Scam Accusation Thread [Resolved]

[Pinwheel]

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[inrbtcad]

fucking scammer    , agreed on price, I offered pay fee  for escrow he refused escrow. another addition to collection of clowns here in Indian section.

Everybody has the freedom to express their opinion, the same way the esteemed member Pinwheel has expressed just above. At the same time others also have their right to say, like me, representative of INRBTC

Personal messages are not be disclosed as they are personal, but as in the present case, since Pinwheel has made an accusation based on personal message, I have NO option but to disclose the personal messages based on which an negative observation has been made on us. We take our business seriously. You can be the judge based on the PM exchanged between me and Pinwheel.  I think Pinwheel can vouch for the accuracy of these messages.

hello

I want to sale 20btc 6200 rate. let me know if you interested to buy. Escrow  by John K, I will not send bitcoins direct to without escrow.

PW

Thank you.

    An offer from a established member in this forum is indeed an honor.

Regarding price, there is nothing much I can do, it is what is on our website during order time. it is price for holding risk and volatility. We did a few trades yesterday at 6200 though. you can check our historical prices when you click on Sell. The transactions can be seen on our bitcoin address. The address is in my signature.

Regarding escrow, if you are worried about getting scammed, try selling a few bitcoins at a time. If you hold an ICICI Bank, the transfer is instant else NEFT is once an hour. Sell the next BTC after you receive amount for the first. I am sure if you start selling 3 BTC per hour, by end of the day we can complete all 20 BTC transactions. I can assure you the same price for all 20 BTC provided we disclose the same on this forum about the total deal.

Escrow does not work for both of us, time delay and cost.

Let me know your views.

for your information on this forum in english part, not Indian, if person in such deal refuse escrow, he at once considered as a scammer, at once. I pay escrow fee, best rate I can give 6100. Escrow with JohnK.

I want to buy from snapdeal 4 SMTP Corsair here is link
http://www.snapdeal.com/product/corsair-vs-650-smps/509794?pos=0;2

rate 6000, only escrow deal. I send btc to escrow you ship, I receive item I will release escrow.

one more thing you will not use dealing with me for your advertisement, no info must appears in public forums,unless I want to leave feedback myself.

thanks
PW
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Rs 6026 for buying from Snapdeal. You will get your order number from snapdeal within 15 mins of transferring bitcoins. Someone from the site will be available on live chat, until you receive your order tracker. Still no to Escrow

In my opinion escrow is between individuals, I am representing an organisation here and not dealing as an Individual.

I am not trying to prove a point nor trying to offend you. No offense intended.

Thanks again.

so you here just to smam people, what kind of organization you represent? is it registered partnership or firm, or limited company what is the name. I can check it with company registrar. You are just kid who think he can come here and bullshit people like that. Sure you can bulshit Benson but not me.

[Pinwheel]

fucking scammer    , agreed on price, I offered pay fee  for escrow he refused escrow. another addition to collection of clowns here in Indian section.

Everybody has the freedom to express their opinion, the same way the esteemed member Pinwheel has expressed just above. At the same time others also have their right to say, like me, representative of INRBTC

Personal messages are not be disclosed as they are personal, but as in the present case, since Pinwheel has made an accusation based on personal message, I have NO option but to disclose the personal messages based on which an negative observation has been made on us. We take our business seriously. You can be the judge based on the PM exchanged between me and Pinwheel.  I think Pinwheel can vouch for the accuracy of these messages.

hello

I want to sale 20btc 6200 rate. let me know if you interested to buy. Escrow  by John K, I will not send bitcoins direct to without escrow.

PW

Thank you.

    An offer from a established member in this forum is indeed an honor.

Regarding price, there is nothing much I can do, it is what is on our website during order time. it is price for holding risk and volatility. We did a few trades yesterday at 6200 though. you can check our historical prices when you click on Sell. The transactions can be seen on our bitcoin address. The address is in my signature.

Regarding escrow, if you are worried about getting scammed, try selling a few bitcoins at a time. If you hold an ICICI Bank, the transfer is instant else NEFT is once an hour. Sell the next BTC after you receive amount for the first. I am sure if you start selling 3 BTC per hour, by end of the day we can complete all 20 BTC transactions. I can assure you the same price for all 20 BTC provided we disclose the same on this forum about the total deal.

Escrow does not work for both of us, time delay and cost.

