[Archived] Profit tracking.

[Lutpin]

Here are the numbers for April (Month #5), as following:

BTC investment: 0.563% increase.
ETH investment: 0.467% increase.
LTC investment: 0.142% increase.
XMR investment: 0.408% increase.
STRAT investment: 3.217% increase.
DOGE investment: 1.146% increase.
DASH investment: 0.643% decrease.
PPC investment: 1.459% increase.
GAS investment: 0.688% decrease.
BCH investment: 0.337% increase. (stats from 25th to 1st)

Average return assuming same investment in all coins: 0.650% increase.


The OP has been updated with the current chart summarizing all months so far and table containing more information (eg rollovers).
BCH has been added and will be fully tracked from this month onward, not quite sure how to integrate it into the chart, yet.

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[SimplyRouge2]

These seems to be quite an interesting investment, and I like the tracking you have provided. 

Could I please know what the current bank rolls are to get an idea of % of ownership in each of the coins?

[TheQuin]

The current bankrolls are:

BCH      BitCoinCash   370.78694202   
BTC      BitCoin      1,546.75483643   
DASH   Dash         1,187.15579082   
DOGE   DogeCoin      137,486,796.69857965   
ETH      Ethereum      23,394.99347065   
GAS      NeoGas      6,222.17365689   
LTC      LiteCoin      16,740.14130770   
PPC      PeerCoin      14,399.06206053   
STRAT   Stratis      36,318.28009347   
XMR      Monero      5,763.86438054

[Lutpin]

Could I please know what the current bank rolls are to get an idea of % of ownership in each of the coins?

I've used rollover in my table, as I consider this a more important stat than the plain bankroll size.
Eg having a 5% share or a 10% share in a coin with 100% monthly rollover will give you the same expected profit (compared to your investment).
However having a 5% share in a 50% monthly rollover coin and a 250% monthly rollover coin results in very different expected returns.
You can see this eg with PPC and BTC this month, where I hold a similar share of the bankroll, PPC has a way higher profit due to its constantly higher rollover.

The current bankrolls are

Or sorted by value (denominated in BTC):

ETH - 23,395 (1806 BTC)
BTC - 1,547 (1546 BTC)
LTC - 16,739 (276 BTC)
XMR - 5,764 (154 BTC)
DOGE - 137.5M (82 BTC)
DASH - 1,187 (62 BTC)
BCH - 371 (59 BTC)
STRAT - 36,318 (30 BTC)
GAS - 6,222 (20.6 BTC)
PPC - 14,401 (4.26 BTC)

[DarkStar_]

BTC - 1,547 (1546 BTC)

:thinking:

[Lutpin]

BTC - 1,547 (1546 BTC)

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That's what happens when you suck at rounding

[coincruncher1982]

Is it still possible to invest? I'm interested in investing in crypto gambling.

[TheQuin]

Is it still possible to invest? I'm interested in investing in crypto gambling.

Yes, investments were reopened to new investors when they added Bcash.

https://blog.crypto-games.net/2018/04/added-bitcoincash.html

[coincruncher1982]

Is it still possible to invest? I'm interested in investing in crypto gambling.

Yes, investments were reopened to new investors when they added Bcash.

https://blog.crypto-games.net/2018/04/added-bitcoincash.html

I see. How do I join as an investor?

[Lutpin]

I see. How do I join as an investor?

You deposit the coins you want to invest, wait for enough confirmations and then visit

Your account -> Invest

Click Add investment, enter the details, click +add and you're done.

[squatz1]

I see. How do I join as an investor?

You deposit the coins you want to invest, wait for enough confirmations and then visit

Your account -> Invest

Click Add investment, enter the details, click +add and you're done.

Don't know if you're still doing this now, but if so -- what's the investments looking like -- profit wise?

[Lutpin]

Don't know if you're still doing this now, but if so -- what's the investments looking like -- profit wise?

As the title says, this is a monthly thread.
The stats for the months December to April (the last full month) are in the original post, that's how the investments are looking like right now.
The next update will happen in early June with the stats for this month, May, no new stats before that.

[yogib]

Since I got no reply from coingamblingreviews after posting in his thread, could you please check if I got my numbers right, Lutpin? From what I've seen in my own investments, his recent numbers for Crypto-Games should be much higher instead of almost stagnating for the last ten weeks or so.

[squatz1]

Ah, sorry about that -- missed that part in the thread.

Is there anything you would want to advise people if they were to get involved with gambling investments? Is there anything you wish you knew when you started?

[Lutpin]

Since I got no reply from coingamblingreviews after posting in his thread, could you please check if I got my numbers right, Lutpin? From what I've seen in my own investments, his recent numbers for Crypto-Games should be much higher instead of almost stagnating for the last ten weeks or so.

My investment since the 1st is up by 0.35% which is in line with your 4 week and 5 week results of 0.29% and 0.37%

Is there anything you would want to advise people if they were to get involved with gambling investments? Is there anything you wish you knew when you started?

