24 GPU RIG

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24 @ $799 $19176   MSI GeForce GTX 1080 Ti DirectX 12 GTX 1080 Ti SEA HAWK X 11GB 352-Bit GDDR5X PCI Express 3.0 x16 - Are 770 actually (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137113)
 6 @ $297    $ 1782   LEPA G1600-MA ATX12V 1600W Gold PSU - Is 262 actually (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1UH3YG329)
 1 @ $229    $  229   ASUS B250 MINING EXPERT LGA 1151 Intel B250 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 ATX Intel Motherboard - Is 140 actually (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813119028)
 1 @ $262    $  262   Intel Core i5-6600K 6M Skylake Quad-Core 3.5 GHz LGA 1151 91W BX80662I56600K Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 530 - Correctly Priced
 1 @ $212    $  212   G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3000 (PC4 24000)  - Are 154 actually (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231878)
 1 @ $149    $  149   SAMSUNG 850 EVO 2.5" 500GB SATA III 3D NAND Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)  - Is 140 actually (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147373)   
 4 @ $ 47    $  188   6-Pack MintCell VER 008S Multi-Power 16x to 1x Powered Riser Adapter Card 60cm USB 3.0 Extension Cable - Correctly Priced
 1 @ $ 17    $   17   PCI-E to PCI-E Adapter 1 Turn 4 PCI-E Slot 1-4 USB 3.0 Mining Special Riser Card - Correctly Priced
 2 @ $180    $  360   Aluminum Open Frame (T Slot) Mining Frame
 9 @ $  2    $   18   SODIAL 5Pcs N52 Disc Magnets Neodymium Rare Earth Magnet Magnetic 20x3mm with Hole 5mm
 2 @ $ 38    $   72   ABS Platic Sheets (Exterior, used in conjuction with magnets to just pop all panels on/off with no screws)
 1 @ $ 99    $   99   Windows Home OS
 1 @ $ 25    $   25   Orange Pi Controller with custom software (provides system info and control remotely through smartphone or website)
 1 @ $103    $  103   US 7" HDMI HD 1024x600 LED Screen Display Module  - Is 50 actually (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIABNJ57K3957) - Lower if i looked at places other than newegg, but lets stick to newegg for now
 6 @ $ 22    $   66   Custom build 120V/30A Relays (Used by Controller)
 1 @ $ 10    $   10   Push-On/Push-Off Power switch (turns on Controller which takes over complete control)
 1 @ $ 80    $     80   Triple wall heavy duty shipping box
 1 @ $ 52    $   52   Custom form packing Foam to fit system/box
 1 @ $ 90    $   90   Leather Document Holder - Medium - Saddleback Leather - Black (hold all Discs, Manuals, benchmarks, etc. Attached to back panel)
 1 @ $475    $  475   UPS Freight shipping (USA only)- Approximate, depends on destination zip. Also no insurance added as I have not shipped one yet - I could ship a Bike at that price, but lets assume its true for basic calcs
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 Total:      $23,465   Excluding US Employee labor costs
Total(Revised) $22,488       Based on a basic price check of some of the components, at full retail pricing this ofcource excludes all the entries beyond the core components, and ignores any potential discounts when you are building 500 units
 Labor:      $ 1,040   ~$210/day Hr rate, plus, withholding taxes and insurance
 Cost:               $24,505   Cost for us to build
 Dev Cost :       $  1,661   Development cost, dedicated server, administrator and 3 support techs - added this in based on your footnote
 Profit:           $ 5,494    Profit from consumer buying 1 each (lower for more units per order)
 Operation:   $ 2,018   Since manufacturing these will be 1/3 of our business revenue, calculate in 1/3 of the operation costs (calculated to 5 day period)
 Net Profit:        $ 1,815
 
Dev cost actually needs to be split between Labor and Operation, it shouldn't be a separate line item based on how its defined

 Whats not calculated in here? All small hardware, ties, misc cables/adapters, etc. bought in bulk.