Let me know your views.

for your information on this forum in english part, not Indian, if person in such deal refuse escrow, he at once considered as a scammer, at once. I pay escrow fee, best rate I can give 6100. Escrow with JohnK.

I want to buy from snapdeal 4 SMTP Corsair here is link
http://www.snapdeal.com/product/corsair-vs-650-smps/509794?pos=0;2

rate 6000, only escrow deal. I send btc to escrow you ship, I receive item I will release escrow.

one more thing you will not use dealing with me for your advertisement, no info must appears in public forums,unless I want to leave feedback myself.

thanks
PW

Rs 6026 for buying from Snapdeal. You will get your order number from snapdeal within 15 mins of transferring bitcoins. Someone from the site will be available on live chat, until you receive your order tracker. Still no to Escrow

In my opinion escrow is between individuals, I am representing an organisation here and not dealing as an Individual.

I am not trying to prove a point nor trying to offend you. No offense intended.

Thanks again.

so you here just to smam people, what kind of organization you represent? is it registered partnership or firm, or limited company what is the name. I can check it with company registrar. You are just kid who think he can come here and bullshit people like that. Sure you can bulshit Benson but not me.

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so you do not accept escrow when client offer to pay escrow fee, so you scam simple as that

you wrote you represent ORGANIZATION what is registered name of your ORGANIZATION post it here. I will check with company registrar. You will not post it because you dont have it. You are just stupid kid who even dont know that any one can check company name on India registrar of Companies and see also directors names. So fuck off, and  thanks for posting my PMs.

One shit after another it will never ends here.

[inrbtcad]

Dear Moderator,

        INRBTC is willing to transfer 1 BTC to you for safekeeping. If in the next two months if anybody can prove to you that INRBTC has scammed, you can then transfer the same to them.

Each of the order at INRBTC will have an order number. If you get a scam notice for any specific order number, you can ask us for the proof of delivery and if INRBTC is unable to provide you the details within 2 days, then you can declare a scam and distribute the BTC.

Let me know your views. 

As per Pinwheel's suggestion about the company details and company registrar's.  My name search in goggle will bring my company name where I am the director right on the first page. The company name will be disclosed when we think it is the right time. Not because you are asking for it.

The moderator know's my details and at any point of time, if the moderator feels that people have been subject to scam from INRBTC, then he can disclose my name and my company's name.

This is going to be my last post about Pinwheel's baseless allegations. My next action will be send 1 BTC to a public address , if the moderator agrees to my proposal.

Regards,
INRBTC Admin

[Benson Samuel]

INRBTC, your business has good scalability. In this light, I would not be the correct person for Escrow as the risk would be quite high. Am good for smaller amounts, but not for Enterprise level Escrow as yet. Enterprise level Escrow will pull me into arbitration as well and I am not paid well enough for that :p.

Do check with John K, he has a stronger method of verifying Escrow.

Sure you can bulshit Benson but not me.

That would be correct. I have been fooled too many times on the forums and people have got scammed. Especially by people like INRBTC and mukundh3 who do not follow Pinwheel's rules, but have a good reputation/ decent entry attempt.
You have been serial-accusing people without much substance.
A seller has the right to refuse Escrow and you have the right to refuse to buy or sell to that person.

You may get correct with 'one' observation 'EVENTUALLY', but you are losing credibility with weak and jealous accusations.

Do it right, if you want to prove a scam. I have spoken to INRBTC on the phone, and we have him on a Google Hangout, where some mature individuals are present (These are the people who do not scream 'SCAM' when something confuses them.) I have also reached out to some contacts in Hyd to confirm his business. The same thing that was done for buysellbitco.in as well.

one more thing you will not use dealing with me for your advertisement, no info must appears in public forums,unless I want to leave feedback myself.

People can always say that this statement looks scammy. This has been made post a request that all trades on the forum remain in a public thread. Of course, it is your prerogative to do trades like this. You do not see anyone calling you a scammer for this do you?

With INRBTC, the business model is awesome and you have the scope to build a powerful company. All the Best! You are free to do business on the forums at your own terms. Do not get bogged down by accusations. But please do allow for Escrow requests. People who are willing to pay for the service must be provided Escrow without any hesitation.

[Benson Samuel]

As per Pinwheel's suggestion about the company details and company registrar's.  My name search in goggle will bring my company name where I am the director right on the first page. The company name will be disclosed when we think it is the right time. Not because you are asking for it.

I know this. You did not think that I would trust you without doing my homework. Did ya? 

