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June 20, 2013, 03:41:31 AM
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it has come to many peoples attention that the OP of the bitcoin island (first wrote about in 2012) but soon after stopped replying due to questions starting to get more involved.

has now returned and again is requesting funds, and yet again refusing to answer any questions which would help investors beleive the funds would be used wisely.

the latest thread bitcoin island bootcamp is now in self moderation mode and simply deletes anyone that asks any questions beyond where can they donate.
so here is the questions that got deleted from me:
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obviously you don't realise that im a investor that could actually buy an island outright and in full..

so forgive me for sounding sceptical.

but before you claim that im a troll.. to avoid giving answers. (finshaggy style)

please validate your project beyond a 2 sentence brain fart that literally just asked for 3btc off of people.

show me some research, show me some proof of your involvement.

so here is the questions that got deleted from another person:
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without quoting other posts i will ask you directly.

in the multiple threads relating to bitcoin island in 2012 apart from mentioning crowd sourcing multiple millions of dollars. and showing many idealic places to set camp. You never went into the details of the experience you have of what would be required to build on the land. how you would achieve the builds etc.

what experience in the construction/real estate industries do you have?

how you propose to make it sustainable?

you seemed to have gone very quiet when those questions were asked before,

just because you proposed an idea one year ago, is not certification enough that you are experienced in the project to make it viable for investment.

so here is your chance to sell your knowledge and expertise, instead of us asking richard branson to project lead a bitcoin island. due to the fact that he has undeniable proof of making a sustainable island for himself and visitors.

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June 20, 2013, 04:42:20 AM
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In an effort to keep you (and your sockpuppets) out of my threads, I am happy to respond to you here.  I'm not sure what has possessed you to post these blatantly false and, frankly, defamatory accusations against me.  We have never before engaged in any business, Bitcoin or otherwise, correct?

Regardless, I'll point out a few of your libels:

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something here tells me that your a clone account of Finshaggy. a known troll

I am in no way associated with Finshaggy.  As far as I can tell, he has appropriated a couple of my ideas and uses them to troll the forums.  I am not happy about this.

If you had actually checked my posting history before making this accusation, you would see that I have criticized Finshaggy's posts in the past.

soon after stopped replying due to questions starting to get more involved.

This is blatantly false and unsubstantiated.  What possible basis could you have for such a ridiculous accusation?

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again is requesting funds, and yet again refusing to answer any questions which would help investors beleive the funds would be used wisely.

I have not solicited any investors for Bitcoin Island Boot Camp, only participants.  So, again, false.

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into selling seeds of different plants.

Complete fabrication.  I have never sold any seeds ever.

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the latest thread bitcoin island bootcamp is now in self moderation mode and simply deletes anyone that asks any questions beyond where can they donate.

False.  I have only deleted posts from you and your apparent sockpuppet, that you used to quote yourself and your ridiculous accusations.  Not a single poster has asked "where to donate".

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so here is the questions that got deleted from me:
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obviously you don't realise that im a investor that could actually buy an island outright and in full..

I don't think anyone on this forum has yet to hear your self-aggrandizing "investor" speech by now.  Once again, I am not asking for investors, so I'm not sure why you insist on trolling my threads.

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so here is the questions that got deleted from another person:

I have to ask, can you explain how you and this "other person" are so easily able to quote each other, even from deleted posts?  It seems to indicate that this is, in fact, your sockpuppet account.

Regardless, I appreciate that, as a Bitcoin "investor", you are probably hyper-sensitive and prone to flying off-the-handle accusing posters here of engaging in "scams".  I have no doubt that, with your obvious lack of literacy and reading comprehension skills, you have likely lost quite a few Bitcoins to poor investments.

But the fact remains that I have not scammed anyone.  And your accusations are false and defamatory.  So I'm going to have to ask you to stop.  Please consider this a fair warning.

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June 20, 2013, 08:14:27 AM
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lol

i ask you these questions any investor would. and when they get ignored and deleted. twice and i finally make a post about your tactics being similar to a scam artist. instead of quashing these rumours by simply answering the investor questions you go on an insult rampage about the scam accusation.

so here is one more try

i wont even bother rebutting the insult parts. i will continue to ask about your knowledge of real estate, construction, public utilities companies, land ownership, laws and permits involved in any of the items just mentioned.

what experience do you have?

