xboxgames SCAMMED ME FOR 5BTC!

[ostr1234]

xboxgames user scammed me for 5btc.   I send him the code for moneypack worth 490$ for 5 btc almost 2 days ago. Still didn't receive anything!  Beware to do business with that guy.

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[WuLabsWuTecH]

while he's not a polite guy, he does seem to be establishing a name for himself around here and honest albeit short tempered.

Do you have any proof of this?

[xetsr]

while he's not a polite guy, he does seem to be establishing a name for himself around here and honest albeit short tempered.

Do you have any proof of this?

Looks like xboxgames might have got me too for a $300 moneypak. Then you have https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=236891.0 and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=126750

I'll keep everyone updated on if I get the coins or not.

[WuLabsWuTecH]

This is starting to look not good, but we still have no proof.  Do you guys have screen shots of PMs or anything that shows the deals being made?  Also, the transaction ids so we can look it up in the blockchain would also be helpful to determine if a scam happened.

[xetsr]

This is starting to look not good, but we still have no proof.  Do you guys have screen shots of PMs or anything that shows the deals being made?  Also, the transaction ids so we can look it up in the blockchain would also be helpful to determine if a scam happened.

I'll post screenshots tomorrow. It hasn't even been a full 24 hours. He kept saying he would send it in a couple of minutes but it's been over 10 hours and I haven't received them. He then posted https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=229354.msg2505322#msg2505322 - That was a couple of hours again and nothing. I was hoping he was just busy but then ostr1234 posted about waiting 2 days... kind of sucks it wasn't posted sooner.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

Post screenshots now.

[Atruk]

Also click the report to admin link in the PMs where you were getting scammed.

[Bogdan]

$800 right there. He might be the sort of person to go on a scamming spree and grab as much as he can before he is stopped, and it looks like he might make it to a grand...

[escrow.ms]

Why don't you guys use escrow.??
Try to report moneypak as stolen, but i guess it will be too late.

[xetsr]

Why don't you guys use escrow.??
Try to report moneypak as stolen, but i guess it will be too late.

I'll admit it was stupid not using escrow. I was in a rush today and needed coins fast and he was the only one with them at the time that was taking moneypaks.

Lesson learned. Took a chance and it didn't work out. Won't happen again.

Anyway, I have to finish up some work and then I can post screenshots of the PMs.

[Atruk]

Why don't you guys use escrow.??
Try to report moneypak as stolen, but i guess it will be too late.

I'll admit it was stupid not using escrow. I was in a rush today and needed coins fast and he was the only one with them at the time that was taking moneypaks.

Lesson learned. Took a chance and it didn't work out. Won't happen again.

Anyway, I have to finish up some work and then I can post screenshots of the PMs.

There some ways to make sure the person sending fiat isn't getting screwed when coins are sent first without escrow. See this thread for an example. Escrow adds another person to trust so you need someone like John K who has more to lose than either participant.

Just don't do deals negotiated over PM. Negotiate in Public and make a paper trail.

Verifying the fiat is a much harder problem though.

[Bogdan]

Why don't you guys use escrow.??
Try to report moneypak as stolen, but i guess it will be too late.

I'll admit it was stupid not using escrow. I was in a rush today and needed coins fast and he was the only one with them at the time that was taking moneypaks.

Lesson learned. Took a chance and it didn't work out. Won't happen again.

Anyway, I have to finish up some work and then I can post screenshots of the PMs.

There some ways to make sure the person sending fiat isn't getting screwed when coins are sent first without escrow. See this thread for an example. Escrow adds another person to trust so you need someone like John K who has more to lose than either participant.

Just don't do deals negotiated over PM. Negotiate in Public and make a paper trail.

Verifying the fiat is a much harder problem though.

Exactly, so as well as using John K as escrow make sure the person you're dealing with is very trusted too.

[Welsh]

Post the screenshots now, otherwise we aren't going to take you seriously. If this is the case, I feel sorry for the people who 'invested' in his gambling thread.

[Bogdan]

Post the screenshots now, otherwise we aren't going to take you seriously. If this is the case, I feel sorry for the people who 'invested' in his gambling thread.

Yeah if true he has scammed a large amount of money and hopefully will be stopped.

[Welsh]

Post the screenshots now, otherwise we aren't going to take you seriously. If this is the case, I feel sorry for the people who 'invested' in his gambling thread.

