Bitcoin vs. Gold Prices

[Whoducen]

Gold is far better than volatile btcs. The former is physical portfolio that assures investment benefits but not like thos virtual cryptoz

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[BobK71]

I'm pro-gold really, but I'm certainly not obsessed with it. It is a time-proven and well-tried asset for storing wealth even if its real value goes down somewhat over decades, primarily because there was no major economic wreck in the last 40 years (2008 doesn't count as a complete economic shutdown). But if there will be none in the future or it will be a little bit too hard for gold to keep up with, it is useless (apart from jewelry).

Also, could you explain in a few words why power is not the ultimate value as far as society is concerned?

There are multiple scenarios where gold is a good investment.  2008 saw gold at least double.

If you have power, it sounds good on the surface.  But you're in effect fighting against all those who held power in the past.  The incentives of the modern world system encourages the powerful to kick all cans down the road (especially in the monetary and financial realm.)  Most of your power will be spent countering the effects of the actions of your predecessors.

[rightway00372018]

The last time I did this analysis, gold was a thousand times more expensive than Bitcoin, if we compare the same proportions of total supply.  By now, Bitcoin has risen 30-fold, and so gold is only 30 times more expensive.

Of course, I was roundly dismissed for speculating Bitcoin could get anywhere near a six-figure price in dollars.  If I was criticized for being too bullish on Bitcoin, today I might be seen as too bullish on gold.

How to answer the question -- where to from here?  As I wrote recently, gold is objectively a better money for securing savers' freedom from governments and central banks.  So, if the long-term price ratio is 10 to 1 in favor of gold, Bitcoin can still go up 3 times.  It'd still be a great return by the standards of any asset, but Bitcoin is not quite as compelling as it used to be.

Especially, many early owners of Bitcoin, now flush with capital, who are also sympathetic to gold, might decide to sell some Bitcoin and buy gold at these prices.

We have to be careful here.  This entire analysis was based on the (pretty common) assumption that governments and central banks have nothing to do with gold and Bitcoin prices, and that the future of Bitcoin is to be another limited-supply monetary asset like gold, but at an appropriate relative price.  (The reality, at least with gold prices, is of course the opposite.)

So, the real question is what the Western elites want (and what China and Russia want, if they're able to counter the West in the field of monetary engineering.)  If Western debt levels and resulting economic/social/political problems are so bad that the elites have decided to use cryptocurrency to effect a reset of the entire system, to effectively wipe out their debt and start afresh, as just after World War II, then the sky is the limit for Bitcoin and cryptos.

If, on the other hand, the Western elites are only preparing for such a reset by taking advantage of cheap crypto prices so far, then we have to watch the relative price to gold.  The rise of Bitcoin, so far, is consistent with this scenario too.  From here on, our thinking might have to change.

For the answer to that question, watch the news closely for the signs!

Bitcoin and Gold are very expensive but still i believe gold is better than bitcoin because the price of gold is stable and it increases rapidly unlike bitcoin were the price is always fluctuating ups and down.

[rhenz01]

The last time I did this analysis, gold was a thousand times more expensive than Bitcoin, if we compare the same proportions of total supply.  By now, Bitcoin has risen 30-fold, and so gold is only 30 times more expensive.

Of course, I was roundly dismissed for speculating Bitcoin could get anywhere near a six-figure price in dollars.  If I was criticized for being too bullish on Bitcoin, today I might be seen as too bullish on gold.

How to answer the question -- where to from here?  As I wrote recently, gold is objectively a better money for securing savers' freedom from governments and central banks.  So, if the long-term price ratio is 10 to 1 in favor of gold, Bitcoin can still go up 3 times.  It'd still be a great return by the standards of any asset, but Bitcoin is not quite as compelling as it used to be.

Especially, many early owners of Bitcoin, now flush with capital, who are also sympathetic to gold, might decide to sell some Bitcoin and buy gold at these prices.

We have to be careful here.  This entire analysis was based on the (pretty common) assumption that governments and central banks have nothing to do with gold and Bitcoin prices, and that the future of Bitcoin is to be another limited-supply monetary asset like gold, but at an appropriate relative price.  (The reality, at least with gold prices, is of course the opposite.)