... awaiting reply

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June 20, 2013, 04:06:21 PM
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I'm not really sure how to write this in a way that you will actually read it, and understand it, but please try:

I am not looking for investors.  Stop trolling my threads.

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June 20, 2013, 08:09:58 PM
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I'm not really sure how to write this in a way that you will actually read it, and understand it, but please try:

I am not looking for investors.  Stop trolling my threads.

if your not interested in money then stop showing your vanity address and quoting that the island will cost 300BTC per person and the boot camp will be 3btc per person..

this is your vanity address which you seek people to deposit funds to:
1SLAND4JQt2mhypA6cR7TSh2UunW4NU4y

so don't deny you don't seek funds..

and look you still decline answering the fundamental questions about your knowledge and experience...

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June 21, 2013, 04:20:48 AM
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Once again, I have absolutely zero interest in dealing with investors for Bitcoin Island.  I have made this clear from the very beginning.  The way you have acted here is a primary example of why that is.

If, at some point, you would like to buy a lot on Bitcoin Island to develop as an investment yourself, that might be an option in the future.  But it's not being offered yet.

So, instead of using this thread to demand information about an investment opportunity that exists only in your head, please use it for its intended purpose -- to substantiate any of the defamatory accusations you have made against me, to prove that I have "scammed" anyone, or to retract your statements and apologize.

If you can do that, and you are still interested in learning about my "knowledge and experience," then I'll invite you to sign a non-disclosure agreement and come to the Boot Camp and learn all about it.  I'll even waive the 3 BTC admittance, just for you.

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June 21, 2013, 12:27:04 PM
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Once again, I have absolutely zero interest in dealing with investors for Bitcoin Island.  I have made this clear from the very beginning.  The way you have acted here is a primary example of why that is.

If, at some point, you would like to buy a lot on Bitcoin Island to develop as an investment yourself, that might be an option in the future.  But it's not being offered yet.

So, instead of using this thread to demand information about an investment opportunity that exists only in your head, please use it for its intended purpose -- to substantiate any of the defamatory accusations you have made against me, to prove that I have "scammed" anyone, or to retract your statements and apologize.

If you can do that, and you are still interested in learning about my "knowledge and experience," then I'll invite you to sign a non-disclosure agreement and come to the Boot Camp and learn all about it.  I'll even waive the 3 BTC admittance, just for you.

you bore me with your ignorance.

the idea you propose is for people to hand you 3BT-300BTC.. for you to buy land.. that is automatically people investing in you!!!

i could have easily handed you a lump sum enough to buy an island freeing you of that burden. and then have it so that people just pay in their 300BTC for the allotment of land you propose to give each person.

but hey.. your ignorance far outweigh's the utopian dream you promote

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I don't think anyone on this forum has yet to hear your self-aggrandizing "investor" speech by now.  Once again, I am not asking for investors, so I'm not sure why you insist on trolling my threads.

i could have easily handed you a lump sum enough to buy an island freeing you of that burden. and then have it so that people just pay in their 300BTC for the allotment of land you propose to give each person.

Your motivation here is clear.  You are engaging in libel and tortious interference in order to attempt to negotiate an investment deal that, once again, I have never even considered, let alone offered.

I'm not sure where you live that you think this is acceptable behaviour.  It certainly isn't in the UK, which has rather strict libel laws.

So, since you refuse to either substantiate or retract any of your defamatory accusations, I'm going to have to ask that you be given a scammer tag or banned from the forum.

The moderators are free to investigate and make their own determination as to whether any of your ridiculous claims are even remotely substantiated, by searching their records to verify that I am not in any way connected with Finshaggy and have never once "sold seeds".  Your refusal to retract even your most ridiculous accusations should speak volumes about your true intentions.

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June 21, 2013, 09:25:08 PM
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They don't do scammer tags any more.

You just give him negative trust feed back and if I trust you, it effects the score I see for him.

Of course, if I don't trust you, it don't mean diddly.

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Im going to do a write up on bitcoinscammers.com  If this is a scam other will come forward.

