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June 14, 2013, 03:53:39 PM
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Hello everybody! We will be manufacturing Avalon clones. These are exact Avalon machines manufactured from ngzhang's manufacturing files. It looks that we will source the Avalon chips early to mid July and should be able to ship Avalon units 7 days after we have received the ASICs. We would like to make an auction for 40 to 120 Avalon machines (65Gigahashes each).
Update 15/06/2013: After this backlash we decided to mine ourselves. Happy mining everybody! Please bid: the amount of USD you want to pay for a 65Ghash Avalon delivered within 1 month (20-31 July 2013)
Update: Due to everybody's demand we've removed the bid limit of 99 Bitcoins. However we cannot sell under 7600USD.
Question: Who are you?
Answer: We are Black Arrow Shenzhen Information Technology, a software and hardware developing company from Shenzhen, China. For those who do not know us, we are manufacturing and have delivered several batches of Lancelot devices for Bitcoin community: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=187549.0.
Question: Is there any chance to loose my money and not get the Avalon machine?
Answer: No. Worst case scenario, you'll get your moeny back.
Questions: What if your supplier fails to give you the Avalon ASICs?
Answer: We will only spend your money if we get the chips in hand. If our supplier fails to deliver, we will return your money minus transfer fees.
Questions: What if I change my mind after you've purchased the Avalon ASICs?
Answer: We will try to sell your Avalon to other person. If we succeed, we'll return your money. If we fail, you'll have to accept your Avalon delivery as a refund will not be available.
Question: I have my own Avalon chips? Can you manufacture the Avalon for me?
Answer: Yes but we cannot give you an exact assembly price at the moment.
Question: Do you have fixed price Avalons?
Answer: We currently take pre-orders for delivery in September. The price is 7600 USD / 65Ghash Avalon. If we manage to gather orders for 40 Avalons, we'll place order for 10000 ASICs to Avalon. If we fail, we'll return your money. Once the order for ASICs is placed, you cannot cancel your order.
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derr777
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June 14, 2013, 04:06:20 PM |
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Not interested at that price; not really even close to a break-even situation. Diff will be 40MM at delivery, and thats if you actually hit your timeline. You need to consider margins far lower than the 100% your trying to get, especially on a preorder.
Anyway; good luck, others might be interested.
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af_newbie
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June 14, 2013, 04:07:18 PM |
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You realize that by September people will have other options.
Your BTC80 sounds like a good deal if you ship next week not in September.
You should produce them, then auction them; like ASICMiner did with their blades few months ago.
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psjw4450
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June 14, 2013, 04:08:08 PM |
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At 99 bitcoins these will never pay for themselves. Good luck also.
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Xialla
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June 14, 2013, 04:10:05 PM |
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blackarrow is great company with fast and smart support..otherwise, the price is insane and non-competitive with other asic manufacturers/market. why you want to buy chips for double price and not ordered batch just for you? I don't expect, that delivery of chips from your supplier will be much sooner then zefirs first batch..
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June 14, 2013, 04:13:30 PM |
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I'd rather spend the 99 coins "pre-ordering" 300GH/s from BFL, or 350+ GH/s from KNC. or who knows how much power from anyone of the other open source designs.
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blackarrow (OP)
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June 14, 2013, 04:15:18 PM |
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Not interested at that price;
I'm confused; Why do you post if you're not interested? |
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blackarrow (OP)
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June 14, 2013, 04:15:43 PM
Last edit: June 14, 2013, 05:03:55 PM by blackarrow |
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I'd rather spend the 99 coins "pre-ordering" 300GH/s from BFL, or 350+ GH/s from KNC. or who knows how much power from anyone of the other open source designs.
KNC is a scam and we all know it.Update: We are sorry for the above statement. We know nothing about KNC. |
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Teka
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June 14, 2013, 04:16:24 PM |
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Not interested at that price;
I'm confused; Why do you post if you're not interested? Probably to point out to you that the price is insane. |
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psjw4450
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June 14, 2013, 04:16:57 PM |
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I'd rather spend the 99 coins "pre-ordering" 300GH/s from BFL, or 350+ GH/s from KNC. or who knows how much power from anyone of the other open source designs.
KNC is a scam and we all know it. Very well could be, but that doesn't change that you are way overpriced. |
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blackarrow (OP)
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June 14, 2013, 04:17:02 PM |
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why you want to buy chips for double price and not ordered batch just for you? I don't expect, that delivery of chips from your supplier will be much sooner then zefirs first batch..
Do you know anyone with ASICs in hand willing to sell them? |
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June 14, 2013, 04:17:19 PM |
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I'd rather spend the 99 coins "pre-ordering" 300GH/s from BFL, or 350+ GH/s from KNC. or who knows how much power from anyone of the other open source designs.
KNC is a scam and we all know it. LOOOL? could you please somehow prove this shitty statement? |
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blackarrow (OP)
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June 14, 2013, 04:17:41 PM |
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Probably to point out to you that the price is insane.
Thank you very much for that. |
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blackarrow (OP)
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June 14, 2013, 04:19:05 PM |
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LOOOL? could you please somehow prove this shitty statement?
Because they haven't released a single product and they're making promises that they cannot keep. Anyway, let's keep this thread on topic, please. |
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June 14, 2013, 04:25:29 PM
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KNC is a scam because they will take the money and run off with it or they will use up all the invested funds and fail at producing an ASIC miner, or pull another BFL (semi scam)? Can you point to any red flags that led you to form that opinion of them? Honest question. Thanks I'd rather spend the 99 coins "pre-ordering" 300GH/s from BFL, or 350+ GH/s from KNC. or who knows how much power from anyone of the other open source designs.
KNC is a scam and we all know it. |
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Tehfiend
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June 14, 2013, 04:28:59 PM |
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LOOOL? could you please somehow prove this shitty statement?
Because they haven't released a single product and they're making promises that they cannot keep. Anyway, let's keep this thread on topic, please. Exactly how many products have you released? Will you be accepting PayPal which has buyer protection? KNC does. |
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miter_myles
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June 14, 2013, 04:36:52 PM |
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BTC - 1D7g5395bs7idApTx1KTXrfDW7JUgzx6Z5
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KS
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June 14, 2013, 04:38:14 PM |
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KNC is a scam because they will take the money and run off with it or they will they use up all the invested funds and fail at producing an ASIC miner, or pull another BFL (semi scam)? Can you point to any red flags that led you to form that opinion of them? Honest question. Thanks I'd rather spend the 99 coins "pre-ordering" 300GH/s from BFL, or 350+ GH/s from KNC. or who knows how much power from anyone of the other open source designs.
KNC is a scam and we all know it. You can try and read the WHOLE "Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com" thread. Start at the beginning. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.0 |
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dan99
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June 14, 2013, 04:38:31 PM |
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LOOOL? could you please somehow prove this shitty statement?
Because they haven't released a single product and they're making promises that they cannot keep. Anyway, let's keep this thread on topic, please. Exactly how many products have you released? Will you be accepting PayPal which has buyer protection? KNC does. Yes do you accept Paypal, and an open day for the members to visit you and ask a million questions? |
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KS
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June 14, 2013, 04:39:51 PM |
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LOOOL? could you please somehow prove this shitty statement?
Because they haven't released a single product and they're making promises that they cannot keep. Anyway, let's keep this thread on topic, please. Exactly how many products have you released? Will you be accepting PayPal which has buyer protection? KNC does. They've been making and selling FPGA's for a while (check the Lancelot threads). www.blackarrowsoftware.com |
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