So, the real question is what the Western elites want (and what China and Russia want, if they're able to counter the West in the field of monetary engineering.)  If Western debt levels and resulting economic/social/political problems are so bad that the elites have decided to use cryptocurrency to effect a reset of the entire system, to effectively wipe out their debt and start afresh, as just after World War II, then the sky is the limit for Bitcoin and cryptos.

If, on the other hand, the Western elites are only preparing for such a reset by taking advantage of cheap crypto prices so far, then we have to watch the relative price to gold.  The rise of Bitcoin, so far, is consistent with this scenario too.  From here on, our thinking might have to change.

For the answer to that question, watch the news closely for the signs!

I still believe gold is better than bitcoin because bitcoin is always affected by price volatility unlike gold were the price is stable and it goes up always.

[BigBos]

Gold is far better than volatile btcs. The former is physical portfolio that assures investment benefits but not like thos virtual cryptoz

well, for 1 gr gold, I think the price is quite far from bitcoin. can be said that bitcoin price is much better for now. but we can not rule out gold, because gold is also the best investment that has existed since the first to the present.

[Hell-raiser]

I'm pro-gold really, but I'm certainly not obsessed with it. It is a time-proven and well-tried asset for storing wealth even if its real value goes down somewhat over decades, primarily because there was no major economic wreck in the last 40 years (2008 doesn't count as a complete economic shutdown). But if there will be none in the future or it will be a little bit too hard for gold to keep up with, it is useless (apart from jewelry).

Also, could you explain in a few words why power is not the ultimate value as far as society is concerned?

There are multiple scenarios where gold is a good investment.  2008 saw gold at least double.

This claim can be challenged. Just 2008 with its subprime mortgage crisis maelstrom hitting everywhere surprisingly didn't affect the value of gold much. It was the subsequent rounds of quantitative easings that actually doubled its value. But it was not real growth as this growth was primarily based on expectations and anticipation of future devaluation of the US dollar due to monetary policies of the Fed back in the day. But when the dollar devaluation didn't occur, the gold value quickly returned to its baseline levels. In a nutshell, it turned out an overall false expectation, and the only way you could earn money was through speculation, which meant selling gold at 2011 highs. Those who invested in gold for long term didn't get much (if we include dollar inflation into consideration).

If you have power, it sounds good on the surface.  But you're in effect fighting against all those who held power in the past.  The incentives of the modern world system encourages the powerful to kick all cans down the road (especially in the monetary and financial realm.)  Most of your power will be spent countering the effects of the actions of your predecessors.

And how does it take anything from what I said about power being the most valuable asset in society? Indeed, people will be fighting for it precisely because it has so much value. If it didn't, who would care?

[maydna]

The last time I did this analysis, gold was a thousand times more expensive than Bitcoin, if we compare the same proportions of total supply.  By now, Bitcoin has risen 30-fold, and so gold is only 30 times more expensive.

Of course, I was roundly dismissed for speculating Bitcoin could get anywhere near a six-figure price in dollars.  If I was criticized for being too bullish on Bitcoin, today I might be seen as too bullish on gold.

How to answer the question -- where to from here?  As I wrote recently, gold is objectively a better money for securing savers' freedom from governments and central banks.  So, if the long-term price ratio is 10 to 1 in favor of gold, Bitcoin can still go up 3 times.  It'd still be a great return by the standards of any asset, but Bitcoin is not quite as compelling as it used to be.

Especially, many early owners of Bitcoin, now flush with capital, who are also sympathetic to gold, might decide to sell some Bitcoin and buy gold at these prices.

We have to be careful here.  This entire analysis was based on the (pretty common) assumption that governments and central banks have nothing to do with gold and Bitcoin prices, and that the future of Bitcoin is to be another limited-supply monetary asset like gold, but at an appropriate relative price.  (The reality, at least with gold prices, is of course the opposite.)