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They don't do scammer tags any more.

Well, that's just fantastic.  No wonder the trolls have been running the asylum lately.

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Is this still going on?  He's told you he doesn't want your money.  How is he scamming you if he's not taking your money???
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Is this still going on?  He's told you he doesn't want your money.  How is he scamming you if he's not taking your money???
he is scamming the community. by asking the community for funds!

just because he now says he refuses to take money from one person does not make him legitimate.

he claims he is not asking for any money. yet is asking for 3BTC for his 'dry test' and 300BTC for the actual project.
there have been 6 people that have requested basic fundamental questions. not about the technologies he is supposedly selling under NDA that the island requires. but purely about this guys own knowledge/experience and background.

a scam is not just about after the fact. its also about spotting the scams before they happen.

EG when you receive an email saying you have won the Nigerian lottery and all they request is a small deposit to validate the lottery win and cover administration costs.

would anyone say it is not a scam and actually allow others to blindly pay into such an obvious and known scam. would you honestly and morally tell a friend or family that it is ok to deal with such a scenario

if this person wants to seek funds from people then he should reveal such basic of information.


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June 22, 2013, 08:48:04 AM
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Once again, I have absolutely zero interest in dealing with investors for Bitcoin Island.  I have made this clear from the very beginning.

the very beginning. lets start there.

Quote from: benjamindees link=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=82060.msg904229#msg904229
This property is currently bidding at around $125,000 with less than a week to go.  So I think 40,000 BTC is a reasonable goal.  If most Bitcoin users contribute, that's just a few Bitcoins per person.  And we get an island!  I can't say whether this will be possible or worthwhile, but it's worth a shot.  If we can get close, I have an investor who may be able to put us over the top.
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Where can I contribute?
 1SLAND4JQt2mhypA6cR7TSh2UunW4NU4y

I'm not sure where you live that you think this is acceptable behaviour.  It certainly isn't in the UK, which has rather strict libel laws.
lol you have no clue about law. especially hiding behind your pseudonym and ignoring any requests to reveal your true identity, knowledge or experience. which means any insults to "benjamindees" are not related to the writer behind the screen of this pseudonym or his personality/character in real life. because you ignore any attempt to establish a link to the name on the birth certificate of the accused. thus making insulting "benjamindees" the same as any other fictitious character.

a prime example would also be when, even if there was a link to your real life identity. by insulting "benjamindees" would still not land me in court for libel.

and with that i will say: Tony Stark AKA Iron man is a paedophile. now lets see how long robert downy Jr takes to get me in court. afterall everyone knows the link between the two names.(point being RDJ won't take me to court because Tony Stark is ot his birth name, and neither is "benjamindees")

have never once "sold seeds".
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5808.0

aswell as purely self modding/locking and ignoring posts as soon as anyone starts asking fundamental questions. he tries to twist the answers .. EG

Does this venture, by any chance, require the transfer of funds to a trusted party?

It requires transferring Bitcoins in order to purchase a lot.
selective removal of the word trust

as for other people spotting the holes and accusing him of being a scammer:
I can't believe how many scammers show up in this forum.  
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What's even more interesting is the fact that people are actually entertaining this poster.

there were 5 other quotes but he deleted their comments.

and lastly. my personal sentiment..
for a person that dislikes government control, laws and wants a free country with libertarian principles.. coming up with the BS about libel and courts, shows he has no clue. if you wants freedom away from laws and hide behind pseudonyms to grab bitcoins for a real estate project that deals in only FIAT (bitcoins are only useful at project completion). then don't expect laws to then protect you.

for a island to be purchased, fiat is needed upfront. and then bitcoins used in the later phases once people on the island want to trade their time for bitcoins. (mega flaw in his plan he did not answer to)

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June 22, 2013, 02:48:24 PM
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i have made it free and clear what is required to reduce the chances of being a scam.

ignoring the last paragraph of my last post and emphasising the questions above it

DO NOT TELL ME THE SECRET TECHNOLOGY

but please reveal:
1)who you are
2)what your knowledge is in these area's:
a)real estate
b)construction
c)utility companies
d)leadership skills
e)laws and permits required for a,b,c
f)laws and permits revolving around local eco-systems of an island (EG rare species protection)

do not answer/ignore the questions purely on the bases of me.. but on the bases of the whole community that may wish for a bitcoin island to actually exist

lets wait and see how the reply goes

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You know who I am.  This is my real name.  My address and phone number can be easily found.  This community knows a lot more about me than any of us know about you.

