Prohibiting newbies from starting a topic

[InvoKing]

Hey, newbies spamming and shit-posting problem getting worse everyday. Some users suggested to bring back the noob jail, others decided to only visiting some subs (or left?).
The question is clear and i will not vote but what i suggest is to prohibit the newbies from posting except for copper member newbies (small fine/contribution or wait a month!).

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[The Sceptical Chymist]

Yes, absolutely they should be prohibited from starting new topics.

Those noob topics are all generic questions that have been answered over and over, and the only reason they do this is to create an easy-to-answer question that shitposters already have a ready-made answer for.  Then all the alt accounts start up the shitposting parade, and if left unchecked for a month it becomes a spam megathread.  Sound familiar?

I don't see a downside to bringing back the noob jail, or at least imposing some kind of restrictions.  It can only help matters.  This forum has gotten to the point that nobody reads anything, and nothing is worth reading.  Posts are almost entirely written by 3rd world scunters who have no grasp of the English language--and they should only be posting on the local boards.  Hopefully someone with the power to do something about it will see this little cry-for-help thread and act on it.

[dillpicklechips]

others decided to only visiting some subs.

This is me. I just seldom visit Bitcoin Discussion, Econimics, Politics & Society and some subsections of Altcoin. A lot of spams happening in those boards.

The question is clear and i will not vote but what i suggest is to prohibit the newbies from posting except for copper member newbies (small fine/contribution or wait a month!).

I think I would say that Newbies are limited to post only in the allowed boards for them (Meta and Beginners & Help). But I'm pretty sure that this will not stop spamming especially in Newbies since they will just search for similar topics and do necropost there, ruin other threads (since they can't create their own) or just spam to other dozens of generic threads out there

[Foxpup]

No. What would it solve? They'd just spam in existing topics, which is even worse.

[Jet Cash]

No. What would it solve? They'd just spam in existing topics, which is even worse.

They already do that, unless the topic is intereting, and then it is left to die because they don't understand it.

Maybe sig programmes should have an entrance exam.

[phreakk]

Hey, newbies spamming and shit-posting problem getting worse everyday. Some users suggested to bring back the noob jail, others decided to only visiting some subs (or left?).
The question is clear and i will not vote but what i suggest is to prohibit the newbies from posting except for copper member newbies (small fine/contribution or wait a month!).

I agree... Sort of... I feel like some noobs (like me back then) were capable of discussing topics & occasionally starting new topics, all without spamming!
I feel like it wouldn't be fair to all those noobs that have good intentions. Though a solution is necessary and this is probably the best one.

Besides, we have to start banning the Jr. Member+ spammers, so we discourage spamming.

[Welsh]

I don't think the newbies are the biggest problem currently. It's the masses of "seasoned" accounts spamming to get paid through their signature campaigns. I've already contacted a few of the signature managers highlighting a few members. Newbies are going to ask questions which have been asked before just like any other forum. If we prevent them from creating their own threads, like Foxpup said they would just ask it in an existing thread which could lead to topics becoming congested (if they aren't already) and off topic.

Regarding newbie jail, and the arguments to reopen it, I'm going to quote SaltySpitoon:

Ehh, I was a moderator luckily only for a few months with the whitelist system, and it was not fun. I remember going through newbie jail, I dont think it had a post requirement at the time, I just left Bitcointalk open for 4 hours and just went and did something else. I also delayed signing up for a few months, using a friends account because I didn't feel like going through newbie jail. People don't seem to realize that getting rid of newbie jail doesn't really change much, it just delays spammers/bots by 4 hours, so essentially after 4 hours of changing the newbie jail system, things would go back to normal. Anyway, report bots/spammers/account farmers if you see them. There are a few staff members who are really good at purging large numbers of spammers at once. Report one, and 20 will go away quickly.

[dontknowwhy]

it's a difficult option but to be honest i've seen plenty of experienced users posting spam also so works both ways.

[phreakk]

No. What would it solve? They'd just spam in existing topics, which is even worse.

They already do that, unless the topic is intereting, and then it is left to die because they don't understand it.

Maybe sig programmes should have an entrance exam.

Not an entrance exam. A payout exam.
Let them all in and at payout time temp-ban the spammers & put them on SMAS.

I feel like this would work much better. Discouraging noobs to spam in Signature Campaigns once they've been accepted.

[InvoKing]

it's a difficult option but to be honest i've seen plenty of experienced users posting spam also so works both ways.

Yeah there is a high ranked members that spam the forums but once they get tagged in the smas list, their chances to join signatures will be low. In addition, losing a valuable account once banned isn't a good thing

[gigatux]

I don't think that's quiet fair to the newbies. they are newbies anyway they might not know about the spamming rules and besides I also see other legendary or higher rank members that are also spammimg to reach the quota of their signature campaign. they are newbies and I think that they should have this own forum where they can ask or create a topic and we, the older or higher rank members, should response and answer them politely.This is their freewil to express their selves and we have no right to judge people (I saw comments about noobs and many inaappropriate words that are used against the newbies).Again, Human discrimimation is a big NO we should learn how to be equal but I'm not saying that we can let them be rude to us, I'm not saying that, but what I'm saying is we should learn how to respect each other's differences and should also accept that there are always someone who is better and worse than us.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I don’t mind them posting new topics in Meta, Beginners section, Technical support etc but not in the main section & speculation section.