So, the real question is what the Western elites want (and what China and Russia want, if they're able to counter the West in the field of monetary engineering.)  If Western debt levels and resulting economic/social/political problems are so bad that the elites have decided to use cryptocurrency to effect a reset of the entire system, to effectively wipe out their debt and start afresh, as just after World War II, then the sky is the limit for Bitcoin and cryptos.

If, on the other hand, the Western elites are only preparing for such a reset by taking advantage of cheap crypto prices so far, then we have to watch the relative price to gold.  The rise of Bitcoin, so far, is consistent with this scenario too.  From here on, our thinking might have to change.

For the answer to that question, watch the news closely for the signs!

I still believe gold is better than bitcoin because bitcoin is always affected by price volatility unlike gold were the price is stable and it goes up always.

it's because that gold has physical form and bitcoin is not and people really like to have gold than bitcoin but once bitcoin reaching more people and many countries accepting gold and gold can be like gold, then people will change their investment to bitcoin. there will be a time for bitcoin to be like gold and people in all the country accepting bitcoin so people don't have to be worry or afraid about something bad in out there. still, it is different between gold and bitcoin and we cannot compare both gold and bitcoin because it's different function too.

[Ulan01]

bitcoin is an investment medium in the future is increasingly in demand as its value grows faster and profitable, and slowly people start to leave gold as a place to invest, because the value of gold is more stable, making it less profitable.

[Craigjohnstone]

You may find this useful -

“According to a 2013 report from Thompson Reuters GFMS, it was believed that 171,300 tons of gold had either been mined or was still in the ground. Since there are 32,000 ounces per ton, we're talking about 5.482 billion ounces of gold in the entire world, based on this report. If each ounce was worth about $1,290, the world's gold supply would have an implied market cap of $7.07 trillion dollars. That's more than 100 times the market cap of bitcoin at its all-time high!

It's also worth pointing out that numerous reports exist on the world's total gold supply, and some suggest as much as 2.5 million tons may be present (that's over 14 times what Thompson Reuters has predicted). This would imply a $103 trillion market value for gold, or nearly 1,500 times that of bitcoin. Long story short, bitcoin still has a very long way to go to truly catch gold.“

We have a long way to go with btc vs gold prices, however if the crypto market has even 1% or 2% of the gold market we will be in an amazing place.

[markj113]

You may find this useful -

“According to a 2013 report from Thompson Reuters GFMS, it was believed that 171,300 tons of gold had either been mined or was still in the ground. Since there are 32,000 ounces per ton, we're talking about 5.482 billion ounces of gold in the entire world, based on this report. If each ounce was worth about $1,290, the world's gold supply would have an implied market cap of $7.07 trillion dollars. That's more than 100 times the market cap of bitcoin at its all-time high!

It's also worth pointing out that numerous reports exist on the world's total gold supply, and some suggest as much as 2.5 million tons may be present (that's over 14 times what Thompson Reuters has predicted). This would imply a $103 trillion market value for gold, or nearly 1,500 times that of bitcoin. Long story short, bitcoin still has a very long way to go to truly catch gold.“

We have a long way to go with btc vs gold prices, however if the crypto market has even 1% or 2% of the gold market we will be in an amazing place.

That's just physical supply, dont forget the paper market on top with comex also leveraged over 250:1 paper to physical gold.

Thats a lot of paper promises for every oz of physical they hold

[tommisetiyawan]

Gold is more stable in value than bitcoin, if you do not want to be dizzy, gold may be a savings for you in the future, but bitcoin has an advantage that will rise in price and down or unstable, I consider it an advantage because to gain profit, when the coin price fall, at that moment is your chance to earn profit. And bitcoin value does not take long enough to recover the price.

[MAJICOIN]

Now a days bitcoin price is again rising and it is very good because from start of this year bitcoin is not showing any good movement in the crypto market and many users have sole their bitcoin due to which the price badly  affected the privies are changing over time and now a days the gold price are also high in the world market and in our country both the bitcoin and gold prices are it's peak.

