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so i want to create a fake transaction 1 that will go trough but will not get confiremd because its not real how can i do that?
People like you are the reason we need a trustless payment system like Bitcoin. The sense of BTC is to not having to trust someone in order to get a payment done. If it would be possible to create a "fake transaction" which shows up.. but then does not "go through".. you would need trust to recieve payments. So.. if you want to to scam people write an email telling them you send them 1 Million $ via mail if they send you 100 bucks via sepa,... But don't even try to trick someone like this with btc payments. It just doesn't work. I think printing money from your home printer is more of a "business" which suites you.. i dont want to scam anyone ffs i just wanted to know if it was possible i dont even care how i just wanted to know if thats somthing possible Anyway, why do you have to ask such fake transactions then? It wouldn't be appropriate if someone read it though because it almost sounds like a scam is going to happen. I guess you should start to write with the right question about of this topic like, "Is there a way that someone could create a fake transactions?" or "Is it possible that someone could've just send you a fake transactions number?" Just something like that you know, it's just my opinion.
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November 15, 2017, 05:36:23 AM |
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I don't think fake transaction would through miners because every transaction node you've made would be relayed on by the miners so that they can verify which is valid. It sounds rather suspicious to make those kind of transactions because you are like trying to deceive or trick someone with some kind of fake transaction sir, I don't meant any offense sir.
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November 15, 2017, 05:50:26 AM |
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i dont care if it gets saved in the blockchain i just want it to count like if i send it to an adress it will show up but because its fake it will just disappier because its invalid
This is not possible. This is possible. Just define what do you mean by "it will show up" If it means "it is visible on some block-explorer site" it is definitely possible. Take this one for example: https://blockchain.info/tx/ba8a7fb13a507a4987bfa267a6f12defc0d30216fdf6664cdc06cc4c8de71a84This is fake transaction.
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November 15, 2017, 08:54:53 AM |
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i dont want to scam anyone ffs i just wanted to know if it was possible i dont even care how i just wanted to know if thats somthing possible
You could theoretically create a Transaction with a extremely low fee. This TX will show up in the mempools (and therefore also on block explorers). Therefore you can create a transaction which will be shown online.. but never will go through because no miner will include your transaction into a block. But you can't really make use of this. Because Transactions/deposits to any site will only be credited with 1+ confirmation. A 0 Confirmation transaction is nowhere seen as a payments. Its like a "wish of a payment". Only after the confirmation (including into a block) this payment is being processed. And to awnser your question once for all.. No, its not possible to create "fake transaction" as you are imagining.
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November 16, 2017, 02:19:51 PM |
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so i want to create a fake transaction 1 that will go trough but will not get confiremd because its not real how can i do that?
you can do this on testnet. Wait what the heck. NO. I don't think fake transaction would through miners because every transaction node you've made would be relayed on by the miners so that they can verify which is valid. It sounds rather suspicious to make those kind of transactions because you are like trying to deceive or trick someone with some kind of fake transaction sir, I don't meant any offense sir.
Miners validate all transactions but the nodes wouldn't have relayed an invalid transaction in the first place. Mining isn't verifying transactions, strictly speaking. Please look your facts up before spamming. You could theoretically create a Transaction with a extremely low fee. This TX will show up in the mempools (and therefore also on block explorers). Therefore you can create a transaction which will be shown online.. but never will go through because no miner will include your transaction into a block.
It really depends on what is your definition of low. If the fee is 100satoshi/KB, it would almost certainly not show up anywhere other than your own wallet. Saying that miners won't include it into their block is also overgeneralisation. Of course they can include it, why not?
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November 16, 2017, 02:28:22 PM |
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If the fee is 100satoshi/KB, it would almost certainly not show up anywhere other than your own wallet. Wrong. Network relays even zero-fees transactions. They are standard.
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November 16, 2017, 03:50:09 PM |
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If the fee is 100satoshi/KB, it would almost certainly not show up anywhere other than your own wallet. Wrong. Network relays even zero-fees transactions. They are standard. Notice the use of qualifiers. Bitcoin Core 0.15.0 has removed the coin age function. Free transactions being relayed to Bitcoin Core 0.15.0 nodes will no longer have it relayed to others, provided that nothing in the compiled copy has changed. Obviously, this differs from node to node. That being said, of course 0 fee transactions are standard. But with the current situation, it is almost impossible for it to be propagated well.