[fileo]

Hello everyone. Allow me to share my ideas regarding our rank as newbie.
Maybe Everyone make a mistakes. As newbie normally we are so excited and eager to join in what we would like to without reading the rules. No ideas of what is first to learn in this matter. We are from different places. We have our own languages. Sometimes we do not have an enough idea regarding cryptocurrencies specially the newbie. Some newbies do their very best to understand speak/write English word. Newbies need to avoid spamming. I salute to all of you. You are our inspiration that one day we will be like you.
Thank you

[genocide]

Hello everyone. Allow me to share my ideas regarding our rank as newbie.
Maybe Everyone make a mistakes. As newbie normally we are so excited and eager to join in what we would like to without reading the rules. No ideas of what is first to learn in this matter. We are from different places. We have our own languages. Sometimes we do not have an enough idea regarding cryptocurrencies specially the newbie. Some newbies do their very best to understand speak/write English word. Newbies need to avoid spamming. I salute to all of you. You are our inspiration that one day we will be like you.
Thank you

How about newbies having a maximum post limit? Would it be possible? Let's say around 14 posts every two weeks. This way they will be more careful in making their posts because it will be easier to identify if they are just spamming, while still having the opportunity to improve their activities and ranks. Also, I agree that they should not be allowed to post in all sections but only in the Beginners & Help section and in their respective local boards to ask for help. It's their right to post and ask questions in those boards, but the limit in posting will probably make them use the SEARCH button and READ. They'll have a lot of time to learn whatever they want or need to learn in this forum. This is just my idea though.

[j.kelvin]

Hello everyone. Allow me to share my ideas regarding our rank as newbie.
Maybe Everyone make a mistakes. As newbie normally we are so excited and eager to join in what we would like to without reading the rules. No ideas of what is first to learn in this matter. We are from different places. We have our own languages. Sometimes we do not have an enough idea regarding cryptocurrencies specially the newbie. Some newbies do their very best to understand speak/write English word. Newbies need to avoid spamming. I salute to all of you. You are our inspiration that one day we will be like you.
Thank you

Hi, Newbie here. First I would like to ask how do I vote? Really. Thanks for those who understand newbies. To be honest, I'm a bit hype and excited to learn. To much information and threads to read. I do agree that spammers should be Identified and spamming be reduced, How ever l, do believe that the admin and moderators already did something to minimize spamming like increasing the waiting time between forum posts. Also some moderators are deleting posts that are irrelevant or with no value. There are a lot of forum threads that serves as guide to us Newbies but we also want to be heard and some times directly ask questions as well. I have read a post on whats not to post but have not read any thread on what is acceptable post in forums? Does personal opinion count?

We are new and I know you were in our shoes once. Hope you can have more patience with us newbies. Thanks.

[Vannie12]

I have been there and have done that. I am from a third world country, discovering new things. Mostly technologies. I remember when I think a mod messaged me that one of my posts will be deleted and another said that I must be careful in making topics.
The great problem was we are too busy advertising cryptocurrencies, the forum itself was not ready for theassive adaptation.
Now that many are interested, we seem to judge them to eliminate them quickly in which they are just starting to learn. ( problem in the forum IMO)

When it comes to the new users, I think they are just attracted because of Signature Campaigns. So they want to rank up and apply.

Suggestions.
Not being too harsh to newbies.
I agree in the process of deleting unacceptable threads but very time consuming cleaning up. And determining farm accounts.
Maybe I would agree to the limit of posts per 2weeks for newbies.


I think efforts should also come from the newbies themselves. Like they should read more first before taking a step up.
To those who are inviting there friends, please invite them with a purpose of evolving tech not for monetary reasons. Including those who makes farm accounts.

[FedAsker]

I don't think demonizing newbies will solve everything. There are lot's of higher rank members that don't think anything before posting, just repeating some general facts that nobody asked for.

Yes, I wanted to post somewhere to complain, (not that it will solve anything), I got two messages removed. I got private messages about it stating "don't do this again" Ok, I'll try not to but I don't know
-From which topic were those posts? Is that whole topic removed or just my posts? If just my posts, I could revisit that topic and see what went wrong
-What actually was wrong? Yes, there was only couple of sentences in them and thus not the most important posts of the world but I find no intelligence in posting 5 or more sentences that has been already said.

[veleten]

the main idea of the forum is not to herd the experienced users together and leave the rest outside,we all have been newbies at some point
we all made mistakes(well,the majority of us :\  ) and to restrict the newbies even further will not help
with the increased price and adoption,expect many more people to come here
and statistically,there are at least 5% of inadequate people and 16.97% of spammers so every fifth post is a shitpost anyhow,newbie or not  

[tkamal]

It is not require to prohibiting newbies from starting a topic. See newbies are not having idea about bitcoin and it is very complicated to read all replies to understand so we have to give chance to ask the doubt specifically which he want to understand.

[HeroC]

Nah, often times the reason people join is to ask a question. If they are blocked from asking their question the moment they join it will be much more difficult to integrate them into the community