The rest of your questions are either completely irrelevant, or will be disclosed only under NDA and in person at Bitcoin Island Boot Camp.

But, be honest.  You aren't interested in Bitcoin Island.  You merely enjoy making a hobby of trolling Bitcoin-related projects on these forums.  You think that, since you can get away with hurling endless insults at posters like 'Finshaggy', you can do the same to me.  It's disgusting, really.  I'm not sure why it has been tolerated for so long.

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If we can get close, I have an investor who may be able to put us over the top.

Twist:  that investor was me.  Since the crowd-sourced donation effort obviously failed, I've decided to take another approach.  The fact remains that I have never solicited investment for Bitcoin Island, and I don't intend to any time soon.  Once again, your behaviour here is a perfect example of the reason I don't want to deal with investors.

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Stuff about libel law...

That is fairly impressive for only one day's research.  And on a weekend, too.  Do you have a lawyer on call?  I can tell you that my knowledge of libel comes from working for law firms.  Does yours come from defaming people often?

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Still not seeds.  But since you are concerned with farming experience, there you go:

he has no expereince of farming

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aswell as purely self modding/locking and ignoring posts as soon as anyone starts asking fundamental questions.

False.  I locked the original post when you started defaming me right off the bat.  I even linked it in the new post for anyone to see.

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there were 5 other quotes but he deleted their comments.

False.  I have only deleted posts from you and one other poster (your sockpuppet that you quoted above).

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and lastly. my personal sentiment..
for a person that dislikes government control, laws and wants a free country with libertarian principles.. coming up with the BS about libel and courts, shows he has no clue. if you wants freedom away from laws and hide behind pseudonyms to grab bitcoins for a real estate project that deals in only FIAT (bitcoins are only useful at project completion). then don't expect laws to then protect you.

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from reading his posts (yes i read every post over the many years of this guy)

And now you're stalking me?  And you want to lecture me on my political ideology?  What the hell is wrong with you?  Is this your motivation for trolling my threads and defaming me?

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for a island to be purchased, fiat is needed upfront. and then bitcoins used in the later phases once people on the island want to trade their time for bitcoins. (mega flaw in his plan he did not answer to)

Once again, you are an expert on everyone else's projects, despite having the least clue about them.  None of this is true.  You don't get to just continue to erect endless, fraudulent strawmen for me to have to defend myself against.  Substantiate any one of your claims or shut the fuck up.

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June 22, 2013, 10:18:14 PM
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You know who I am.  This is my real name.  My address and phone number can be easily found.  This community knows a lot more about me than any of us know about you.
And now you're stalking me?  And you want to lecture me on my political ideology?  What the hell is wrong with you?  Is this your motivation for trolling my threads and defaming me?

well your failure to just answer the questions as part of the active thread, would then require people as standard due diligence BEFORE paying out any money to try finding out some basic information..

if you want to call basic due diligence stalking then this is you getting defensive that you dont want people looking at you in detail.

requesting between 3BTC-300BTC is reason enough for anyone to require checking into you.

The rest of your questions are either completely irrelevant, or will be disclosed only under NDA and in person at Bitcoin Island Boot Camp.

but that requires the other 29 people to pay up money before knowing much about you or being called a stalker for trying to do some due diligence because you fail to disclose fundamental information that is not part of your secret technology, thus not requiring the NDA

But, be honest.  You aren't interested in Bitcoin Island.  You merely enjoy making a hobby of trolling Bitcoin-related projects on these forums.  You think that, since you can get away with hurling endless insults at posters like 'Finshaggy', you can do the same to me.  It's disgusting, really.  I'm not sure why it has been tolerated for so long.
actually i am very interested in bitcoin community projects. I have donated, invested and simply self funded many projects to aid bitcoins mainstreaming efforts and positive promotion. but what i do hate is people requesting funds without atleast answering the basic questions to atleast make the project look like it will succeed.