Yeah if true he has scammed a large amount of money and hopefully will be stopped.

People have been notified on the gambling section.

[ostr1234]

I don't have the conversation with him as i deleted the messages. is there any way to recover deleted messages??  the scrolling down was pissing me off so i deleted them. I Pmed him my money pack worth 490$ and supposed to receive 5btc, but i didn't receive anything.  I may to try to report my mp stolen. maybe somehow i ll get my money back but i think i got ripped off.....

[ostr1234]

Here are the screenshoots of the messages he was sending me. A lot of excuses and dragging. As I said before I deleted most of them so thats not all. It is just part of the conversation, but you guys can tell your self by reading that the transaction took place.

[solidshotnosh]

Here are the screenshoots of the messages he was sending me. A lot of excuses and dragging. As I said before I deleted most of them so thats not all. It is just part of the conversation, but you guys can tell your self by reading that the transaction took place.

Why would you trade with him when it says WARNING TRADE WITH CAUTION

[Burdy]

He didn't have the warning during the trade obviously.

Please report the stolen MP to your police and call Visa and report a claim.

[RavinTavin]

I had 5btc with him for bet management. Still fingers crossed

[sayulita]

Thank God the deal I had with him a couple days ago fell through. I had a bad feeling about him. So sorry for people's losses.

[xetsr]

Private messages:







Never got the coins.

He most likely has a few more accounts here. I'm not going to accuse anyone and could be wrong but someone might want to check out a few users that were posting in his thread 

[WuLabsWuTecH]

He is infact still active on the forums.  Has anyone sent him a PM about this thread so he knows to look for it and has a chance to respond?

[icey]

He has been online and offline all day. Obviously reading these threads but yet to post publicly from what I can see

[WuLabsWuTecH]

He has been online and offline all day. Obviously reading these threads but yet to post publicly from what I can see

Yeah, but he might not know this is here.  Has anyone PM'ed him yet?  And yeah, he doesn't seem to have made any posts anywhere lately.

[RavinTavin]

Yes I have heard from him. Life problems apparently, he was super nice about it and said not to worry

[thisisgil]

Yes I have heard from him. Life problems apparently, he was super nice about it and said not to worry

Which is exactly why I suggested everyone should wait 48 hours to cool off and see what happens.

Ultimately, if he's going through something pretty major, logging onto here and seeing a shitstorm of abuse could be enough to push someone over the edge.

Give him the benefit of the doubt until you have irrefutable proof to suggest otherwise. If the dude is going through a heap of bad stuff, he's not exactly going to be thinking straight, and coming on to a forum to make good with a bunch of people over some space dollars is not going to be high on his list of priorities.

[saveawedge]

Maybe he got caught sending feces/worms to people   
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=231550.0

[xetsr]

Yes I have heard from him. Life problems apparently, he was super nice about it and said not to worry

Which is exactly why I suggested everyone should wait 48 hours to cool off and see what happens.

Ultimately, if he's going through something pretty major, logging onto here and seeing a shitstorm of abuse could be enough to push someone over the edge.

Give him the benefit of the doubt until you have irrefutable proof to suggest otherwise. If the dude is going through a heap of bad stuff, he's not exactly going to be thinking straight, and coming on to a forum to make good with a bunch of people over some space dollars is not going to be high on his list of priorities.

How long has ostr1234 been waiting? So what you are saying is nobody should have said anything and let him do business as usually? Come on.

Maybe you missed something? If he was having problems, why was he accepting bitcoins and moneypaks?

Anyway. Since you guys are putting a lot of trust in xboxgames, I'll make you a nice deal. I gave him a $300 moneypak and should have received a little under 3 BTC. If anyone is willing to send me 2 BTC then I will tell xboxgames to send the coins owed to me to you. Most of you gamble right? 

[thisisgil]

How long has ostr1234 been waiting? So what you are saying is nobody should have said anything and let him do business as usually? Come on.

Maybe you missed something? If he was having problems, why was he accepting bitcoins and moneypaks?

Anyway. Since you guys are putting a lot of trust in xboxgames, I'll make you a nice deal. I gave him a $300 moneypak and should have received a little under 3 BTC. If anyone is willing to send me 2 BTC then I will tell xboxgames to send the coins owed to me to you. Most of you gamble right?  

