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November 10, 2017, 03:32:40 PM
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Roger Ver is using his bitcoin.com website to pass Bitcoin Cash as Bitcoin. My theory is that after the 2x cancellation he has ragequitted hard and is dumping all of his BTC (or a big amount, enough to manipulate the market) to stop the rise we were saying yesterday while pumping BCH. Some traders with big followings called a top for 2017 that was broken with the $7888 pump yesterday and are FUDding to save face and try to make a self fulling prophecy of their top, trying to pass 2x cancellation news as bad news which is dumb (example, Tone Vays), this would feedback loop Roger's big fat dump by making others dump too. So either Roger Ver is trying to exit scam BCH, or he is going to be supporting BCH from now on while actually dumping his BTC (thus far he didn't dump his BTC for BCH in other words he wasn't putting his money where his mouth is). I didn't dump all of my BCH so im still winning, but I don't expect this to last. At the end of the day, the big whales are on BTC except Roger. Also notice Roger didn't sign the 2x cancellation while Jihan Wu did. Jihan Wu has started being critical of BCash in the past few hours while supporting segwit:

https://twitter.com/JihanWu/status/928831035441274880

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No, please stop this. Bitcoin Cash is Bitcoin Cash. We should not confuse it with Bitcoin.
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Stick to reality, my dear brother. Bitcoin has upgraded with SegWit. Bitcoin is supported by Bitcoin fans, and Bitcoin Cash is supported by Bitcoin Cash fans. They are different.
7:45 PM - 9 Nov 2017

Split between Roger and Jihan's camp? We'll see.

TL;DR: Buy the fucking dip and enjoy BCH's pump while it lasts.


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November 10, 2017, 04:03:55 PM
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It might be the case. Today all the main cryptos are red or with no significant gains apart from bitcoin cash. Bitcoin is also losing dominance but just vs. bitcoin cash, unlike what happened between February and July.

Is he is really selling bitcoin cash as bitcoins, as it seems on his web (because "bitcoin cash" doesn't appear anywhere), he is actually deceiving people and should be punished for that. He is based in Japan and I suppose, as Bitcoin has been legalized there, there should be some regulations to punish that.

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November 10, 2017, 11:00:45 PM
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Whatever is happening with BCash, it appears to be a coordinated effort. Its likely something Roger Ver and friends have been planning for a long time. The most likely explanation is BCash will follow in the footsteps of ethereum. There will be a big spike. Followed by dump. Roger Ver and friends will ride away with the lion's share of profits. Then BCash will sit idle and not move much as eth has for the last few months. Ethereum may have already showed the blueprint for where BCash's future lies.

Most big price movements appear to be coordinated. With bitcoin it was a co-operative effort between Jamie Dimon, china banning exchanges and a host of media and academic personalities coordinating to label btc a bubble.

With bitcoin cash, it was a coordinated effort between bcash's network upgrade being out soon, Roger Ver attacking bitcoin and claiming bcash is the real bitcoin, sock puppets spreading pro bcash propaganda (like this:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2383794.0  ) and whatever else. Roger Ver and friends likely bought bcash to prop the price up and create a spike, intending to profit off it later from the shift of momentum?

If segwit2x was plan A. Bitcoincash pump and dump could be plan B. Notice how quickly after segwit2x was cancelled this coordinated effort @ bcash pump occurred.

This is an interesting topic. Unfortunately I cant say I've been following events close enough to know with good accuracy what the implications or exposition to this is.

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Whatever is happening with BCash, it appears to be a coordinated effort. Its likely something Roger Ver and friends have been planning for a long time. The most likely explanation is BCash will follow in the footsteps of ethereum. There will be a big spike. Followed by dump. Roger Ver and friends will ride away with the lion's share of profits. Then BCash will sit idle and not move much as eth has for the last few months. Ethereum may have already showed the blueprint for where BCash's future lies.


Interesting.

And, it seems like a very real possibility.

However, thinking again about it, for ETH it might not be a bad time to slowly accumulate and then wait for the next pump. There are so many ERC-20 tokens out there, and more every day. It's going to keep ETH in demand.