[escrow.ms]

Well i have done exchange with inrbtc before and i have his info, he owns a private limited company but still that doesn't matters here as his company is old and was registered for another purpose. I mean i also own a private limited company, a ngo and a import export firm but they have no connection with bitcoins or my online services.

Also i think you are using a shared hosting, I will advice you to use a vps or a dedicated server for safety.

That security deposit idea is good but that doesn't secures 1+ BTC deal.

[inrbtcad]

As per Pinwheel's suggestion about the company details and company registrar's.  My name search in goggle will bring my company name where I am the director right on the first page. The company name will be disclosed when we think it is the right time. Not because you are asking for it.

I know this. You did not think that I would trust you without doing my homework. Did ya?  

My mistake, this was directed at Pinwheel not you. I realized this after seeing your statement, forgot that I was addressing you and not Pinwheel.

[Pinwheel]

so you collecting people money without disclosing company name. it is fraud and Benson you are facilitating crime and so you are accomplice  (by making this thread sticky as a staff of this forum you adding credibility to this scam). Instead of warning people of possible scams you promoting them.

If company/firm real or not verified  not on google but on http://www.mca.gov.in/Ministry/roc.html Registrar of companies of Ministry of corporate affairs.

As I said he will not post his company name, he did not posted it. DO NOT ORDER IT IS A SCAMM

[subvolatil]

I didn't  want to  weigh in but ....  


ok Firstly  Benson, this is the  reason why i told you not to pin/encourage a business  let businesses promote them  self. businesses can always  think and  innovate  was to provide  services and  promote  them self.

secondly, Pinwheel right  now  you  my  be  hitting the  wall to hard. In  india there  are may  ways  for  entities to  exist, not  only  as a company i.e pvt. ltd. But, the  Registrar of  companies  only deal  with   two  types  of  entities a  ltd.  and a LLP.   the later  being  easier to  incorporate.  
However an  indian  national is  not  required  by  law  to only  run a  LTD. or a LLP business. It can  be  of  any of the following  kind.

1. Proprietorship (Which  does not  require any  formal  gov. registration)
2. Partnership (same as  above but  with a  partner)
3. Hindu joint  family  business (same  as  above  but a   family  fun  business)
4. Cooperative (get together  a  few  people  an  start  a  co-operative  business like  Amul.)

All the  above  mentioned   businesses  can  run  legally without  impunity. yes  some  regulated  businesses  need membership  from  associations  and   trade  unions or  licences . like  export and  import , and  some  whole sale  businesses.

But in  no way is  it requires  to be a  registered  business.

A note  to inrbtcad, i hope you  do know  that  when  referring to a  business as a company, i  is usually  implied  as a  Ltd. registered  company  with the  Registrar  of  companies.
I know  it  takes  ages  to register  a  company and getting  DIN, and  all the   stupid  formalities may  take  you a  few  months. Be honest  about  the  incorporation there is nothing wrong  in  being a Proprietorship. Just make  sure  you dont screw  people  over.  

Build  your  business on trust  and  honor.

[Pinwheel]

in any case it is not good enough to refuse escrow, he does not have any reputation here and refusing escrow (regardless of form of his business) make him a scammer.

[subvolatil]

in any case it is not good enough to refuse escrow, he does not have any reputation here and refusing escrow (regardless of form of his business) make him a scammer.

true  about that, cant  deny you  point. but he did make  a proposal  to  buy  in low  quantity  to  build trust. however He should  also  be in  position  to accept people  who  want to  go  through  escrow. 

So inrbtcad let  people  go through  escrow when  you  are  currently not  providing  your  identity.

Pinwheel stop  hammering  the  guys so much.  just  point  out  their  flaws. and  put up  you warning. if  others  get  scammed  its  the fault  of the others   who  did not  take  your  warning seriously. 

[Pinwheel]

in any case it is not good enough to refuse escrow, he does not have any reputation here and refusing escrow (regardless of form of his business) make him a scammer.

true  about that, cant  deny you  point. but he did make  a proposal  to  buy  in low  quantity  to  build trust. however He should  also  be in  position  to accept people  who  want to  go  through  escrow. 

So inrbtcad let  people  go through  escrow when  you  are  currently not  providing  your  identity.

Pinwheel stop  hammering  the  guys so much.  just  point  out  their  flaws. and  put up  you warning. if  others  get  scammed  its  the fault  of the others   who  did not  take  your  warning seriously. 

you not seen me hammering yet, but thanks will consider your advice

[Benson Samuel]

ok Firstly  Benson, this is the  reason why i told you not to pin/encourage a business  let businesses promote them  self. businesses can always  think and  innovate  was to provide  services and  promote  them self.

