Prohibiting newbies from starting a topic

[InvoKing]

Hey, newbies spamming and shit-posting problem getting worse everyday. Some users suggested to bring back the noob jail, others decided to only visiting some subs (or left?).
The question is clear and i will not vote but what i suggest is to prohibit the newbies from posting except for copper member newbies (small fine/contribution or wait a month!).

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[The Sceptical Chymist]

Yes, absolutely they should be prohibited from starting new topics.

Those noob topics are all generic questions that have been answered over and over, and the only reason they do this is to create an easy-to-answer question that shitposters already have a ready-made answer for.  Then all the alt accounts start up the shitposting parade, and if left unchecked for a month it becomes a spam megathread.  Sound familiar?

I don't see a downside to bringing back the noob jail, or at least imposing some kind of restrictions.  It can only help matters.  This forum has gotten to the point that nobody reads anything, and nothing is worth reading.  Posts are almost entirely written by 3rd world scunters who have no grasp of the English language--and they should only be posting on the local boards.  Hopefully someone with the power to do something about it will see this little cry-for-help thread and act on it.

[dillpicklechips]

others decided to only visiting some subs.

This is me. I just seldom visit Bitcoin Discussion, Econimics, Politics & Society and some subsections of Altcoin. A lot of spams happening in those boards.

The question is clear and i will not vote but what i suggest is to prohibit the newbies from posting except for copper member newbies (small fine/contribution or wait a month!).

I think I would say that Newbies are limited to post only in the allowed boards for them (Meta and Beginners & Help). But I'm pretty sure that this will not stop spamming especially in Newbies since they will just search for similar topics and do necropost there, ruin other threads (since they can't create their own) or just spam to other dozens of generic threads out there

[Foxpup]

No. What would it solve? They'd just spam in existing topics, which is even worse.

[Jet Cash]

No. What would it solve? They'd just spam in existing topics, which is even worse.

They already do that, unless the topic is intereting, and then it is left to die because they don't understand it.

Maybe sig programmes should have an entrance exam.

[phreakk]

Hey, newbies spamming and shit-posting problem getting worse everyday. Some users suggested to bring back the noob jail, others decided to only visiting some subs (or left?).
The question is clear and i will not vote but what i suggest is to prohibit the newbies from posting except for copper member newbies (small fine/contribution or wait a month!).

I agree... Sort of... I feel like some noobs (like me back then) were capable of discussing topics & occasionally starting new topics, all without spamming!
I feel like it wouldn't be fair to all those noobs that have good intentions. Though a solution is necessary and this is probably the best one.

Besides, we have to start banning the Jr. Member+ spammers, so we discourage spamming.

[Welsh]

I don't think the newbies are the biggest problem currently. It's the masses of "seasoned" accounts spamming to get paid through their signature campaigns. I've already contacted a few of the signature managers highlighting a few members. Newbies are going to ask questions which have been asked before just like any other forum. If we prevent them from creating their own threads, like Foxpup said they would just ask it in an existing thread which could lead to topics becoming congested (if they aren't already) and off topic.

Regarding newbie jail, and the arguments to reopen it, I'm going to quote SaltySpitoon:

Ehh, I was a moderator luckily only for a few months with the whitelist system, and it was not fun. I remember going through newbie jail, I dont think it had a post requirement at the time, I just left Bitcointalk open for 4 hours and just went and did something else. I also delayed signing up for a few months, using a friends account because I didn't feel like going through newbie jail. People don't seem to realize that getting rid of newbie jail doesn't really change much, it just delays spammers/bots by 4 hours, so essentially after 4 hours of changing the newbie jail system, things would go back to normal. Anyway, report bots/spammers/account farmers if you see them. There are a few staff members who are really good at purging large numbers of spammers at once. Report one, and 20 will go away quickly.

[dontknowwhy]

it's a difficult option but to be honest i've seen plenty of experienced users posting spam also so works both ways.