 Entire frame, panels are custom made from source materials for each system - mentioned in the BOM
 Each Controller is custom built for each system - mentioned in the BOM
 Goal is Quality, Performance and Lifespan.
 

So there you go. System exists and is stable. Build it yourself if you want - or don't.

[EDIT] Was wondering why it was coming up with $3.5k profit and the spreadsheet says ~$1800. The current in-house system does not have have the Orange Pi with display/relays that provides the remote control and system information. Developers started work on that in October and will not be done until end of January. I split the development cost, dedicated server, administrator and 3 support techs of evenly between 500 units. Net profit is $1815 USD.

Ok Enjoy.

Did a quick price check on some of the components, it appears this BOM isnt from your previous research because it looks hastily hashed together - picks up the higher prices from quick searches to support your "high" costs. Not too far off though, just overcharging by a 1000$ if we consider full retail prices for all components.
Transparency is a good thing, but the people on this forum (most of em) arent Idiots so please dont assume as such. List out an accurate bulk pricing BOM, and add in 5,000$ (or whatever) profit straight up, I would appreciate that more - nobody works for charity, and people understand that you have to pay for good workmanship.
While this looks like an interesting project, we need pictures of a unit/prototype and/or a video of it in action. A picture is more impactful than a wall of text, especially with that kinda pricetag.
Unfortunately all you have shared thus far point to this being an Idea that exists on paper only. Here is why :

• The BOM looks hastily put together, and mentions full retail prices (mostly higher that whats available) for unit qtys, we all know bulk prices are markedly different.
• No pictures, links, videos of anything working, not even a sketchup or an illustration to support the idea.
• You do not understand mining well enough to know why Nvidia or why not AMD, how mid range GPU's give you a much lower ROI period and thus a much higher return.
• Your Miners are set to Nicehash by default, thats the best your research and development team could narrow down upon? No miner worth his salt uses the Nicehash miner, you wouldn't either if you had ANY real world mining experience
• You try to sell "Cloud AI, Smart Cities, Self Driving cars. You could sell Computer power to schools or anyone else that is looking to push their CUDA code" as use cases. Are any of those buying hashpower yet? Please share a link where we could sell hashpower to any of those buyers, im sure people would be very interested. Because I "Could" use my "Cuda" cores to develop Skynet and end the world some day.
• And ... get ready for this, this is a BIG one You CAN NOT run 24 x GTX 1080Ti on the Asus B250 Motherboards.You can not run more than 13 actually, there is a BIOS limitation that Asus themselves haven't been able to work out yet. The only GPU that will currently get you past the 13 card Hard limit are the P106 mining cards. And even with the Mining P106 cards, there's another hard limit of a total of 21 cards. If you had "Built" even 1 prototype of the system that you are trying to gauge interest for, you would know this.

[blevotron]

it's probably interesting choice for novices, but for guys who can build the rig by their own hands it's rather useless

[BitBustah]

I am sorry, you are correct. Ambient Room Temp is in Fahrenheit.
And ok, yes the MSI cards were indeed stable at 80C. But I have stated my GPU settings several times here, 75C is my set maximum and they have never hit that range (yet)

I think 80C is a lot and might decrease the lifespan of a GPU...

[Cereberus]

Why paying 29.999 USD for a 24 GPU-rig when an expert can build it itself with 1x ASUS mining expert and 1x Asrock H81 PRO BTC or Biostar PRO BTC. The cost will be cheaper this way and will be a lot of fun as when you build something yourself from scratch gives you the feeling of some kind of happiness (personal experience). The cost will be cheaper and 24 GPU do not give you though 201 USD profit daily from the tests I have done with different mining boards, normally a rig with 6 GPU-s 1080 ti gives you 20 USD per day multiply per 4 which is 24 GPU-s is 80 USD not taking into account electricity. After we remove electricity of 24 1080 ti it remains about 65 USD approximately profit daily depending on the country and price of the electricity of that country.

[phuocduong]

super power RIG ...

[thedec4]

For something like this... Okay you're building and testing it.. But if people have the amount of money you're charging then they could build nearly 2 of what you're offering.

