Speeding Tickets

[Foxpup]

which in the US is illegal. there needs to be an actual witness not technology to testify against you

you must face your acuser, see 'due process' or 'habeus corpus'

Wait, so you're saying if I put up cameras around my house to find out who's always smashing my windows when I'm away, and then I catch the guy on video, I don't have a case because there are no actual witnesses? I'm pretty sure that's not how it works. Wouldn't I be the witness, since they're my cameras? How is this any different?

[420]

which in the US is illegal. there needs to be an actual witness not technology to testify against you

you must face your acuser, see 'due process' or 'habeus corpus'

Wait, so you're saying if I put up cameras around my house to find out who's always smashing my windows when I'm away, and then I catch the guy on video, I don't have a case because there are no actual witnesses? I'm pretty sure that's not how it works. Wouldn't I be the witness, since they're my cameras? How is this any different?

maybe I mean it's the easy way to fight an infraction because someone has to come testify against you, and a camera is not likely to show up. whereas you're not imaging and recoding and trying to convict dozens of people for smashing your windows

[zedicus]

Wow, pulling over, where do you guys live? 70ies? Third world?

Here we have speed cameras, and you'll get a nice letter. 

The cameras kinda give a shit about passengers too.

Ok guys so since we have "Red light cameras" we need to stop at each "red light" and all the "stop signs" and dont drive on the other side of the road facing oncoming traffic.. and for the love of god stop doing donuts in the intersection!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgB4uwUXDYs



(at least they didnt do donuts)

 



 

[zedicus]

^^ Ironically the guy got hit in front of a bar and they were trying to find his killer from the cameras at the bar ... but i dont think they did!


Its really messed up!

[RoadToHell]

which in the US is illegal. there needs to be an actual witness not technology to testify against you

you must face your acuser, see 'due process' or 'habeus corpus'

Wait, so you're saying if I put up cameras around my house to find out who's always smashing my windows when I'm away, and then I catch the guy on video, I don't have a case because there are no actual witnesses? I'm pretty sure that's not how it works. Wouldn't I be the witness, since they're my cameras? How is this any different?

maybe I mean it's the easy way to fight an infraction because someone has to come testify against you, and a camera is not likely to show up. whereas you're not imaging and recoding and trying to convict dozens of people for smashing your windows

I think it's more the case that speeding tickets are given to drivers and not to cars.  As the owner of the car you can claim that you weren't driving the car at the time the photo was taken.  It used to be that way for red lights too.  I guess states that use the red light cameras changed their laws to accommodate the easy income.  I think that if you get a ran-the-red-light-photo ticket it does not impact your drivers license standing, whereas if you are pulled over multiple times for speeding you can lose your license.

[herzmeister]

you're visible in the car on the photo.

First they'll send you as the owner of the car a nice letter where you can admit you drove the car or not. You can specify that other person in that case.

You can try to go the route to refute, but eventually you'll have to appear at the police station or get a visit, and if there is enough similarity between you and the one on the photo, you're gonna have a hard time.

And even if you're successful, you'll be ordered to maintain a driver's log in the future.

[zedicus]

Clearly you guys dont shoot the red light cameras down the minute they go up!


Nonetheless, You can fight a red light ticket .. in fact, class action lawsuits all over claim the redlight cameras are rigged to change from yellow to red at an astrological pace versus their normal counterparts!

This i believe was found out by an engineer who got a ticket in the mail near a university he was attending and while having coffee at a local coffee shop he noticed the speed change from yellow to red and began timing all the cameras in a 5-10 block radius. Then he found out that the city (SF) had given a third party, "the makers of the red-light camera" a deal that they would get a huge percentage of the red-light camera runners they caught! Soon after .. class action lawsuits started cropping up.. A near by city Emeryville California was pressured by the public to take down the cameras after they were found to have generated millions of dollars of tickets a year with no improvement to accidents or public safety!


There was also a case which im not sure of the outcome but, a man got pulled over for a dui and was "forced" to take a breathalyzer test and it was determined that he was shit face drunk according to the machine!!

He later demanded to see the source code of the said device (firmware) and since it was proprietary the company refused !!  A big fiasco became of it and in the end they found some erorrs in the source code but the "courts" determined the device was reliable enough or something like that! If i remember correctly it was in MN!


Obviously there is nothing better than an expert witness ("cop testimony") but in cases where machines are liable for the determination of the said crime there are avenues to take that maybe in the favor of the defendant!


As an example! If you ever get a speeding ticket and you were determined by radar to have been speeding..  fight it!!!

when you get to court, if the officer shows up.. ask to see the certificate of the radar gun!! They have to be certified yearly and if the are not calibrated and tested then your case or ticket can be thrown out! 

 


 

[candoo]

Be happy that you dont live in Germany.  I get those tickets very often. You cant really see the speed check before!

[zedicus]

^^ hmm... looks like too much effort too take down! Lol



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szqwWbkHRy4&noredirect=1



Resume donuts!! 


I know how you guys roll!!! haha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73J-VS3e9-I

[Matthew N. Wright]

Back in California, I would spend weekends drifting in the mountains, flying to LA on the highway or seeing how fast we could get to Vegas and it all finally caught up with me with 2 out of the 3 allowed tickets. Both times were with passenger(s). I stopped driving for a while after that to avoid license suspension and ended up coming to Korea.

In the first 4 out of 9 years I've been here in Korea I've gotten possibly 50 speeding tickets (100% from speed cameras, and most were driving alone) and paid them all. Whenever a cop physically stopped me, it was a warning to not U-Turn or something to that nature.

As to why I don't get tickets anymore, the answer is my avatar.