[phreakk]

No. What would it solve? They'd just spam in existing topics, which is even worse.

They already do that, unless the topic is intereting, and then it is left to die because they don't understand it.

Maybe sig programmes should have an entrance exam.

Not an entrance exam. A payout exam.
Let them all in and at payout time temp-ban the spammers & put them on SMAS.

I feel like this would work much better. Discouraging noobs to spam in Signature Campaigns once they've been accepted.

[InvoKing]

it's a difficult option but to be honest i've seen plenty of experienced users posting spam also so works both ways.

Yeah there is a high ranked members that spam the forums but once they get tagged in the smas list, their chances to join signatures will be low. In addition, losing a valuable account once banned isn't a good thing

[gigatux]

I don't think that's quiet fair to the newbies. they are newbies anyway they might not know about the spamming rules and besides I also see other legendary or higher rank members that are also spammimg to reach the quota of their signature campaign. they are newbies and I think that they should have this own forum where they can ask or create a topic and we, the older or higher rank members, should response and answer them politely.This is their freewil to express their selves and we have no right to judge people (I saw comments about noobs and many inaappropriate words that are used against the newbies).Again, Human discrimimation is a big NO we should learn how to be equal but I'm not saying that we can let them be rude to us, I'm not saying that, but what I'm saying is we should learn how to respect each other's differences and should also accept that there are always someone who is better and worse than us.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I don’t mind them posting new topics in Meta, Beginners section, Technical support etc but not in the main section & speculation section.

[fileo]

Hello everyone. Allow me to share my ideas regarding our rank as newbie.
Maybe Everyone make a mistakes. As newbie normally we are so excited and eager to join in what we would like to without reading the rules. No ideas of what is first to learn in this matter. We are from different places. We have our own languages. Sometimes we do not have an enough idea regarding cryptocurrencies specially the newbie. Some newbies do their very best to understand speak/write English word. Newbies need to avoid spamming. I salute to all of you. You are our inspiration that one day we will be like you.
Thank you

[genocide]

Hello everyone. Allow me to share my ideas regarding our rank as newbie.
Maybe Everyone make a mistakes. As newbie normally we are so excited and eager to join in what we would like to without reading the rules. No ideas of what is first to learn in this matter. We are from different places. We have our own languages. Sometimes we do not have an enough idea regarding cryptocurrencies specially the newbie. Some newbies do their very best to understand speak/write English word. Newbies need to avoid spamming. I salute to all of you. You are our inspiration that one day we will be like you.
Thank you

How about newbies having a maximum post limit? Would it be possible? Let's say around 14 posts every two weeks. This way they will be more careful in making their posts because it will be easier to identify if they are just spamming, while still having the opportunity to improve their activities and ranks. Also, I agree that they should not be allowed to post in all sections but only in the Beginners & Help section and in their respective local boards to ask for help. It's their right to post and ask questions in those boards, but the limit in posting will probably make them use the SEARCH button and READ. They'll have a lot of time to learn whatever they want or need to learn in this forum. This is just my idea though.

[j.kelvin]

Hello everyone. Allow me to share my ideas regarding our rank as newbie.
Maybe Everyone make a mistakes. As newbie normally we are so excited and eager to join in what we would like to without reading the rules. No ideas of what is first to learn in this matter. We are from different places. We have our own languages. Sometimes we do not have an enough idea regarding cryptocurrencies specially the newbie. Some newbies do their very best to understand speak/write English word. Newbies need to avoid spamming. I salute to all of you. You are our inspiration that one day we will be like you.
Thank you

Hi, Newbie here. First I would like to ask how do I vote? Really. Thanks for those who understand newbies. To be honest, I'm a bit hype and excited to learn. To much information and threads to read. I do agree that spammers should be Identified and spamming be reduced, How ever l, do believe that the admin and moderators already did something to minimize spamming like increasing the waiting time between forum posts. Also some moderators are deleting posts that are irrelevant or with no value. There are a lot of forum threads that serves as guide to us Newbies but we also want to be heard and some times directly ask questions as well. I have read a post on whats not to post but have not read any thread on what is acceptable post in forums? Does personal opinion count?