If we can get close, I have an investor who may be able to put us over the top.

Twist:  that investor was me.  Since the crowd-sourced donation effort obviously failed, I've decided to take another approach.  The fact remains that I have never solicited investment for Bitcoin Island, and I don't intend to any time soon.  Once again, your behaviour here is a perfect example of the reason I don't want to deal with investors.

the crowd sourcing effort of 2012 failed due to your lack of answering peoples questions or showing the exerience needed to make the project work. then exactly one year later, you attempt the same strategy again.. and yet again fail to answer the basic of questions which would not breach your NDA in regards to your secret technology

libel.
That is fairly impressive for only one day's research.  And on a weekend, too.  Do you have a lawyer on call?  I can tell you that my knowledge of libel comes from working for law firms.  Does yours come from defaming people often?
for a libertarian that believes in freedoms and also the law of the land where a crime is only a crime if someone is injured. you certainly want to threaten legal proceedings based on insults..

as a possible town mayor of the future.. you need to grow a thick skin as you will receive many insults.. i would love to see you arrest your residences because they don't like your attitude.

aswell as purely self modding/locking and ignoring posts as soon as anyone starts asking fundamental questions.

False.  I locked the original post when you started defaming me right off the bat.  I even linked it in the new post for anyone to see.

you locked the 2012 thread for reasons unrelated to me..
the 2013 thread you self modded and selectively deleted me, and atleast 4 other people.

there were 5 other quotes but he deleted their comments.
False.  I have only deleted posts from you and one other poster (your sockpuppet that you quoted above).

 i only managed to screen capture one guys posts to then quote later. after you deleted it but i could also count 3 others i was unable to screen capture/quote.
none of them were my sock puppets, and basing the fact that me being able to quote others is simply because my screen capture button is faster then your delete button. not because they are sock puppets of me.

it seems that you have learnt to delete any scam accusers on your own threads this year so that you can keep trying to get the 3BTC-300BTC off of people

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and lastly. my personal sentiment..
for a person that dislikes government control, laws and wants a free country with libertarian principles.. coming up with the BS about libel and courts, shows he has no clue. if you wants freedom away from laws and hide behind pseudonyms to grab bitcoins for a real estate project that deals in only FIAT (bitcoins are only useful at project completion). then don't expect laws to then protect you.

from reading his posts (yes i read every post over the many years of this guy)

for a island to be purchased, fiat is needed upfront. and then bitcoins used in the later phases once people on the island want to trade their time for bitcoins. (mega flaw in his plan he did not answer to)

Once again, you are an expert on everyone else's projects, despite having the least clue about them.  None of this is true.  

its easy for you to say substantiate when you fail to offer any information to confirm or deny. this is standard practice of a scammer.

You don't get to just continue to erect endless, fraudulent strawmen for me to have to defend myself against.  Substantiate any one of your claims or shut the fuck up.
i don't have strawmen.. i have my real name which i use for business.. and i have this pseudonym as an out of hours name to seek out projects which can actually help the community. and to also help the community when an obvious scammer is present.

to add to this. your use of the term strawman instantly makes any legal knowledge you pretend to have uncreditble. the term strawmen came about fairly recentlydue to a whole youtube movement of people claiming to be freemen, obeying only the law of the land and not the law or corporate policing/government. it came about as part of the 'aunt sally' term which started in the UK within the last few years. to me it makes you sound more like a youtube anarchist as soon as you used the word strawman.

(back to the 2012 island idea)
that being said. with yourself being the main investor.. why didn't you just buy an island in 2012 and now say.. hey guys i got an island.. lets do this.
answer: becasue you do not have the funding.

and my last point. the 2012 thread you mentioned that any funds given to the http://blockchain.info/address/1SLAND4JQt2mhypA6cR7TSh2UunW4NU4y bitcoin address which if the project did not go through within a timely fashion. you would give the person a refund minus a small admin percentage.

after locking the thread in 2012 many would have expected the funds of 1SLAND4JQt2mhypA6cR7TSh2UunW4NU4y to have been refunded.........