A lot of people only compare based on one factor, eg they look for the highest house edge, or the highest total wagers, but ignore other things that have an impact on your profits.
One number I feel is very important but doesn't get looked at as much is the rollovers (bankroll to wager ratio), which is eg why PPC has a way higher profit than BTC, even though having little traffic.
So my advice would be to take a look at all numbers when comparing investments, not just a single aspect of them.

[Lutpin]

Time files and it's already been half a year since I started tracking.
The OP has been updated with the current chart summarizing all months so far and table containing more information (eg rollovers).

Here are the numbers for May (Month #6):

BTC investment: 0.350% increase.
ETH investment: 0.159% increase.
LTC investment: 0.670% increase.
XMR investment: 0.947% increase.
STRAT investment: 0.787% increase.
DOGE investment: 0.964% increase.
DASH investment: 6.152% increase.
PPC investment: 0.882% increase.
GAS investment: 0.053% increase.
BCH investment: 1.011% increase.

Average return assuming same investment in all coins: 1.198% increase.

Despite a slightly lower average rollover (79.65% compared to 103.49% the month before), the average investment increase has almost doubled from 0.65% to 1.198%.
In May, all tracked investments have been showing positive returns (last time this happened was December / Month 1), and they have mostly been in the same/expected area.
Visible exception is DASH, which jumped by over 6.15%, bringing it from a previously negative to now 6.133% total increase. Which leaves GAS/GRC as only coin being down overall in the 6 month period.

[Lutpin]

Chart and Table in the OP have been updated, I've slightly improved styling on both of them.
(eg the time invested now fits the month, it previously started at 1, now starts at 0 as it's supposed to)

Here are the numbers for June (Month #7):

BTC investment: 0.342% increase.
ETH investment: 0.152% increase.
LTC investment: 2.168% increase.
XMR investment: 0.466% increase.
STRAT investment: 1.769% increase.
DOGE investment: 3.983% increase.
DASH investment: 0.078% increase.
PPC investment: 3.001% increase.
GAS investment: 2.833% increase.
BCH investment: 4.089% increase.

Average return assuming same investment in all coins: 1.888% increase.

The average rollover has improved a little, but is still below the previous months (79.65% improved to 88.22%).
Regardless, the average investment increase has significantly increased once again (been at 0.65% two months ago) from 1.198% to 1.888%.
Like in May, this month all tracked investments have been showing positive returns, and all investments are now positive over the whole tracked period, with DASH and GAS leaving the red numbers.
Visible exception this month is BCH, which jumped by over 4.089% and provided the best return to investors, besides having a below average rollover with ~80%.

[Muttley]

Awesome returns Lutpin. Congrats all investors.

[Lutpin]

As I've been asked to provide the rollovers for all months (not just the current one) for better comparison, I've figured I'd make a small post with a table including all rollovers so far based on coin/month.



(The dark blue bars might be a bit confusing, as their size is based on comparison to the biggest rollover that month only, so 50% bars are bigger in some months and smaller in others.)

[Lutpin]

Cross-posting this from the official thread as it should be interesting to investors as well (especially those with a bigger investment amount that might be affected by the limits once divested and withdrawn).

Just a quick question. Do you also get instant withdraws when you win (and cash out) like 500 ETH or more?

The main limitation there is hot wallet size, big transactions like that can quickly reach the full amount of the available hot wallet (as the hot wallet size is limited for security reasons),
and thus be delayed simply by the fact there aren't enough funds in the automatic system to be processed, which then needs manual interference of someone moving funds to refill the hot wallets.

Determining the full hot wallet for most coins is hard, as all funds are spread over many different addresses, with ETH however, there is just one main address,
so we can plot the balance of that one to guesstimate the "instantly available" funds.
Doing so from block 1,012,078 (Feb 2016) results in the following graph:



As you can see, at one point, there were almost 10k ETH in the hot wallet (though that spike is just short, as the funds of course were quickly moved into a more secure storage location).
While that historic chart is nice to look at, it doesn't give us much information about the current situation (numbers from 2 years ago are kinda outdated, especially with all the price changes since).
So let's zoom in a little, and look at a graph for the last 4 months:



While the wallet balance fell below 100 ETH a few times, most of the time withdrawals of at least 200 ETH could be processed instantly from the available funds in the hot wallet,
with there being at least 500 ETH or at least 1000 ETH available a fair amount of time as well.

I have no way to know about Mayson's transactions, but I would guess the latest drop in hot funds from cca 450 to cca 50 comes from them withdrawing what they had won at one point.
Which also means their withdrawals have been processed instantly from the hot wallet, but that is (as already mentioned) just a guess.

I was planning to do more extensive charts/stats in higher intervals, eg every 6 months or every year.
If you have suggestions about what additional information you would find interesting to be included in those, let me know.