A longer than expected wait is not absolute proof of xboxgames being complicit in any scam. For all we know, he could have had issues for a few days now that have recently spiralled out of control. He could have even been on here trying to escape other things and attempting to cling onto some semblance of normality whilst things got progressively worse for him irl.

Nobody really knows bar xboxgames and the truth will out eventually one way or another. Until then why not try and refrain from the hostility? I know you're probably embarrassed about your bizarre decision to send a moneypak to a complete stranger, but please try and show a little compassion - he's a fellow human being for fucks' sake.

[Moebius327]

First time I see so many excuses made by one person.

[xetsr]

A longer than expected wait is not absolute proof of xboxgames being complicit in any scam. For all we know, he could have had issues for a few days now that have recently spiralled out of control. He could have even been on here trying to escape other things and attempting to cling onto some semblance of normality whilst things got progressively worse for him irl.

Nobody really knows bar xboxgames and the truth will out eventually one way or another. Until then why not try and refrain from the hostility? I know you're probably embarrassed about your bizarre decision to send a moneypak to a complete stranger, but please try and show a little compassion - he's a fellow human being for fucks' sake.

So what, I shouldn't have said anything and let other people possibly get scammed though. Now users know to be careful doing transactions with him.

I'm not embrassed. It was stupid yeah, but I'm not embrassed at all. If I was then why would I be posting about this? What's the deal with you and xboxgames anyway?

Also, post count means NOTHING unless you have solid transactions with other reputable members on this forum. I'm just waiting for someone to bring that up. I'm on this forum to buy BTC and services.

[WuLabsWuTecH]

A lot of people here jump to conclusions very quickly.

I'm not defending him--look at some of our banter on other threads and you'll know that he and I hardly ever have the same opinion on stuff and it is less-than-friendly banter at times.  But just because something took a bit longer than it should doesn't mean it's a scam.

Should you post it here?  Absolutely.  But like I said, someone needs to PM him to let him know this thread exists.  IF he's going through some rough time IRL, then he might not have time to see all of this.

xetsr--I would take you up on that if I had 2 btc available right now.  Like I said, I don't get along with xbox that well, but I also don't see him as a scammer based on my observations.  Then again, it could be a long con where he builds trust for a few months before cashing out.

[thisisgil]

I'm not embrassed. It was stupid yeah, but I'm not embrassed at all. If I was then why would I be posting about this? What's the deal with you and xboxgames anyway?

I have no clue. You seem to have insight into everyone and everything's true motives at the moment, so why don't you humour me and let me know?

All I'm suggesting is that we give someone enough breathing space to get their shit together and adequately represent themselves when they feel ready. They sure as hell won't do that if they feel that they have to wade through a wall of hostility and personal attacks the moment they jump back on.

Is xboxgames a scammer? Yes? No? Maybe? I have no idea. But what I do know is that offering someone the benefit of the doubt is entirely my call, and I'd rather have a bad decision on my conscience than a decision that lead me to falsely accuse someone at a low point in their life.

There's nothing at all to gain by rushing into a witchunt. If it is indeed your worst case scenario and you have been scammed, then you'll still be scammed in 48 hours time. Consider that

[shkiser]

very sad to hear of so many ppl getting ripped off. It seems the common thing for someone to become trusted by doing good trades, and than go on a spree scamming for as much as they can before the news spreads. if your looking to buy bitcoin for mp hit me up. I am an honest trader, and always selling and buying bitcoin

[xetsr]

There's nothing at all to gain by rushing into a witchunt. If it is indeed your worst case scenario and you have been scammed, then you'll still be scammed in 48 hours time. Consider that

Nothing at all to gain? I'm trying to prevent others from sending him $ or BTC and possibly getting scammed. End of story. I'm sure you can understand that?

For me, it was only a $300 Moneypak. Not that big of a deal. Might be to someone else though! Why give him 48 hours to potentially screw other people out of money and BTC? Answer me that

Anyways, I'm done here. I made my point and like I said posts will be removed and I will apologize if what he is saying turns out to be true and I receive my BTC.

[Professor James Moriarty]

Email: btctalkspreadsheets@gmail.com
IP: 70.39.176.4 - Midland, Michigan

 This is his information

 Password   hamm2323

 This is his password for someplace.

http://klout.com/Hamm2323

 This is his klout and

https://twitter.com/Hamm2323

 This is his twitter.