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November 16, 2017, 03:56:06 PM |
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it is almost impossible for it to be propagated well. wrong. it is not "almost impossible". it is very easy.
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November 16, 2017, 04:47:39 PM |
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It really depends on what is your definition of low. If the fee is 100satoshi/KB, it would almost certainly not show up anywhere other than your own wallet. Saying that miners won't include it into their block is also overgeneralisation. Of course they can include it, why not?
Transactions with low fees will certainly get relayed. There may be a few nodes which specify which transactions will be relayed. But the majority of the nodes relay transactions "whatever" fee they include. Miner are profit orientated. Of course they can include a low fee tx instead of a transaction with a high fee. But thats lost money. Miner usually include the highest (sat/B)fee transactions. Simply because it gives the most money. But you are right, TX can be accelerated for free and thereby included by a miner (as a gesture of goodwill).
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amaclin1
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November 16, 2017, 06:43:25 PM |
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this is not a forum for fraud this is "Development & Technical Discussion" and this question is very on-topic imho
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November 16, 2017, 06:57:08 PM |
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so i want to create a fake transaction 1 that will go trough but will not get confiremd because its not real how can i do that?
Since I am more of a moralist, the question I would like to ask is why would you want to create a fake transaction in the first place without having a sinister motive. Even as a senior member, I don't know the existence of something like this which means I can still be duped thinking I got a transaction, send the goods then wait till eternity for it to confirm because my understanding is that once sent, it cannot be reversed.
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November 16, 2017, 07:35:43 PM |
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Since I am more of a moralist, the question I would like to ask is why would you want to create a fake transaction in the first place without having a sinister motive. Because it is very interesting to create something what others unable to create. Painters draw pictures which nobody else can paint. Musicants write music. Programmers create algorithms in computer language. Crypto-anarchists broadcast fake transactions. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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November 16, 2017, 10:57:56 PM |
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Why u should do so ? i remember last year someone did the same to me and scammed me in almost 500$, you should not do that mate
Yes, I agree that this seems not safe to do. you may want to be safe, then sorry.
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November 17, 2017, 01:39:10 AM |
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so i want to create a fake transaction 1 that will go trough but will not get confiremd because its not real how can i do that?
You have intention to harm or fraud someone. It not good for you. I hope no body help you.
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November 17, 2017, 07:41:29 AM |
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Man its simple just use photo editor easy.
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November 17, 2017, 10:41:31 AM |
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so i want to create a fake transaction 1 that will go trough but will not get confiremd because its not real how can i do that?
People like you are the reason we need a trustless payment system like Bitcoin. The sense of BTC is to not having to trust someone in order to get a payment done. If it would be possible to create a "fake transaction" which shows up.. but then does not "go through".. you would need trust to recieve payments. So.. if you want to to scam people write an email telling them you send them 1 Million $ via mail if they send you 100 bucks via sepa,... But don't even try to trick someone like this with btc payments. It just doesn't work. I think printing money from your home printer is more of a "business" which suites you.. I suspect the same thing on which this kind of question would really give him an idea to scam people just telling the other person that he did able to pay the funds but the truth is its just an fake one. This is not possible because once a transaction is broadcasted into the network then it would really be gets confirmed by miners. Double spending situation are on rare cases which i did eventually experience back in previous week when i do make use of electrum even the fees are just on average the network didnt recognize it and yet i have to add fee which results on double spend.
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November 17, 2017, 11:08:52 AM |
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I think you're talking about the double spend transaction . But double spend transaction is a trick using for scam, so i think you shouldn't try to know how to do it. Only know how to spot it for avoiding scam.
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November 18, 2017, 04:45:51 PM |
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you can try testnet, it is suitable for your situation.
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November 19, 2017, 08:32:31 PM |
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i dont care if it gets saved in the blockchain i just want it to count like if i send it to an adress it will show up but because its fake it will just disappier because its invalid
This is not possible. This is possible. Just define what do you mean by "it will show up" If it means "it is visible on some block-explorer site" it is definitely possible. Take this one for example: https://blockchain.info/tx/ba8a7fb13a507a4987bfa267a6f12defc0d30216fdf6664cdc06cc4c8de71a84This is fake transaction. yeah this is what i wanted to know how do you do it?
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