We are new and I know you were in our shoes once. Hope you can have more patience with us newbies. Thanks.

[Vannie12]

I have been there and have done that. I am from a third world country, discovering new things. Mostly technologies. I remember when I think a mod messaged me that one of my posts will be deleted and another said that I must be careful in making topics.
The great problem was we are too busy advertising cryptocurrencies, the forum itself was not ready for theassive adaptation.
Now that many are interested, we seem to judge them to eliminate them quickly in which they are just starting to learn. ( problem in the forum IMO)

When it comes to the new users, I think they are just attracted because of Signature Campaigns. So they want to rank up and apply.

Suggestions.
Not being too harsh to newbies.
I agree in the process of deleting unacceptable threads but very time consuming cleaning up. And determining farm accounts.
Maybe I would agree to the limit of posts per 2weeks for newbies.


I think efforts should also come from the newbies themselves. Like they should read more first before taking a step up.
To those who are inviting there friends, please invite them with a purpose of evolving tech not for monetary reasons. Including those who makes farm accounts.

[FedAsker]

I don't think demonizing newbies will solve everything. There are lot's of higher rank members that don't think anything before posting, just repeating some general facts that nobody asked for.

Yes, I wanted to post somewhere to complain, (not that it will solve anything), I got two messages removed. I got private messages about it stating "don't do this again" Ok, I'll try not to but I don't know
-From which topic were those posts? Is that whole topic removed or just my posts? If just my posts, I could revisit that topic and see what went wrong
-What actually was wrong? Yes, there was only couple of sentences in them and thus not the most important posts of the world but I find no intelligence in posting 5 or more sentences that has been already said.

[veleten]

the main idea of the forum is not to herd the experienced users together and leave the rest outside,we all have been newbies at some point
we all made mistakes(well,the majority of us :\  ) and to restrict the newbies even further will not help
with the increased price and adoption,expect many more people to come here
and statistically,there are at least 5% of inadequate people and 16.97% of spammers so every fifth post is a shitpost anyhow,newbie or not  

[tkamal]

It is not require to prohibiting newbies from starting a topic. See newbies are not having idea about bitcoin and it is very complicated to read all replies to understand so we have to give chance to ask the doubt specifically which he want to understand.

[HeroC]

Nah, often times the reason people join is to ask a question. If they are blocked from asking their question the moment they join it will be much more difficult to integrate them into the community

[subSTRATA]

the main idea of the forum is not to herd the experienced users together and leave the rest outside,we all have been newbies at some point
we all made mistakes(well,the majority of us :\  ) and to restrict the newbies even further will not help
with the increased price and adoption,expect many more people to come here
and statistically,there are at least 5% of inadequate people and 16.97% of spammers so every fifth post is a shitpost anyhow,newbie or not  

pretty sure a good portion of the shitposts (outside of the altcoin section, i cant speak for it) come from bought / farmed accounts for the purposes of sig campaigns. fud and altcoin pumping aside, these accounts are the ones with more of a reason to spam (money). not sure how they all manage to post so much, even 30 good posts in a week i feel is a lot.

Nah, often times the reason people join is to ask a question. If they are blocked from asking their question the moment they join it will be much more difficult to integrate them into the community

havent really thought about it that way, but i have noticed it quite a lot. thanks for pointing that out, simple as it may have been.

[knightmairesaint]

Nah, often times the reason people join is to ask a question. If they are blocked from asking their question the moment they join it will be much more difficult to integrate them into the community

havent really thought about it that way, but i have noticed it quite a lot. thanks for pointing that out, simple as it may have been.

I guess it was the way of the moderators to limit newbies from asking shallow questions. What I mean is that there are things about bitcoin that they can learn by themselves already by searching on the internet. Another thing is that it will oblige them to roam around the forum because there are basic questions that have been answered before. I am once a newbie and before I registered, I roam around the forum first out of curiosity.