 Do whatever you can and get our money back. I trust there are couple of good hackers or someone here that can torture him on interwebs and maybe get our money back by web-torture

[icey]

Confirmed scam yet? Been days since I've seen anyone get contact from him

[Tomatocage]

Email: btctalkspreadsheets@gmail.com
IP: 70.39.176.4 - Midland, Michigan

 This is his information

 Password   hamm2323

 This is his password for someplace.

http://klout.com/Hamm2323

 This is his klout and

https://twitter.com/Hamm2323

 This is his twitter.


 Do whatever you can and get our money back. I trust there are couple of good hackers or someone here that can torture him on interwebs and maybe get our money back by web-torture

Interesting. How'd you come about this info?

[Professor James Moriarty]

 It is not important how I find that , its important how can we use it to bring our money back.

[xetsr]

 It is not important how I find that , its important how can we use it to bring our money back.

Not much you can do. All we have is a IP address, email and the password he used to sign up at another site.

https://twitter.com/Hamm2323 is probably not him. Or maybe somebody would be that stupid to use their twitter name as their password.

Anyway, the money and BTC are gone. Someone should bring this to a mods attention and get a scammer label though because he continues to login - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=126750. Might be private messaging others and nobody has just came forward yet.

I think enough time was given. It's been a couple of days now and he hasn't responded to the thread or posted elsewhere after posting just about every day since he joined.

So where are the people now that were basically defending him? 

[WuLabsWuTecH]

 It is not important how I find that , its important how can we use it to bring our money back.

Not much you can do. All we have is a IP address, email and the password he used to sign up at another site.

https://twitter.com/Hamm2323 is probably not him. Or maybe somebody would be that stupid to use their twitter name as their password.

Anyway, the money and BTC are gone. Someone should bring this to a mods attention and get a scammer label though because he continues to login - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=126750. Might be private messaging others and nobody has just came forward yet.

I think enough time was given. It's been a couple of days now and he hasn't responded to the thread or posted elsewhere after posting just about every day since he joined.

So where are the people now that were basically defending him? 

Well I wasn't defending him, but I did say give him the benefit of the doubt.  And I'm right here!

I still don't know if anyone has PM'ed him to look at this thread or not.  But as I said before, the more time goes on, the less and less good this is looking for him...

[RavinTavin]

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Give me a few days to sort out some major life events, and ill make sure all are compensated as promised.
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I can assure you, not taking none from anyone, including the pretty lady.  I am aware of the threads, I just pm everyone involved. I don't feel me posting will help at all, no matter what I say. Too many trolls that aren't involved.

Thanks for support. Ill be honest, some serious shit happened last few days. Not good at all. Its been rough, I've tried to hold it together, but I failed. It'll be all fixed in a few days max
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[xetsr]

RavinTavin- Have you heard from him since?

How long is reasonable to wait before asking for scammer tag?

[Shootoo]

He got me for 1 btc. He had me post in his thread and he confirmed it himself

[sootedtho]

I just ran across xboxgames today in seals with clubs chat

his sc there is: nckfor2 (i believe he is also nckfor on btctalk as well)

he was asking for a big stake up front like .6 btc. lolol

I called him out as being a scammer, posted links to all related thread on his scamming.

I asked him for an explanation on his doings here at btctalk, specifically his sports betting scam, and wouldn't you know it he doesn't say a word and logs off immediately 

apparently he owes at least 1 btc on swc as well

[xetsr]

sootedtho- you sure that's him?

[sootedtho]

sootedtho- you sure that's him?

not 100% but very close.
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"Quote from: bitbook.biz on 18 June 2013, 08:45:53
Got some bad news guys. I googled some of his account info and it seems likely he is this guy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=167410.0

We don't normally do this sort of thing, of we'd have warned everyone right away. Really disappointing to see this stuff."
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this info from bitbook rep is pretty revealing. Has a btctalk account screenname nckfor. his paypal address was swcleague@gmail.com.

player nckfor2 was in swc chat today asking for a big stake upfront not wanting to go thru the automated bet bot used for staking. also apparently owes over 1 btc according to other players.

I confronted him with all scam related threads and asked him to explain himself. he insta logs off......

Also it was the first time he had logged on for several weeks.

[Tomatocage]

And he'll be back with another account as long as people continue to be careless with their money.