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November 11, 2017, 02:55:34 AM
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Whatever is happening with BCash, it appears to be a coordinated effort. Its likely something Roger Ver and friends have been planning for a long time. The most likely explanation is BCash will follow in the footsteps of ethereum. There will be a big spike. Followed by dump. Roger Ver and friends will ride away with the lion's share of profits. Then BCash will sit idle and not move much as eth has for the last few months. Ethereum may have already showed the blueprint for where BCash's future lies.


Interesting.

And, it seems like a very real possibility.

However, thinking again about it, for ETH it might not be a bad time to slowly accumulate and then wait for the next pump. There are so many ERC-20 tokens out there, and more every day. It's going to keep ETH in demand.




This isn't new with Roger Ver, he's been trying to make Bitcoin Cash the new Bitcoin for a long time now. Only now, but his and his teams efforts is he going to be able to somewhat get his way as people are already going on the crusade about how BCC is the new Bitcoin Which all of us know isn't true.

I really want to know what kind of planning went into this to make this price increase, and the social media posts, something that is pretty hard to do with billions in marketcap - what BCC had.

Can anyone explain?


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November 11, 2017, 03:35:36 AM
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Whatever is happening with BCash, it appears to be a coordinated effort. Its likely something Roger Ver and friends have been planning for a long time. The most likely explanation is BCash will follow in the footsteps of ethereum. There will be a big spike. Followed by dump. Roger Ver and friends will ride away with the lion's share of profits. Then BCash will sit idle and not move much as eth has for the last few months. Ethereum may have already showed the blueprint for where BCash's future lies.


Interesting.

And, it seems like a very real possibility.

However, thinking again about it, for ETH it might not be a bad time to slowly accumulate and then wait for the next pump. There are so many ERC-20 tokens out there, and more every day. It's going to keep ETH in demand.




This isn't new with Roger Ver, he's been trying to make Bitcoin Cash the new Bitcoin for a long time now. Only now, but his and his teams efforts is he going to be able to somewhat get his way as people are already going on the crusade about how BCC is the new Bitcoin Which all of us know isn't true.

I really want to know what kind of planning went into this to make this price increase, and the social media posts, something that is pretty hard to do with billions in marketcap - what BCC had.

Can anyone explain?



I don't know for certain, but there are a lot of Bitcoin-hate propaganda out right now. These have mostly died down as Bitcoin Cash remained dormant for the most part, but people are saying that Segwit2x backers are rallying to support BCH. It seems to me like they have convinced Segwit2x supporters to dump Bitcoin for Bitcoin Cash. This really couldn't have gone unplanned though, as it seems like nothing short of market manipulation.

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November 11, 2017, 04:17:47 AM
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Whatever is happening with BCash, it appears to be a coordinated effort. Its likely something Roger Ver and friends have been planning for a long time. The most likely explanation is BCash will follow in the footsteps of ethereum. There will be a big spike. Followed by dump. Roger Ver and friends will ride away with the lion's share of profits. Then BCash will sit idle and not move much as eth has for the last few months. Ethereum may have already showed the blueprint for where BCash's future lies.


Interesting.

And, it seems like a very real possibility.

However, thinking again about it, for ETH it might not be a bad time to slowly accumulate and then wait for the next pump. There are so many ERC-20 tokens out there, and more every day. It's going to keep ETH in demand.




This isn't new with Roger Ver, he's been trying to make Bitcoin Cash the new Bitcoin for a long time now. Only now, but his and his teams efforts is he going to be able to somewhat get his way as people are already going on the crusade about how BCC is the new Bitcoin Which all of us know isn't true.

I really want to know what kind of planning went into this to make this price increase, and the social media posts, something that is pretty hard to do with billions in marketcap - what BCC had.

Can anyone explain?



I don't know for certain, but there are a lot of Bitcoin-hate propaganda out right now. These have mostly died down as Bitcoin Cash remained dormant for the most part, but people are saying that Segwit2x backers are rallying to support BCH. It seems to me like they have convinced Segwit2x supporters to dump Bitcoin for Bitcoin Cash. This really couldn't have gone unplanned though, as it seems like nothing short of market manipulation.