[InvoKing]

Nah, often times the reason people join is to ask a question. If they are blocked from asking their question the moment they join it will be much more difficult to integrate them into the community

havent really thought about it that way, but i have noticed it quite a lot. thanks for pointing that out, simple as it may have been.

I guess it was the way of the moderators to limit newbies from asking shallow questions. What I mean is that there are things about bitcoin that they can learn by themselves already by searching on the internet. Another thing is that it will oblige them to roam around the forum because there are basic questions that have been answered before. I am once a newbie and before I registered, I roam around the forum first out of curiosity.

Good points.

@few replies : I didn't mean to prohibit newbies from posting in topics.
I just asked to prohibit them from starting topics which are mostly spammy/scammy ones. Maybe I should specify that they could always open a topic in beginners and help section or even in meta (+ their respective languages).
Other boards could be accessible too after the mod of the selected sub approves the topics, maybe? Like that useless and spammy posts could be rejected and we can reduce the spam.

[ritsel02]

It's not new that most of the threads on some sections are just the same questions frequently asked by newbies.But not everyone are doing the same way as they did, some might be newbie in the forum but with enough experiences on crypto.We been once a newbie too, maybe all they need are guidance and warnings once they committed mistakes because we have joined here without orientations.
Higher ranks are lucky enough to almost learned everything here and it's the best time to share your knowledge to newbies.
It's hard to deprive their right in posting new topics.But to solve this problem, I go for yes except for copper members.

[silverleew1]

Hey, newbies spamming and shit-posting problem getting worse everyday. Some users suggested to bring back the noob jail, others decided to only visiting some subs (or left?).
The question is clear and i will not vote but what i suggest is to prohibit the newbies from posting except for copper member newbies (small fine/contribution or wait a month!).

Noob jail isn't solution on spammers or shitposters..
The main problem of the forum right now is not enough mods or report that help mods itself taking care all the shitposters or spammers..
They must look at the post.. read the thread first if its out of topic case.. and etc..
Not all newbie is genuine newbie about forum.
Here's my suggestion feel free to check it out.

How about the Rank system changed..
Change all Newbie rank can't post at all, only can read posts/threads and report junkers (Confirmed by mods first and how many she/he can reports are limited for each day) on the forum to earn points so he/she can post (set the limit he/she must reach first so she/he can earn 1 post) something to ask or posting some good posts to gain activity(ranked up). You can put some points or karma or something for it. And as reported post you can give the penalty like cutting their 5-10 activity or demoting their ranks or bans..
Example: Newbie can only read some section and only can report (with limited reports for each day) with certain range of time and gain 1 point if it get confirmed by mods.
And a reported post going to get some mark on it, that the post has been reported by who(maybe only the user that make the report can see it and let other only see it as has been reported) and awaiting for mods confirmation.
As the point newbie need to post is around 3 or 5.. And how much activity he/she needed to ranks up is all yours to recalculated it .
Once he/she ranked up(Suggesting new rank called matured), there is no need for him/her to do that again.
And when the posts start getting good and junkers reduced.. Then you can start using some giveaway ranks up or some certain ranks can give 3 or 5 "In guidance" badge to the newbie so they can matured right away and those ranks that giving it will take responsible for it too.
The logic of this idea is now all "Newbie" need to help mods clean up the forum first by reading the forum threads than start posting an already answered questions around and all the ID farmer going to stop their doing (Spams or post junks) because of it. (He/she gonna need to report 3-5 post of his/her spammers comrade to earn one post or activity.) And when we giving them -5 or 10 activity each report.. Then they will start posting good posts and afraid of the newbies that wanted to ranks up.

