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[danieldaniel]

I don't think its blackmail when you are threatening to kill the guy @buyer

its like someone pointing a gun at someone, and then when the victim says, "put the gun down or I'll stab you *as they pull out a knife*" and then the guy with the gun tries to get the victim sued for blackmailing. Legally speaking, extortion laws are actually much more strict than you would believe. First off, there can be no provocation. If you jam someone into a corner, and their only rational decision is to attempt to threaten / extort their way out, it isn't criminal. If you provoke the reaction, ex. you mess with BCB's threads repeatedly, he asks you to stop, you don't, and then he tells you to stop or else, its not extortion, its an ultimatum. Theres a bunch of odd little rules like that, I would advise looking into it yourself, and Viceroy/Buyer, I would say if you decided to take actions legally, as you keep threatening, I believe BCB would have a fairly solid counter-suit.

I'm not a lawyer or anything, but I've done some independent study about some law topics (mostly to impress a girl's father who was a lawyer) and I found a neat article about what is and isn't blackmail. I'll see if I can find it. Anyway, regardless of all of this, Viceroy, please stop with the frivolous threads. I know I know, if they annoy me, I don't have to read them, but your topics are like a car wreck involving a school bus and an oil transportation truck, you just can't look away.

*sits back, watches, and cringes*

edit* forgot to mention, this is U.S law, if the two of your are off somewhere else, disregard my input

Hah!  Thanks for the (semi)expert input.  I was thinking about that, but I didn't have the time to look it up (had to go for a few hours).

>your topics are like a car wreck involving a school bus and an oil transportation truck
LOL

[greyhawk]

 The regulators I report to do not take that lightly.

Laffo, you mean hopping on fincen.gov, filling out form 107 (which says "hey dudes and dudettes, I'm sending money for other people and this is where I claim to live"), sending it out aaaaaaaaaaaand done. Yup, heavy regulation going on there.

[BCB]

I don't think its blackmail when you are threatening to kill the guy @buyer

You are mistaken in the order of events.  Buyer sent information to BCB to enact a transaction that BCB offered to initiate.  Then BCB blackmailed buyer by threatening to expose his name and (presumably) his personal information to the internet including known criminal actors.  When it became clear that BCB was threatening blackmail which he sent to me thinking I am Buyer I started a thread to call out BCB's actions.

Later on when BCB threatened that he had pictures of Buyers kids and he futher threatened to publish Buyers identity Buyer apparently, and rightly, made clear that if BCB ever came near Buyer or Buyers family (which BCB was offering to share with known other criminals) at that point Buyer made his position known that he would kill BCB if BCB came anywhere near Buyer or Buyer's family.  I'm sure under state statute Buyer, who allegedly lives in Colorado, is protected in his direct statement that he would protect his family by killing BCB if BCB the known blackmailer or any of his "greasy little friends" ever came to harm the Buyer family.

That is the chain of events.  

Sean you do realize you just posted as the wrong alt. 

[danieldaniel]

I don't think its blackmail when you are threatening to kill the guy @buyer

You are mistaken in the order of events.  Buyer sent information to BCB to enact a transaction that BCB offered to initiate.  Then BCB blackmailed buyer by threatening to expose his name and (presumably) his personal information to the internet including known criminal actors.  When it became clear that BCB was threatening blackmail which he sent to me thinking I am Buyer I started a thread to call out BCB's actions.

Later on when BCB threatened that he had pictures of Buyers kids and he futher threatened to publish Buyers identity Buyer apparently, and rightly, made clear that if BCB ever came near Buyer or Buyers family (which BCB was offering to share with known other criminals) at that point Buyer made his position known that he would kill BCB if BCB came anywhere near Buyer or Buyer's family.  I'm sure under state statute Buyer, who allegedly lives in Colorado, is protected in his direct statement that he would protect his family by killing BCB if BCB the known blackmailer or any of his "greasy little friends" ever came to harm the Buyer family.

That is the chain of events.  

Fucking really, man.  We've already figured out that Buyer is your sock puppet.  Can you *please* stop referring to him as a separate goddamn person?  This is why everyone finds you annoying.

What you said is everything buy a lie.  If you read what Salty said, what he did isn't EVEN BLACKMAIL, regardless of *when* you threatened to kill him.  You have been harassing him (i.e.: putting him into an awkward situation), and he threatened to take action if you didn't stop harassing him.  

In addition to this, you're *still* threatening him.

Also: To clarify, BCB never threatened to release ANY pictures.  In fact, he completely said he wouldn't.  He was just threatening to call DCF.

 The regulators I report to do not take that lightly.