For me it looks like a coordinated attack indeed. The timing is perfect. Suddenly BCH is being pumped and there is only few individual who we can really name as the one manipulating the price right now. I saw post all over as well, so I conclude that its a well planned attack. Even here in the forum you will see a lot shills propagating the BCH is the real bitcoin. We may see these attacks coming in as days passes. I still remember when ETH already rose to a new ATH and almost touches bitcoin marketcap. A lot of paid shills coming to the forum and preaching that the so called "flippening" is going to happened. But it didn't. So same thing will happen here. They will try to attack, but they won't succeed.

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November 11, 2017, 04:56:24 AM
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You never answered how Roger is using his Bitcoin.com site to pump Bitcoin Cash. How is he doing that?

TL;DR: Buy the fucking dip and enjoy BCH's pump while it lasts.

A better TL;DR: Buy the fucking dip with Bitcoin Cash!

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November 11, 2017, 03:29:34 PM
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You never answered how Roger is using his Bitcoin.com site to pump Bitcoin Cash. How is he doing that?

TL;DR: Buy the fucking dip and enjoy BCH's pump while it lasts.

A better TL;DR: Buy the fucking dip with Bitcoin Cash!

How new can you be? Bitcoin.com is propaganda central for BCash, same as the /r/btc subreddit. Also notice how this is all coming from that Korean exchange, it is obviously Roger Ver dicking around.

Also someone found this pastebin from months ago dated  Jul 30th, 2017:

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Traders, certain information has come to my attention that is causing me grave concerns and i feel it is my duty to warn each and every one of you.    
  
We all know the scaling drama has caused a huge rift, resulting in bitcoin forking into the soon to be "Bitcoin Cash".    
  
I know many have large holdings and savings in bitcoin, and are 'hodlers' and will never sell, so when the selling starts, you may lose everything if you don't also sell.  
 
Gentlemen, this is certaintly not going to be gentlemen.      
  
Certain information has come to light from back room channels, sources i cannot disclose ~ even writing this post will probably reveal my source - but i feel by gods will, I must warn you all.  
 
Selling is coming. Selling the likes of which hasn't been seen since MtGox era.  
Already as i type this, battleships of bitcoin are being shorted on all major exchanges.  
 
Gentlemen, The enemy, the big blockers, have colluded and joined forces. The chinese, Jihan & co have put together a plan to replace bitcoin with bitcoin cash.  
  
The plan goes like this:  
Chinese miners (f2pool, antpool etc etc) have organised with major exchanges (via/huobi/okcoin etc) to support and launch bitcoin cash.  
Initially they will let everyone who wants to sell, sell.    
Once the coin has bottomed out, and everyone who wanted to sell has sold, they [chinese miners/jihad/chinese exchanges] will begin accumulating lots and lots of bitcoin cash.  
They will then begin to pump the price  to around 0.1 BCC/BTC - 10%  
The big pools won't mine it ~ they will let the smaller pools see the returns from mining this expensive, but low difficulty coin and start mining it.  
Later, the larger pools will join, and as we know, jihad has ALOT of hashing power, their plan is for bitcoin cash to have more hashing power than bitcoin ~ and lets be honest, once t he chinese move over, that is pretty much it.  
Around this time, the 'hard fork' section of segwit 2x is not going to happen ~ it never was - Bitcoin cash will then be seen as the original NYA coin..  
At that point in time, Bitcoin cash will be on all major chinese exchanges, possibly some western exchanges aswell, and have majority hashing power. Western companies & other merchant providers (BitPay - @Spair) etc - paid off by bitmain etc will go along with the new bitcoin cash narrative and will push for the 'bitcoin cash' to be called 'bitcoin' on all their platforms, leaving only coinbase et all which will then be the odd ones out..  
  
Now comes the scary part, The old bitcoin, the bitcoin we know and love, is going to get DESTROYED.  
What determines a coins success ? It's market cap.  
Big old school blockers and miners are going to dump bitcoin back to the bottom, they will take literally billions and billions of dollars out of bitcoin. They will use the money to fund the marketing, and development, or 'bitcoin cash' - Think, Bitcoin core - FIRED.  Think - forbes article, "why bitcoin miners and companies are moving to bitcoin cash" - think - "Why the market is chosing bitcoin cash as bitcoin not bitcoin core"  - They wil lsay the market has spoken, that people have voted with their money.  
  
