As a consultant for the
Bitcoin Conference in Amsterdam, Netherlands this September 27-29, against my better judgement I figured it couldn't hurt to query BFL in regards to their 1000 bitcoins already pledged and earmarked for charities, non-profits, projects, etc. as penance for over-promising and under-delivering. My courteous request for information turned into an eye opening revolution about paranoia and ego.
Warning: Below are the raw, uncut messages between us. Those who get offended easily on the internet may want to avert their eyes. Also, all comments must remain on topic or they will be removed. No BFL fanboying and no BFL trashing either. This is sewious.I'm not sure if you're getting my messages and ignoring them, if you have me on ignore, or if you're just too busy to respond, but I wanted to try and get a hold of you one last time just the same.
There is a non-profit funded convention in Amsterdam, Netherlands this September 27-29 (
http://theconference.eu) and our funds come from attendees, booth sales, and donations to the conference. Since BFL has to spend 1000 BTC anyway for being late on delivery, would it be acceptable to help sponsor this non-profit endeavor as well?
Cheers,
Matthew
You badmouth BFL and me every chance you get and you want a handout? Yeah right, get real. What kind of drugs are you on? You should lay off them.
You're as bad as Charlie Hoskins whining for a handout for his bitcoin education project after claiming BFL is a scam.
You badmouth BFL and me every chance you get and you want a handout?
You're mistaken. I supported Sonny K despite the obvious issues and I am very upset with BFL's lack of shipment. I think it is safe to say at this point that BFL is a scam until they have shipped though and I think a scammer tag is warranted until then (times have changed, Pirate saw sure to that).
I also don't remember "bad mouthing" you, are you sure you're not confusing me with people who care more about the subject, like smoothie or one of the other alt-currency board regulars? I'm usually busy bothering Theymos for his lack of integrity.
To point, the conference I'm referring to is not *me*, so your feelings about me are irrelevant. The conference is run by Moe Levin with accounting being done by Rassah. I am simply lending a hand to them as you should too. As I understand it, the BFL charity fund of 1000 BTC is directed to endeavors that deserve or need them, I don't remember seeing "must be a fan of BFL and their business ethics" as a requirement for applying, nor was I aware that you were the only one deciding who could receive funds. Could you clarify this for me?
You're as bad as Charlie Hoskins whining for a handout for his bitcoin education project after claiming BFL is a scam.
Charlie Hoskins is delusional and here for self promotion. I'd just ignore him.
Matthew
The topic here is where that money comes from (scams, scammy companies buying advertisements using funds they defrauded from users, etc),
(No, I do not support BFL, I support honesty).
Mine is the sole opinion of Theymos, whose integrity can be called into question on multiple occasions I might add (he supports ponzis, refuses to give BFL a scammer tag, reverses "absolute" positions constantly, and continues to collect funds for the forum that have yet to be put to use in 12 months, despite the now probably millions of dollars collected).
I wonder if Theymos made the "Trust" segment in expectation of this and will just say "Okay, I finally agree that BFL are a bit shady but now we can just give their forum account negative feedback if you feel like it. Thanks for playing!"
refuses to give a scammer tag to BFL
but the real problem here is people like Inaba who spend their efforts arguing with BFL customers that they're doing a good job when any honest person could prove otherwise.
It may seem like there is some collective experience here for your business, but don't forget that this is the community that put millions of dollars into Bitcoinica, Pirateat40, BFL, etc etc etc.
And all we got was a nightmare.
This. This is looking more and more like a long con every single day. Reminds me of 419 scammers who after stealing money come back later to promise to pay it back but need a little more to send it to them. Milking every last dime.
That is correct. BFL could be considered a fraudulent business scheme (it would be harder to argue that once they actually ship, but since they haven't, they're defecto scammers).
I am disgusted by BFL for lying repeatedly about "2 weeks", for a year now.
I know why you did what you did, I know why I did what I did too. I know I'm not a scammer and I'm pretty sure you're not a scammer. This isn't about you or me, this is about what people classify as "scammers", what criteria Theymos uses to give the tag out (for god's sakes, BFL still doesn't have a tag!), etc.
I don't know what he's waiting on for BFL either.
Josh and BFL have already earned a scammer tag, Theymos is just apparently waiting for something. As someone who has received a hasty scammer tag from Theymos *twice* since joining these forums, it always has been quite insulting to watch the favoritism here. It's kind of what made me (a normally serious poster) into a troll in the first place-- I completely lost all respect for these forums on multiple occasions.
Who here regrets NOT..
dealing with abuse everytime they try to figure out what's happening with their order?
being lied to on a regular basis?
waiting 7+ months (and still waiting) for anything to actually be shipped?
watching their opportunity costs rise and their bitcoins quadruple in value while they sit on their hands?
Even if BFL delivered TODAY, on spec even, it has already become a horrible, horrible investment in comparison to Avalon.
Yeah... thanks for your support. There's no need for you to put yourself out any more and support us going forward, your efforts haven't gone unnoticed and you'll get exactly what your support is worth. Not a damned thing.
To point, you are associated with the conference, therefore consideration is off the table, just like anything Phinneus or Charlie is associated with. Your association with an organization has cost them thousands of dollars, I hope it's worth it.
You don't have to be a fan of BFL or the business ethics, you just have not be a hypocritical asshole.
Yeah... thanks for your support.
Nothing you've posted contradicts what I already said. I am absolutely for BFL getting a scammer tag *until* shipments are made. I am leaning towards Avalon receiving the same. There is no excuse for the lack of professionalism shown from BFL. Are you upset that I am not pleased with BFL? What does my opinion of BFL's business practices have to do with your opinion of me? Are you the owner of BFL?
Your association with an organization has cost them thousands of dollars, I hope it's worth it.
I don't think that's a genuine post in the slightest. I don't not buy a BFL rig because you're representing them, I don't buy because I doubt I'll ever receive one. I understand in the face of constant trolling you may think that my messages are insincere, but this is just me talking to you. The walls and excuses you're putting up are uncalled for.
I would like to ask that you give a response to my earlier inquiry that you seem to have missed.
As I understand it, the BFL charity fund of 1000 BTC is directed to endeavors that deserve or need them, I don't remember seeing "must be a fan of BFL and their business ethics" as a requirement for applying, nor was I aware that you were the only one deciding who could receive funds. Could you clarify this for me?
Are you the final judge of what charities or projects receive the funds?
Are charities, organizations, projects and any and all associated individuals who are against BFL's business practices to date, automatically disqualified from said project fund due to their association or opinions?
Thanks!
Matthew
Still waiting on a response, but it's starting to look like the fund is not a real fund, but just further investments and 'gifts' to fans of BFL. That doesn't seem to meet the sane requirements for a charity, and I think they should be called out on this. Since Theymos seems to be lacking in the integrity department by letting them continue to advertise here, not delivering a scammer tag, etc, I am beginning to think the only clear solution is to boycott the forums.
Looking forward to constructive, non-trolling comments.
(edit: I've deleted 2 anti-BFL troll comments so far and one BFL-fanboy comment. I would like to reiterate that the topic here is the fund, not the business or Inaba's personality).