Laffo, you mean hopping on fincen.gov, filling out form 107 (which says "hey dudes and dudettes, I'm sending money for other people and this is where I claim to live"), sending it out aaaaaaaaaaaand done. Yup, heavy regulation going on there.

Huh, it's really that easy?  I'm going to try doing that.

[danieldaniel]

Did you say something blackmailer?

Also, this is what a 7 year old would say.

[SaltySpitoon]

Also, @ Viceroy and Buyer, I know I made a statement against you a few minutes ago so I'm sure you are reluctant to read anything else I have to say, but something actually just came to mind that I figured I'd bring up for you two to ponder. Do you really think threatening to get the Gov involved in shutting down a BTC business will really win you favor in a public Bitcointalk thread on a forum filled with anarchists and libertarians? Thats like bragging about being a snitch in prison, the only difference being, in prison after someone shanks you, they are going to get caught. Bitcoin people are scary, they have anonymity on their side, check out the hidden wiki if you haven't already and seriously think about reprocussions that could occur because of this thread, be it physical, or just people messing with you. Also, I'm personally not threatening you, because it does sort of sound like that as I reread this, but I did want to bring it to your attention. Even if no one got pissed off enough to at least mess with you, you still wont be winning anyone's favor publicly threatening to report a fairly respected bitcoin business to the authorities, ficen, or whatever.

Kind of reminds me about that story about the guy in a taxi in Russia, and overheard the taxi driver threatening to kill Pirate40 on the phone.

[danieldaniel]

Also: To clarify, BCB never threatened to release ANY pictures.  In fact, he completely said he wouldn't.  He was just threatening to call DCF.

Buy a clue, dude.  Start at the top of the thread and learn to read.

Cite where he said he would do that, please.

[nottm28]

This thread doesn't reflect well on American's in general - just sayin

[Ozymandias]

Cite where he said he would do that, please.

The first time BCB blackmailed Buyer was in a private message which is posted in post # 5.  It reads:

Please stop PMing me or you Vitals and the IP and MAC address of your iPAD will be posted to the scammer thread detailing your illegal money laundering operation.
(I would destroy that iPad if I were you.)

It is clearly blackmail AND libel.  

Also probably some extortion, lewd and lascivious conduct against a minor, and carrying ice cream in his back pocket in Kentucky (or Alabama, or whatever state actually has that law) going on. To prison with him!!11!1

[danieldaniel]

Cite where he said he would do that, please.

The first time BCB blackmailed Buyer was in a private message which is posted in post # 5.  It reads:

Please stop PMing me or you Vitals and the IP and MAC address of your iPAD will be posted to the scammer thread detailing your illegal money laundering operation.
(I would destroy that iPad if I were you.)

It is clearly blackmail AND libel. 

I'm not even going to bother responding to this thread anymore, because you clearly aren't reading my posts.

Although, do keep on dragging it along!  It's really entertaining!

[danieldaniel]

I don't think its blackmail when you are threatening to kill the guy @buyer

You are mistaken in the order of events.  Buyer sent information to BCB to enact a transaction that BCB offered to initiate.  Then BCB blackmailed buyer by threatening to expose his name and (presumably) his personal information to the internet including known criminal actors.  When it became clear that BCB was threatening blackmail which he sent to me thinking I am Buyer I started a thread to call out BCB's actions.

Later on when BCB threatened that he had pictures of Buyers kids and he futher threatened to publish Buyers identity Buyer apparently, and rightly, made clear that if BCB ever came near Buyer or Buyers family (which BCB was offering to share with known other criminals) at that point Buyer made his position known that he would kill BCB if BCB came anywhere near Buyer or Buyer's family.  I'm sure under state statute Buyer, who allegedly lives in Colorado, is protected in his direct statement that he would protect his family by killing BCB if BCB the known blackmailer or any of his "greasy little friends" ever came to harm the Buyer family.

That is the chain of events.  

Fucking really, man.  We've already figured out that Buyer is your sock puppet.  Can you *please* stop referring to him as a separate goddamn person?  This is why everyone finds you annoying.

What you said is everything buy a lie.  If you read what Salty said, what he did isn't EVEN BLACKMAIL, regardless of *when* you threatened to kill him.  You have been harassing him (i.e.: putting him into an awkward situation), and he threatened to take action if you didn't stop harassing him.  

In addition to this, you're *still* threatening him.

Also: To clarify, BCB never threatened to release ANY pictures.  In fact, he completely said he wouldn't.  He was just threatening to call DCF.

The regulators I report to do not take that lightly.

Laffo, you mean hopping on fincen.gov, filling out form 107 (which says "hey dudes and dudettes, I'm sending money for other people and this is where I claim to live"), sending it out aaaaaaaaaaaand done. Yup, heavy regulation going on there.