Cause for discussion: Speeding is not dangerous. Airplanes do it all the time, with license. Wrecklessness and carelessness is dangerous. Why hasn't a country made a "speeding lane" or "speeding license" for better drivers yet? (Oh wait, they have, it's called a badge.)

[boewie]

Be happy that you dont live in Germany.  I get those tickets very often. You cant really see the speed check before!

Candoo, kenn ich! Die Dinger sind gemein

One of my friends once got a speedingticket; they sended him the photo, but (luckily) he has a twinbrother...So they both went to the police and told them they cant remember who has driven that time. Result: No ticket

Edit: True Story!

[malevolent]

Back in California, I would spend weekends drifting in the mountains, flying to LA on the highway or seeing how fast we could get to Vegas and it all finally caught up with me with 2 out of the 3 allowed tickets. Both times were with passenger(s). I stopped driving for a while after that to avoid license suspension and ended up coming to Korea.

You are only allowed 3 tickets? That sucks...

In Poland we have cameras like in Germany but fortunately not as many and the tickets are not as expensive.
And it won't be able to get a clear picture if someone drives >250 km/h  (but there aren't many roads where attaining such speed is possible).

[420]

Back in California, I would spend weekends drifting in the mountains, flying to LA on the highway or seeing how fast we could get to Vegas and it all finally caught up with me with 2 out of the 3 allowed tickets. Both times were with passenger(s). I stopped driving for a while after that to avoid license suspension and ended up coming to Korea.

In the first 4 out of 9 years I've been here in Korea I've gotten possibly 50 speeding tickets (100% from speed cameras, and most were driving alone) and paid them all. Whenever a cop physically stopped me, it was a warning to not U-Turn or something to that nature.

As to why I don't get tickets anymore, the answer is my avatar.

Cause for discussion: Speeding is not dangerous. Airplanes do it all the time, with license. Wrecklessness and carelessness is dangerous. Why hasn't a country made a "speeding lane" or "speeding license" for better drivers yet? (Oh wait, they have, it's called a badge.)

haha yeah apparently a badge is. because every time a cop catches up with you to pull you over, they just went FASTER than you did, and caused a change in speed that wouldn't have happened, plus nervousness, and stationary cars potentially by a high speed thoroughfare and then tell you the reason you get a ticket is because it is 'unsafe'

did you ever have an accident?

[Matthew N. Wright]

did you ever have an accident?

Most accidents were controlled situations where we pretty much figured we'd have an accident (trying ot do 360s on the highway and flipping a car upside down, etc), but once out drifting in the rain I did have an accident I didn't expect. It was kind of funny, the state trooper who first arrived asked me what I was doing on that dangerous cliff area at 2am in the rain and I said, "Well, me and my friends were driving out here at about 50mph and we lost traction in the rain and hit the rocks" and seeing me as the ignorant 18 year old I was with my whole life ahead of me, the trooper said, "so you were going 25mph and lost control, right?".

Good guy cop.

[Funky Al]

I've been pulled a few times in the uk, but only had a ticket when caught by a speed camera. I had passengers when pulled but not when caught by the camera (those intimidating swines!)

When driving from Yosemite to Vegas a few years back I was driving at around 120mph on an empty road when I saw the speck of a car in the distance behind me. Realising they were really gunning for it, I slowed down a bit and realised it was the police.

I wanted to make a break for the state line (I think I've seen that in films and I'm sure you're safe if you make it but my girlfriend talked me out of it.

After a stern talking to, they sent me on my way with a warning that if I was caught again if be in real trouble.

[Matthew N. Wright]

I wanted to make a break for the state line (I think I've seen that in films and I'm sure you're safe if you make it but my girlfriend talked me out of it.

Fun story, but in all seriousness, if you run from the cops and cross state lines, you're risking a federal warrant instead of a local ticket, as well as cooperating authorities on the other side continuing pursuit (also unlikely but possible). In Korea on a motorcycle, you don't even need to worry about that. Just go onto a highway, pull a U-turn, and that will be the shortest chase ever as they shake their fists at you.

[Funky Al]

I wanted to make a break for the state line (I think I've seen that in films and I'm sure you're safe if you make it but my girlfriend talked me out of it.

Fun story, but in all seriousness, if you run from the cops and cross state lines, you're risking a federal warrant instead of a local ticket, as well as cooperating authorities on the other side continuing pursuit (also unlikely but possible). In Korea on a motorcycle, you don't even need to worry about that. Just go onto a highway, pull a U-turn, and that will be the shortest chase ever.

I'd have never actually done it, but it would have made a fun story into an amazing one.

Edit: if I escaped of course.

[rumbitla]

Be happy that you dont live in Germany.  I get those tickets very often. You cant really see the speed check before!

Hast du kein Handy mit Blitzer.de App?
Don't you have a cell phone and the Blitzer.de App?  It is excellent and warns of all mobile and fixed speed checks. I wish we had something this good in Switzerland.

http://www.blitzer.de/

[Matthew N. Wright]

Be happy that you dont live in Germany.  I get those tickets very often. You cant really see the speed check before!

Hast du kein Handy mit Blitzer.de App?
Don't you have a cell phone and the Blitzer.de App?  It is excellent and warns of all mobile and fixed speed checks.

Same in Korea. Every GPS has it built in, it's kind of silly. Why even bother with the speed checks at all if everybody knows where they are? You just drive crazy, slow down for 500 meters, continue to drive crazy again.

[rumbitla]

In Poland we have cameras like in Germany but fortunately not as many and the tickets are not as expensive.

Germany is actually rather cheap.

Germany: 30km/h too fast: 80€
Here in Switzerland, 30km/h too fast: 800sfr = 650€