Granted its been 'tested' But... there is so many guides out there on how to set up rigs that anyone could set one up if they had common sense.

But the only issue is if you're saying the temp is 75-80 degrees The life of those cards is going to take a big hit.. Better off having something which runs alot cooler which will prolong the lifespan of the cards to help ROI

[wacko]

I think 80C is a lot and might decrease the lifespan of a GPU...

But the only issue is if you're saying the temp is 75-80 degrees The life of those cards is going to take a big hit.. Better off having something which runs alot cooler which will prolong the lifespan of the cards to help ROI

Guys if you read the thread you'll see that the GPUs don't run at 75-80C. They just "tested" the stability with those temps, they're not planning to mine 24/7 with them running so hot. It's actually not that easy to run the watercooled 1080 Tis with those temps, they're well under 70 most of the time (even between 50 an 60 when properly tuned). Running them at 80C is just a part of their stress testing routine.

[NlaakStudios]

Don't get discouraged b/c most people on this mining forum already knows how to build a gpu rig and we're very picky and criticize everything to our custom preference

I think you do have a market for people not technically PC savy and dont' want to deal with pc issues of building a rig.  I'm sure pro traders would also be interested for a turn key  easy solution so that way they can keep on day trading and get a new stream of cash flow as well as understand the concepts of mining hands on.

If you can build a very reliable rig, hand pick out the best reliable cards and have it run for a week without crashing, I think you'll get some sales.

I do think you should allow for some customization of hardware components or offer 3 different type of builds or something.  It's nice to be  able to customize it, For example I want the high efficiency 240 volt platinum server grade power supplies,  Or offer platinum/titantinum power supplys and the customer can use eaither 120 or 240 volt.  Or separate the system out with two/four motherboards so it's more modular in case one fails the whole system won't go offline earning nothing.

Can you show us some pics,  I'm interested now.

If they really make a 24 GPU rig happen, it's a way cool! not much of us could build this also guarantee a stable operation. As I remember in Bits Be Trippin' youtube channel, BBT already tried and failed on it.

Yeah I watched that. He was mixing 8 NVidia Mining Cards with AMD (which did work fine). He never had a chance then, he does now.
Driver 188.00 Added 8+ NVidia GPU Support ... BUT -> There is always a BUT!

At the same time kinda broke the 1060 Mining cards with came with/tested with 185.xx driver (8 GPU max) but retail cards worked fine past 8

So I my initial test system, ASUS B250 Mining board I hooked up 8 MSI's, 9th card sketchy. All cards 16 (nvidias posted to BIOS no issues, really fast)

BUT, windows, even though they are the best for driver support (still cant get 188.0 for linux, i think) enumerates ALL cards every time.

So with spending time on with advanced support for a few week (ASUS, MSI, nVidia) I figured out that even though once the system was configured and actually mining (of course you really do not need much CPU/RAM/HDD) but you do need it for windows/nvidia driver configuration.

Therefor I decided to change CPU out for i7 7700k (from G4400) $330ish, bumped the RAM to 32GB (from and bump the SSD (samsung evo 120) to 512 (with swap file and windows I had very little space left) -> this added another $480 cost to the the system - a system with ~$19,200 worth of GPUS (2.5% of overall computing power cost increase) But it worked. You still have to start with 4 GPU,s wait, reboot, 4 more GPUs, wait, reboot, Then 1 GPU, wait, Reboot all the way through. It really does take all day to install 24 GPUs.

Then you have to turn off sync like GPUs in Afterburner and tweak each one individually. Good news is that you can set the CPU (all but 2 cores) to go ahead and mine as well (help make a little bit more and have the CPU/RAM/SSD pay for them selves ~400 days) while the ROI on the system itself is ~280 days. Not bad for a a GPU rig.

Plus look at it this way...If you went traditional way and used 3 each MB/CPU/RAM/SSD - it costs more than the $480 to just upgrade the base performance.