Huh, it's really that easy?  I'm going to try doing that.

Evidently, you haven't.  From what I've seen, you've been trolling/harassing BCB a lot, especially with your sockpuppets (before AND after this has happened).  I recommended you re-read the post I quoted.

I'm going to ignore the insult about my age, but I'm wondering who "they" are (edit for grammar) and what they're throwing at me... Everything I've said has been my own opinion, not "theirs".

[danieldaniel]

Didn't you just say you were 14?  

I guess I could go back through all the nonsense but you are, once again, wrong.  I didn't start anything with BCB.  BCB started by trolling a thread of mine.  Then BCB blackmailed Buyer.  I think it's time to out the stooge and so here I am.  Gonna add him to all my posts in one second as I edit my signature.  He can join inaba and TF in my hall of infamy.

Meh, you might have not meant it as an insult.

[threeip]

Blackmail is an act, often a crime, involving unjustified threats to make a gain or cause loss to another unless a demand is met.

involving unjustified threats to make a gain

unjustified threats

unjustified

If you are a money launderer Viceroy, then it's not an unjustified threat now is it?

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

Since Anon136 is not reading this I'll just report here for everyone else.

It was shortly after the Viceroy/buyer started seriously trolling DeathandTaxes/TangibleCryptology's thread that TangibleCryptology received a cease and desist order from the State of Virginia due to a complain letter.

I'm just saying...

Same thing happened to CoinLenders except we do not run an illegal operation, and received a polite email.

Requesting Viceroy==buyer's info.

[SaltySpitoon]

Salty this is exactly why this forum needs to be replaced.  You just accused me of doing something that I have never done.  Why should I need to defend myself to a pompous asshole mod who puts his misguided beliefs about other ahead of logic and reason? I haven't threatened anyone or any site except my posts in these forums where I call out scammers (unlike the lazy mods) and I defend the little guy.

There was another crime committed today in this forum.  It involved blackmail.  That may mean nothing to you but where I live that is some serious shit.  

Put the fact that I'm a mod aside, I'm only a mod on the Alt Currencies section, I have no pull here, so I'm speaking strictly as a peer

I won't get into a fight with you, because it would be drawn out and futile, not to mention, it wouldn't look the best on my part, arguing with a guy that people have already drawn their own opinions on. What bothers me, and what I believe is drawing me back into this thread is the complete lack of rationality. My first post was to state my opinion, second was to look out for your interest, because you and buyer are now pissing a lot of people off (I will assume you are two different people for the sake of not knowing for a fact) and now, because you are looking for a fight. Ok, you opened the thread saying BCB was blackmailing you. Alright, you post your proof, people have their own opinions. Whatever. BCB then publicly says, stop with this nonsense, and it will be over if you close the thread. All you have to do is stop posting in his threads, this doesn't need to escalate, but you refuse even though it is an entirely rational compromise. In the pms you posted, in BCB's initial "blackmail" he says stop trolling my threads, stop pming me OR I WILL.... That leaves me with the impression that you provoked him to "threaten you." So in conclusion, you are a confrontational person and are just looking for a fight for the sake of looking for a fight. You are playing the victim here, when in fact, you did provoke him (why else would he lead his "threat" with stop trolling my threads and stop pming me, if you had not done so) and if you were not a confrontational person, you would have ended the thread pages ago when BCB explicitly stated,
 

Look Sean, lock it up and it all goes away.

The last and final hint is this

I haven't threatened anyone or any site except my posts in these forums where I call out scammers (unlike the lazy mods) and I defend the little guy.

There was another crime committed today in this forum.  It involved blackmail.  That may mean nothing to you but where I live that is some serious shit.  

You have changed the point of the thread from, BCB is a bad guy who is extorting me, to I'm the protector of the innocent, and I am righteous because I'm looking out for others. If BCB had scammed you, you would have brought that up first and foremost. What you are doing now is trying to convince yourself that you are not just trying to pick a fight, you are protecting others from this bad bad man who is "blackmailing" you, because you are annoying him. When you say, "It involved blackmail.  That may mean nothing to you but where I live that is some serious shit." If it was really that serious to you or if you were worried in the least bit, you would have worked out a deal with BCB to end the entire situation, rather than further provoking him to post what ever info he has.

And just for a final note in a more calm tone, I completely assure you I'm not ganging up on you because you are you. I'm posting because this single thread is irritating me, I honestly have no different impression of you personally because you made one stupid thread, I just hope you will read through the entire thing once again, and take BCB up on his offer to settle your differences, even if that just means avoiding each other.

edit* Sorry I forgot to mention, I too am a confrontational person, so the behavior is incredibly obvious to me, what you are doing is something that I would do if I was pissed off, and didn't take a minute to stop typing and preview my posts in order to neutralize them a bit

[threeip]

I'm not a money launder.  Do you have some evidence to back up your completely unfounded and baseless accusation?  And I am not the one the accused tried to blackmail.