Right now, massive huge shorts are being built, already on finex, shorts are at 32k - not seen since $200 these kinds of numbers of shorts, and its climbing, all the t ime, consistently, they have ALOT of coins to short.  
    
The most painful kind of selling, is where it never bounces and if you remember MtGox from $1000 to $70, you'll remember what no bounces feels like ~ and I can tell you. This won't be any better.  
  
Good luck all, remember - fair warning.
  
Below is I grabbed, i also have some slack and telegram logs, I will sort them out later when i get back, i just want to confirm what I can safely disclose first for my own protection.
    
Email from [alice] to [bob] - http://imgur.com/a/FcZIp

https://pastebin.com/n0aGBMQr

Not sure how legit this is, but at least it predicted 2x being cancelled, but then again i also considered that possibility.

And I don't see big whales supporting BCash besides Roger Ver, everyone else thinks it's a joke. Therefore, I don't see how this isn't a pump to exit at higher prices before Coinbase allows people to dump their coins come January 2018.

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November 11, 2017, 03:54:44 PM
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Whatever is happening with BCash, it appears to be a coordinated effort. Its likely something Roger Ver and friends have been planning for a long time. The most likely explanation is BCash will follow in the footsteps of ethereum. There will be a big spike. Followed by dump. Roger Ver and friends will ride away with the lion's share of profits. Then BCash will sit idle and not move much as eth has for the last few months. Ethereum may have already showed the blueprint for where BCash's future lies.

Most big price movements appear to be coordinated. With bitcoin it was a co-operative effort between Jamie Dimon, china banning exchanges and a host of media and academic personalities coordinating to label btc a bubble.

With bitcoin cash, it was a coordinated effort between bcash's network upgrade being out soon, Roger Ver attacking bitcoin and claiming bcash is the real bitcoin, sock puppets spreading pro bcash propaganda (like this:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2383794.0  ) and whatever else. Roger Ver and friends likely bought bcash to prop the price up and create a spike, intending to profit off it later from the shift of momentum?

If segwit2x was plan A. Bitcoincash pump and dump could be plan B. Notice how quickly after segwit2x was cancelled this coordinated effort @ bcash pump occurred.

This is an interesting topic. Unfortunately I cant say I've been following events close enough to know with good accuracy what the implications or exposition to this is.

This is a planned action. They cancelled bitcoin segwith2x upgrade and BCC started to go to the moon. It's not a coinsidence very obviously.

Jihan Wu and Roger Ver are the wolfies trying to make themselves more rich. People are aware of this.

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November 11, 2017, 04:04:17 PM
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Yes I completely agree with you. Rover Ver is now showing his full commencement for bcash. The segwit2x cancellation was of course a win for the bitcoin community, that showed they can be reasonable, and even with different ideas, they will do the right thing for the bitcoin network.

Of course that the "big blocks lovers", now only have bcash as an option, so some will probably move there. I don't see any problem with that. I think this another good thing for bitcoin. Better to see this happening now, and to only have true supporters of BTC in the community. Since Roger Ver supports bcash, he would have to dump BTC for BCH eventually.


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Whatever is happening with BCash, it appears to be a coordinated effort. Its likely something Roger Ver and friends have been planning for a long time. The most likely explanation is BCash will follow in the footsteps of ethereum. There will be a big spike. Followed by dump. Roger Ver and friends will ride away with the lion's share of profits. Then BCash will sit idle and not move much as eth has for the last few months. Ethereum may have already showed the blueprint for where BCash's future lies.

Most big price movements appear to be coordinated. With bitcoin it was a co-operative effort between Jamie Dimon, china banning exchanges and a host of media and academic personalities coordinating to label btc a bubble.

With bitcoin cash, it was a coordinated effort between bcash's network upgrade being out soon, Roger Ver attacking bitcoin and claiming bcash is the real bitcoin, sock puppets spreading pro bcash propaganda (like this:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2383794.0  ) and whatever else. Roger Ver and friends likely bought bcash to prop the price up and create a spike, intending to profit off it later from the shift of momentum?

If segwit2x was plan A. Bitcoincash pump and dump could be plan B. Notice how quickly after segwit2x was cancelled this coordinated effort @ bcash pump occurred.

This is an interesting topic. Unfortunately I cant say I've been following events close enough to know with good accuracy what the implications or exposition to this is.