The cons of this idea is:
- Newbie will feel having hard time on this forum at first round.
- Too much work for admin and mods at the first round..
- Some of ranked members will screaming like crazy old hags.
- Some High Ranked members will REFUSE this idea (LOL).
- (Open suggestion what another cons of it)


The pros of this idea is:
- All the member of the forum is matured(already know the rules and spend some time to read first than posting right away) members.
- All the high ranked is really a good quality post's members.
- All the high ranked ID will skyrockets and all scammer will think twice now as the price of high ranked ID is skyrockets.
- Some High ranked will be happy with this idea (BTC_BTC)
- (Open suggestion what another pros of it)


Might happened:
- Lower the forum traffic..
- New member feel not worth it.
- Real Investor/inventor see this forum as an official Bitcoin forum talks.
- It's temporary solution, can be changed again.
- (Open suggestion for what might happened)

[yrreg ger]

Nah, often times the reason people join is to ask a question. If they are blocked from asking their question the moment they join it will be much more difficult to integrate them into the community

havent really thought about it that way, but i have noticed it quite a lot. thanks for pointing that out, simple as it may have been.

I guess it was the way of the moderators to limit newbies from asking shallow questions. What I mean is that there are things about bitcoin that they can learn by themselves already by searching on the internet. Another thing is that it will oblige them to roam around the forum because there are basic questions that have been answered before. I am once a newbie and before I registered, I roam around the forum first out of curiosity.

I have also wandered around this forum and choose to concentrate reading in the Beginners and Help Section. It was really helpful because the pinned posts there will give answers to basic questions and also give information about the forum and how to stay in this forum without getting red trust and worst, be banned. I recommend newbies to read first about bitcoin and read on that section to avoid asking basic questions and if you want to clarify something then it is time to ask.

[sgenuine]

Hey, newbies spamming and shit-posting problem getting worse everyday. Some users suggested to bring back the noob jail, others decided to only visiting some subs (or left?).
The question is clear and i will not vote but what i suggest is to prohibit the newbies from posting except for copper member newbies (small fine/contribution or wait a month!).

No, i do not see any reason why newbies must not start a new topic. This is a sign of discrimination. They also wish to be active and ask their questions.

[InvoKing]

Hey, newbies spamming and shit-posting problem getting worse everyday. Some users suggested to bring back the noob jail, others decided to only visiting some subs (or left?).
The question is clear and i will not vote but what i suggest is to prohibit the newbies from posting except for copper member newbies (small fine/contribution or wait a month!).

No, i do not see any reason why newbies must not start a new topic. This is a sign of discrimination. They also wish to be active and ask their questions.

Asking the same questions over and over is simply called spam. They can post in beginners and help section and use the search function to find the answers.
Take a look how many newbies asked about the activity / tanks while there is a sticky topic about it...

[Cyberczar]

A few months ago I was there, a newbie myself. What we have to understand is that different people have different motives of joining the forum. However, for most the reason is pecuniary.

I found this forum while researching about Bitcoin and how to earn it. Let me surprise you. This forum popped up on Google search on account sale. A member trying to sell either a Hero or Full member account (I don't remember which) in another forum, not even in Bitcointalk.

I was just curious there's a forum whose membership is valuable enough that accounts are being sold. When I came here, I started reading and there was a recurring theme - signature campaign.

The reason most people are here is not that they wanted to learn. They are here to earn money one way or the other; you wouldn't blame them, would you? I'm highlighting that because that is the root of spamming and low quality posting.

There have been good suggestions here already but not all are implementable. Some newbies are disciplined people who try to do things right.

The forum should adopt a stick and carrot approach. I believe that a Full member ought to have known the forum rules and people like that who add little value or spam should be sanctioned. Newbies should be warned with temporary ban if they put in effort at posting.

Older members should not just be aloof permitting the moderators to do the work of policing the forum alone.

Older members should routinely post guidance thread with our realisation that most people do not care about reading the stickies.

Signature campaign managers should help in pruning spammers. The mods are doing a great job. Just as some members such as Vod and Condoras and perhaps many others I've not taken note of, Pharmacist, etc.