated by me to make fun of Bitcoiners.

I'm sorry you had to learn it this way.  Sad
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June 15, 2013, 05:33:01 PM
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The forum is no longer associated with MtGox in any way.

Who owns it?

Sirius owns the domain, and theymos owns the server.

At least that's what I guess I understand here...

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June 15, 2013, 05:36:44 PM
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I do. Here's the truth: The forum is in reality a giant prank instigated by me to make fun of Bitcoiners.

I'm sorry you had to learn it this way.  Sad

Did you also make BFL?

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June 15, 2013, 06:27:13 PM
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Who owns it?

Depends on your definition of ownership. Different resources are controlled by different people. Private Internet Access has ultimate control of the server. Sirius owns the domain. A lot of the money is managed in accordance with the Treasury Agreements, which defines a somewhat more complex organizational structure, though these agreements don't rule the entire forum. I coordinate it all, but I have no ultimate, binding authority over anything except the bitcoins that I hold (and I'd like to reduce this). No one person can permanently shut down the forum.

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June 15, 2013, 06:28:54 PM
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Who owns it?

Depends on your definition of ownership. Different resources are controlled by different people. Private Internet Access has ultimate control of the server. Sirius owns the domain. A lot of the money is managed in accordance with the Treasury Agreements, which defines a somewhat more complex organizational structure, though these agreements don't rule the entire forum. I coordinate it all, but I have no ultimate, binding authority over anything. No one person can permanently shut down the forum.

No one said anything about shutting down, as you know that isn't the issue. The issue is operating under false pretenses. Saying it can't be shut down by one person simply means honest people will have a hard time calling out dishonesty when they see it.

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June 15, 2013, 06:37:31 PM
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You asked who owned the forum, and I gave you a detailed answer. Someone who can't shut down a site clearly doesn't own it, wouldn't you say? No one person can shut down the forum, so I like to say that no one owns the forum. Alternatively, you could maybe say that the forum is owned by a corporation-like entity with a very unusual structure.

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June 15, 2013, 06:48:04 PM
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Edit: misinformation is the reason to release info ahead of time. This thread could have been avoided with an early release of info.

Maybe. I suspect the result would be same either way, most of the complaints are related to forum policy in general ("you're being paid, why isn't x being done"). This thread has been mostly positive, relative to this forum anyway. I appreciate that most see the value, gives me the fuzzies inside  Wink.
 

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June 15, 2013, 06:50:31 PM
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gives me the fuzzies inside  Wink.
 

You should see a doctor about that, it may be diabetes.
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June 15, 2013, 06:50:54 PM
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gives me the fuzzies inside  Wink.
 

You should see a doctor about that, it may be diabetes.

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June 15, 2013, 06:52:14 PM
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Someone who can't shut down a site clearly doesn't own it, wouldn't you say?

So you're saying the US government owns this site? That's a pretty non-answer you've given.

Would it be fair to say that you own it, but there are others who have administrator privileges and certain steps have been taken to require other people who work for you to agree before a very select few actions can be taken, correct?

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June 15, 2013, 06:53:41 PM
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Someone who can't shut down a site clearly doesn't own it, wouldn't you say?

So you're saying the US government owns this site? That's a pretty non-answer you've given.

Would it be fair to say that you own it, but there are others who have administrator privileges and certain steps have been taken to require other people who work for you to agree before a very select few actions can be taken, correct?

actually i believe he's saying its none of your fucking business, in the most polite and respectful way as possible.

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June 15, 2013, 07:09:11 PM
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Edit: misinformation is the reason to release info ahead of time. This thread could have been avoided with an early release of info.

Maybe. I suspect the result would be same either way, most of the complaints are related to forum policy in general ("you're being paid, why isn't x being done"). This thread has been mostly positive, relative to this forum anyway. I appreciate that most see the value, gives me the fuzzies inside  Wink.
 

Forum policy will always be debated. That will never stop at any forum. The problem is that distributing funds collected from the ad revenue generated by a company with a reputation that is, at the very least, tarnished and then effectively hiding it's distribution to pay people we thought worked for free looks really bad. If mgmt wants to pay for work at the forum that's fine. Good for you, most of you deserve it for doing a crappy job. But don't let us all believe this place is for the people by the people instead of just another for profit org. I now have to believe that all the complaints I've read about BFL have fallen on deaf ears because the forum is in their pocket. It could have been handled so much better than it was.

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June 15, 2013, 07:22:47 PM
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Someone who can't shut down a site clearly doesn't own it, wouldn't you say?

So you're saying the US government owns this site? That's a pretty non-answer you've given.

Logic fail.

Would it be fair to say that you own it, but there are others who have administrator privileges and certain steps have been taken to require other people who work for you to agree before a very select few actions can be taken, correct?

No.

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June 15, 2013, 07:33:59 PM
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I dunno, not giving BFL a scammer tag is perfectly consistent with other decisions so I don't get the fuss, like Pirate, Mining United, and the various other long cons. Correlation =/= causation.

I'd be fine with stopping BFL from buying ads just to stop the complaints and any perceived bias, but I suspect we'd see just as many complaints from people who don't want to see any one person deciding what content they should or shouldn't see.

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June 15, 2013, 07:42:33 PM
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I dunno, not giving BFL a scammer tag is perfectly consistent with other decisions so I don't get the fuss, like Pirate, Mining United, and the various other long cons. Correlation =/= causation.

I'd be fine with stopping BFL from buying ads just to stop the complaints and any perceived bias, but I suspect we'd see just as many complaints from people who don't want to see any one person deciding what content they should or shouldn't see.

And here we have the quandary, I no longer know that I can trust what you're saying because it may be biased.

I never said to stop BFL or anyone from posting here, running their own threads or limiting their voice. That's the one thing I really do appreciate about this forum. Their voice will have to compete with all the voices against them. I only said stop paying yourselves with their money to eliminate suspicion.

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June 15, 2013, 07:43:53 PM
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Your shtick is getting old man. Like you wouldn't do the same?

No, I wouldn't do the same. I would ask for funds when I thought I needed them, use them for the intended purpose, and if that purpose were to fail, would return the funds as I always have. I understand you think I'm just barking because you don't know me or what I've accomplished in 2 years here in the community, but you're the newbie here, not me. There is no excuse for holding the funds for a year under the guise of a new forum software that has never even begun to be developed.
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