This is a planned action. They cancelled bitcoin segwith2x upgrade and BCC started to go to the moon. It's not a coinsidence very obviously.

Jihan Wu and Roger Ver are the wolfies trying to make themselves more rich. People are aware of this.

And don't forget the ongoin attack on the mempool with a massive amount of transactions out of nowhere coupled with spam all over internet forums about how "the flippening" is here. Reminds me of when the Ethereum "flippening" was about to happen. Let's see how high can they pump it before the big dump. They have until January 2018 to keep pumping because when Coinbase allows withdraws shit might get ugly if you didn't dump yet.

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For me it is all about strategy though, Roger Ver knows when to enter his ideas and FUDs and with that we can't do anything, its just that many people do really believes in him or starting to believe because of the SegWit2x cancellation but I don't think that this Bitcoin Cash will be the one that will replace the original Bitcoin because the price of it is only increasing doesn't mean it will last.

I feel sorry to those that will fall to this trap of Roger Ver, he thinks that he is Satoshi Nakamato but he is more of a business man more than a innovative developer that will help people's lives.

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If there is such a split between Roger ver and Jihan wu,then its really good for the bitcoin community.Roger ver is trying his best to pump fully BCH and at the same time,his supporters just try to create an image of segwit2x cancellation as a sad incident and due to it,most of investors are turning towards BCH.

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If there is such a split between Roger ver and Jihan wu,then its really good for the bitcoin community.Roger ver is trying his best to pump fully BCH and at the same time,his supporters just try to create an image of segwit2x cancellation as a sad incident and due to it,most of investors are turning towards BCH.
to me it doesn't look like business, it is all conspiracy. We all know who profit from it.


     
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Wow, i've counted the following people pumping BCash:

-Gavin Andresen:

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Bitcoin Cash is what I started working on in 2010: a store of value AND means of exchange.
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-Jeff Garzik:

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Messy divorce continues.  Some of this is short term pump & profit switching.  Some hash rate is permanently gone from BTC.

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1 billion people live in slums today.

These people cannot hope to escape without trade. This can be achieved with access to secure and low cost money.

This is what bitcoin cash delivers.

In the next decade, BCH will start to give these people hope and a way out of poverty.

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I am cautiously predicting that there's a tipping point somewhere around $2,000-$2,500 for #Bitcoin Cash, when Bitcoin Legacy will just be dropped like a bad habit and the exits will be crowded, except for by a few who still refuse to read the writing on the wall.




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If the economic majority truly prefers #Bitcoin to remain at #1MB base blocksize, then $BTC prices should go UP now that #SegWit2x is cancelled and the #No2X folks have won?

Let’s see in 3 months; I hope I’m wrong and see #Bitcoin at $10,000 soon.
#CautiouslyOptimistic

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Bought my first bitcoin for $6 in 2011. Sold my last bitcoin for $6227 in 2017.

Bitcoin has been taken over by people who do not share my values.

Bitcoin Cash is the vision I signed up for in 2011. The possibility of financial freedom for everyone.
11:27 AM - 11 Nov 2017


The list goes on. Just check these guys twitters, everyone is pumping this to the moon and back. So many billions being pumped in what seems the biggest altcoin pump ever. I hate that they are spamming BTC's mempool because I can't access to my BCash fast enough, by the time I get them the dump begins. Fuck, and I thought I would have a relaxing holidays.. there's no rest day in crypto.

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The rich guys can do whatever they want
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Sigh. I'm losing confidence a bit now. It seems bitcoin is devolving into forks every few months or so. So much drama. This is not what I was hoping. I still find these all confusing.

The rich guys can do whatever they want

That goes for everything, not just bitcoins.

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Maybe Roger Ver expected that Bitcoin will rise in value when Segwit2X happen that after finding out that it was cancelled he dumped his Bitcoins early on and is making a buying pressure in Bitcoin Cash to take another profit taking. But I don't agree with you that only Roger Ver has influenced the market and that he is the only one who dumped early on, there are many people just like Roger who would done the same after knowing the Segwit2X is cancelled.

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The rich guys can do whatever they want

Yeah pretty much, the guy just moved 25k bitcoin to finex which could pump any coin to the sky. But hey thanks for the free money.


     
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