Because 1 person has a problem with every new business?

Apologies mate, but the forums are a good entry point for any business and I will not dissuade anyone from working here. Anyone who requests their thread to be pinned will be accommodated within reason.

so you collecting people money without disclosing company name. it is fraud and Benson you are facilitating crime and so you are accomplice  (by making this thread sticky as a staff of this forum you adding credibility to this scam). Instead of warning people of possible scams you promoting them.

I think we should raise this under the main scam accusations page and let the community moderate.
In fact, if you do not want to raise this under the scam accusations page, then you are a scammer trying to ruin businesses.

[Pinwheel]

Benson you are not bringing bitcoins to India, bitcoins were in India long before you know about it. You bringing scams into bitcoins. you think it is all fun of been promoter of bitcoins, but once some one will get scammed and lost money, he will complain to police and at that moment, when they will grab you ass all fun ends. Get it clear in your head, your new businesses are CRIMINALS !!!! committing a crime under Indian penal code.

At some moment I had hope that maybe you  will wake up, not much left.

[Pinwheel]

You may want it to be seen as I intentionally ruining good businesses, it is not true. I like to see bitcoin business growing same as you. I give this guy a chance, 16000 inr for PSUs and 120000 exchange, I did not have intention to ruining him, I give him a chance, and he refused escrow asked me to pay in advance. And what is pissed me off most started lecturing me how to sale bitcoins. ANd why this shit feel so good here, because he has your patronage. What goes around comes around.

[Benson Samuel]

Benson you are not bringing bitcoins to India, bitcoins were in India long before you know about it. You bringing scams into bitcoins. you think it is all fun of been promoter of bitcoins, but once some one will get scammed and lost money, he will complain to police and at that moment, when they will grab you ass all fun ends. Get it clear in your head, your new businesses are CRIMINALS !!!! committing a crime under Indian penal code.

At some moment I had hope that maybe you  will wake up, not much left.

How do you know when I came to know about Bitcoins? More half assed assumptions from you. If you think it was when I started a blog or this account, think again.

Why are you pulling me into every conversation? Even in PM with others?

Everyone you accuse seems to answer your questions. What more do you want?

What scams have I brought into Bitcoin? What is this business of 'MINE' that you are talking about? Do you even know what I do?

If you want more, please start a Bitcoin Regulation Agency (BRA), and see if you can control merchants. That is not a project that interests me.

[Benson Samuel]

And what is pissed me off most started lecturing me how to sale bitcoins. ANd why this shit feel so good here, because he has your patronage. What goes around comes around.

So is that what actually pissed you off? And you pulled me and other problems into this?
No one has my patronage, but everyone who enters has  my 100% understanding until they give me a reason to kick back.

[Pinwheel]

And what is pissed me off most started lecturing me how to sale bitcoins. ANd why this shit feel so good here, because he has your patronage. What goes around comes around.

So is that what actually pissed you off? And you pulled me and other problems into this?
No one has my patronage, but everyone who enters has  my 100% understanding until they give me a reason to kick back.

making this thread sticky is a patronage, it means thread and business approved by MOD

please dont think that I want to top you off and take your position, I will not become MOD here even they will pay me good amount of money.

[Pinwheel]

Benson you are not bringing bitcoins to India, bitcoins were in India long before you know about it. You bringing scams into bitcoins. you think it is all fun of been promoter of bitcoins, but once some one will get scammed and lost money, he will complain to police and at that moment, when they will grab you ass all fun ends. Get it clear in your head, your new businesses are CRIMINALS !!!! committing a crime under Indian penal code.

At some moment I had hope that maybe you  will wake up, not much left.

How do you know when I came to know about Bitcoins? More half assed assumptions from you. If you think it was when I started a blog or this account, think again.

Why are you pulling me into every conversation? Even in PM with others?

Everyone you accuse seems to answer your questions. What more do you want?

What scams have I brought into Bitcoin? What is this business of 'MINE' that you are talking about? Do you even know what I do?

If you want more, please start a Bitcoin Regulation Agency (BRA), and see if you can control merchants. That is not a project that interests me.

I'm regular member here. I got into situation when seller tried to scam me. Whom attention I should relate, your of course. Because it is sticky it means approved by you.