I DO NOT TRADE OR ACT AS ESCROW ON THIS FORUM EVER.
Please do your own research & respect what is written here as both opinion & information gleaned from experience. many people replying with insults but no on-topic content substance, automatically are 'facepalmed' and yawned at
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June 22, 2013, 10:39:38 PM
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again we as a community are not asking for your secret technology. we only seek basic due diligence information about YOU and about how trustworthy YOU are to be handling 3BTC-300BTC BEFORE having to hand over 3BTC


DO NOT TELL US THE SECRET TECHNOLOGY

but please reveal:
1)who you are
2)what your knowledge is in these area's:
a)real estate
b)construction
c)utility companies
d)leadership skills
e)laws and permits required for a,b,c
f)laws and permits revolving around local eco-systems of an island (EG rare species protection)

do not answer/ignore the questions purely on the bases of me.. but on the bases of the whole community that may wish for a bitcoin island to actually exist


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Please do your own research & respect what is written here as both opinion & information gleaned from experience. many people replying with insults but no on-topic content substance, automatically are 'facepalmed' and yawned at
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June 23, 2013, 06:12:14 AM
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but that requires the other 29 people to pay up money

I honestly have no idea why you keep referring to "29 people".

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the 2013 thread you self modded and selectively deleted me, and atleast 4 other people.
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i could also count 3 others i was unable to screen capture/quote.

Can a moderator please help 'franky1' to confirm that he hallucinated this incident, and seek the medical help he obviously needs?

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it seems that you have learnt to delete any scam accusers on your own threads this year so that you can keep trying to get the 3BTC-300BTC off of people

I have only deleted people who defame me with unsubstantiated nonsense.  So far, that's just you and your (one) likely sockpuppet.

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you fail to offer any information to confirm or deny. this is standard practice of a scammer.

It's also the standard practice of anyone wishing to protect his business against shady investors attempting to steal trade secrets.

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You don't get to just continue to erect endless, fraudulent strawmen for me to have to defend myself against.  Substantiate any one of your claims or shut the fuck up.
i don't have strawmen.. i have my real name which i use for business.. and i have this pseudonym as an out of hours name to seek out projects

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

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after locking the thread in 2012 many would have expected the funds of 1SLAND4JQt2mhypA6cR7TSh2UunW4NU4y to have been refunded.........

I'm happy to return any of those Bitcoins to anyone who requests them.  No one has.

I am at least glad that you have taken the time to learn the reason that the original thread was closed.  Does this mean that you're retracting this portion of your scam accusation, that I am a scammer because I closed a thread primarily pertaining to a time-limited auction?  That would be progress at least...

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June 23, 2013, 07:31:30 AM
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again we as a community are not asking for your secret technology. we only seek basic due diligence information about YOU and about how trustworthy YOU are to be handling 3BTC-300BTC BEFORE having to hand over 3BTC


DO NOT TELL US THE SECRET TECHNOLOGY

but please reveal:
1)who you are
2)what your knowledge is in these area's:
a)real estate
b)construction
c)utility companies
d)leadership skills
e)laws and permits required for a,b,c
f)laws and permits revolving around local eco-systems of an island (EG rare species protection)

do not answer/ignore the questions purely on the bases of me.. but on the bases of the whole community that may wish for a bitcoin island to actually exist


It sounds like there are things he wants to keep secret and things he wants to reveal.  If he doesn't reveal certain things and you think not revealing those things to you makes it unacceptable for you to take this risk, then no one is forcing you to buy into this.  Other people may do their homework and think that this is something they are willing to pay for.  But I don't think that withholding some information rises to the level of a scam.  You have to evaluate this member's contributions and see if you think it's something you are willing to pay for.  But as long as he delivers what he says he will, it's not a scam.

There are many publishers that will offer bookstores the opportunity to have the first shipment of a book, but not tell the bookstore what the book is or sometimes even who the author is.  It's up to the bookstore to do the research behind the company to see what they have produced in the past to see if this is likely going to be a good gamble (for example, having Oprah's newest book for 2 weeks before anyone else does is great for sales...) or not (having my book that I wrote in MS word for 2 weeks before anyone else does won't make you a cent!).  Withholding information does not make something automatically a scam
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