Anyway this system is dead for consumer sale. The response was, wow, negative to say the very least. I invested a lot of money and time over 3 months getting it to work. That was supposed to be offset by my batch of Baikal X10's that were supposed to be here in OCT 25th ish, delayed until NOV 15, and not i'm watching youtube videos of ASIC Miner Market mining with my (our) miners and still have no shipping confirmation. I have had to pull it apart to sell to pay Business AmEx bill. Doing that today. I dont know if Im going to setup it up as two 8 GPU systems or one 16 GPU system yet. But I will keep one 8 GPU system running for at least $37 ish/day until I recover and can build the new one.

The new one, despite the responses here will most likely just be 18 GPU powered by Intel i5 6600k, 16 GB RipJaw  RAM, 512 GB Samsung SSD  powered by four EVGA 1600W Titanium Power Supplies and completely Liquid Cooled. When completed, tested (30 days) I will get in touch with Bits Be Trippin' and see if I can sent it to him for a Un-Boxing and review. That will decide where it will go to market. It's not worth building and selling if company has to buy from Amazon, CDW, NewEgg at retail. Need to order the GPU's in bulk and that's at least $200k tied up for building in groups of 10ish just in parts alone.


Anyway, hope this info helps some of you get past the 8 GPU nvidia GPU limit as well as stabilize you rigs a bit more.

[EDIT]
Oh forgot, use the 188.00 or 188.13 driver, DO NOT use 188.10 (buggy) I am using 188.13 and its working fine.

[Coffee135]

My equipment RX580 6x 4GB cost $ 2,500. Therefore, I can independently gather the same equipment for $ 10,000. You offer it for $ 30,000. Are you crazy? What you need to be an idiot to do it. No your idea is more like a Scam. Just stupid to make such suggestions on the forum where a lot of specialists in this business.

[Ventureum]

Any reason why you want to go for very expensive motherboards/cpu/ram and ssd?
It makes no sense from a mining point of view.

I can't agree with you more. mobos/cpu/ram/ssd should be the cheapest ones.

[umine]

FYI: Please take a moment to read the thread before voting. Pay close attention to @senseless as he/she has good some points if you are a advanced IT and can build your own.

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Would you invest in rig like this?
How many would you want?

You would like to attract investment to your project but you don't show any photos of the hardware. There is no weblinks or something else information. What watercooling system do you use?

[lunobird]

Any reason why you want to go for very expensive motherboards/cpu/ram and ssd?
It makes no sense from a mining point of view.

I can't agree with you more. mobos/cpu/ram/ssd should be the cheapest ones.

I disagree.  Some miner machines like myself do run full node eth mist wallets and other staking coin wallets that requires a lot of hardrive space. 500 gb ssd is cheap and affordable now.

I also like to surf the web and do trading so having a decent enough cpu is nice while I'm still mining.

[oddity2505]

In my opinion, it's too late to invest so much in a huge rig of 1080ti. Not so much time left until the new generation of nvidia gpus will appear and they might make current cards obsolete, how it happened to 9xx cards.

[wacko]

I disagree.  Some miner machines like myself do run full node eth mist wallets and other staking coin wallets that requires a lot of hardrive space. 500 gb ssd is cheap and affordable now.

I also like to surf the web and do trading so having a decent enough cpu is nice while I'm still mining.

Why would you serf and trade from a dedicated mining rig? Especially from one that costs $30k? Running wallets on mining rigs is also not a good idea in general since you can't always trust new miner software and never know for sure that it's not infected with the code to steal your wallets.

Running a regular PC that also does mining — sure, in such a scenario I totally agree with you, put as good CPU/RAM/SSD in it as you want. But doing all those things you listed from a dedicated mining rig? I guess, if you have $30k for a rig like this, you can surely afford a proper desktop/laptop for general computing.

[Wawaji]

In my opinion, it's too late to invest so much in a huge rig of 1080ti. Not so much time left until the new generation of nvidia gpus will appear and they might make current cards obsolete, how it happened to 9xx cards.

The new generation will have that HBC memory RX Vegas use, so they'll be good for other algos but not the current ones dominated by 10xx series