I'm basing it on two facts;
a) BCB is right and
b) Viceroy==buyer

I suspected that you and your gang of money launderers

You might want to look up 'libel' also.

Edit: Assisted suicide is legal in my state - holla if you need some help!

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

Well that's funny that you finally showed up.  I called you out on, I think, page two? of this epic thread.  I suspected that you and your gang of money launderers may have paid BCB to try to socially engineer this scam.  It's not really a surprise that your illegal bank would receive an inquiry, since it's illegal.  But I never said anything to anyone except in these forums.  I think I posted the webpage for the state of Georgia in the section, didn't I?  Is that who came to shut you down?  LOL, you are an idiot.

What are you threatening to do here, stupid, you gonna take "Sean's" info and go do something about what you think the truth it?  YOu are goign to come here, after being identified by some government agent, and make a threat against me?  For making a post for the world to see where a bunch of lawyers told you "YEA YOU ARE PROBABLY BREAKING THE LAW".  You go right on and try to social engineer my info from BCB... I saw you coming like a loaded gun.  Which I hold right here in my lap awaiting some dumbass to dare me to stand my ground.

You are a complete and utter fucktard, TF.  Do you think I gave MY actual info to BCB for you to see?  I just feel bad for Sean, but he's got a big gun too so he'll be ready when you come to his house.  God you are stupid.  Now I have evidence of two crimes and the groundwork to send to... who is inquiring about you TF, was it Georgia?  I need to contact them and let them know what you are wanting to do here.  Offering to acquire my contact info.  For what purpose, Tradefortress?  For what purpose would you want *my* contact info?

Man you are the dumbest of the bunch, TF.  You better stop whatever the regulators told you to stop and you had better get a lawyer right now.  And you had better point him to this post so he can defend you to the best of his ability.  You are going to need a top lawyer you stupid stupid person.

LOL. Quoting.

[danieldaniel]

Same thing happened to CoinLenders except we do not run an illegal operation, and received a polite email.

Requesting Viceroy==buyer's info.

Well that's funny that you finally showed up.  I called you out on, I think, page two? of this epic thread.  I suspected that you and your gang of money launderers may have paid BCB to try to socially engineer this scam.  It's not really a surprise that your illegal bank would receive an inquiry, since it's illegal.  But I never said anything to anyone except in these forums.  I think I posted the webpage for the state of Georgia in the section, didn't I?  Is that who came to shut you down?  LOL, you are an idiot.

What are you threatening to do here, stupid, you gonna take "Sean's" info and go do something about what you think the truth is?  YOu are goign to come here, after being identified by some government agent, and make a threat against me?  For making a post for the world to see where a bunch of lawyers told you "YEA YOU ARE PROBABLY BREAKING THE LAW".  You go right on and try to social engineer my info from BCB... I saw you coming like a loaded gun.  Which I hold right here in my lap awaiting some dumbass to dare me to stand my ground.

You are a complete and utter fucktard, TF.  Do you think I gave MY actual info to BCB for you to see?  I just feel bad for Sean, but he's got a big gun too so he'll be ready when you come to his house.  God you are stupid.  Now I have evidence of two crimes and the groundwork to send to... who is inquiring about you TF, was it Georgia?  I need to contact them and let them know what you are wanting to do here.  Offering to acquire my contact info.  For what purpose, Tradefortress?  For what purpose would you want *my* contact info?

Man you are the dumbest of the bunch, TF.  You better stop whatever the regulators told you to stop and you had better get a lawyer right now.  And you had better point him to this post so he can defend you to the best of his ability.  You are going to need a top lawyer you stupid stupid person.



 

Dude... What the fuck is wrong with you?  Seriously... I think you need to see a therapist or something.

[danieldaniel]

I'm not a money launder.  Do you have some evidence to back up your completely unfounded and baseless accusation?  And I am not the one the accused tried to blackmail.

I'm basing it on two facts;
a) BCB is right and
b) Viceroy==buyer

I suspected that you and your gang of money launderers

You might want to look up 'libel' also.

Edit: Assisted suicide is legal in my state - holla if you need some help!

LOL.

Also, second to the libel link.

[Loozik]

I think this Viceroy guy is an extreme case of masochism. Nobody likes him, yet he keeps on posting. The more of his wisdom he posts the more people dislike him. That's where he derives his pleasures.

He is sick and should look for a mental health help.