[budz0425]

Now a days bitcoin price is again rising and it is very good because from start of this year bitcoin is not showing any good movement in the crypto market and many users have sole their bitcoin due to which the price badly  affected the privies are changing over time and now a days the gold price are also high in the world market and in our country both the bitcoin and gold prices are it's peak.

For me, I've always wanting to buy bitcoin ever since and making sure to secure our future by having it for a long time, I love how gold stabilize in the market too, but if I were to choose I'll still choose and stick with bitcoin and invest my time and money with it rather than in gold.

[Carreuh]

Although bitcoin price is more expensive than gold but gold in paired with bitcoin to make long-term investment, but now people prefer to measure because most people do not know full bitcoin and also about the price of more stable gold, so people choose gold

[tylerderden]

The last time I did this analysis, gold was a thousand times more expensive than Bitcoin, if we compare the same proportions of total supply.  By now, Bitcoin has risen 30-fold, and so gold is only 30 times more expensive.

Of course, I was roundly dismissed for speculating Bitcoin could get anywhere near a six-figure price in dollars.  If I was criticized for being too bullish on Bitcoin, today I might be seen as too bullish on gold.

How to answer the question -- where to from here?  As I wrote recently, gold is objectively a better money for securing savers' freedom from governments and central banks.  So, if the long-term price ratio is 10 to 1 in favor of gold, Bitcoin can still go up 3 times.  It'd still be a great return by the standards of any asset, but Bitcoin is not quite as compelling as it used to be.

Especially, many early owners of Bitcoin, now flush with capital, who are also sympathetic to gold, might decide to sell some Bitcoin and buy gold at these prices.

We have to be careful here.  This entire analysis was based on the (pretty common) assumption that governments and central banks have nothing to do with gold and Bitcoin prices, and that the future of Bitcoin is to be another limited-supply monetary asset like gold, but at an appropriate relative price.  (The reality, at least with gold prices, is of course the opposite.)

So, the real question is what the Western elites want (and what China and Russia want, if they're able to counter the West in the field of monetary engineering.)  If Western debt levels and resulting economic/social/political problems are so bad that the elites have decided to use cryptocurrency to effect a reset of the entire system, to effectively wipe out their debt and start afresh, as just after World War II, then the sky is the limit for Bitcoin and cryptos.

If, on the other hand, the Western elites are only preparing for such a reset by taking advantage of cheap crypto prices so far, then we have to watch the relative price to gold.  The rise of Bitcoin, so far, is consistent with this scenario too.  From here on, our thinking might have to change.

For the answer to that question, watch the news closely for the signs!

It’s true that bitcoin has defeated gold in the terms of price but still I don’t think that bitcoin is better than gold and it will be able to replace gold in the future. This is because firstly, gold is way more popular than bitcoin all over the world. Gold has many more users than bitcoin who are ready to invest in gold.Gold has a physical entity and it is also a precious metal whereas bitcoin is just a digital form of currency. Most of the people trust gold where as there are only limited people who trust bitcoin.

[anzhanbei1214068]

Bitcoin, the blockchain based digital currency, is often thought to be a global haven asset like gold. In a time of global turmoil, even gold has become unreliable, and could be expropriated like India's. BTC can replace a lot of people have come to believe gold, because of the currency in addition to gold reserves of the ability and the ability of some gold did not, such as low fees, transfer capacity, rapid decentralized nature, etc.

[BobK71]

Just 2008 with its subprime mortgage crisis maelstrom hitting everywhere surprisingly didn't affect the value of gold much. It was the subsequent rounds of quantitative easings that actually doubled its value. But it was not real growth as this growth was primarily based on expectations and anticipation of future devaluation of the US dollar due to monetary policies of the Fed back in the day. But when the dollar devaluation didn't occur, the gold value quickly returned to its baseline levels. In a nutshell, it turned out an overall false expectation, and the only way you could earn money was through speculation, which meant selling gold at 2011 highs. Those who invested in gold for long term didn't get much (if we include dollar inflation into consideration).

Anyway you look at it, 2008 resulted in a de facto devaluation of the dollar against gold.

If you have power, it sounds good on the surface.  But you're in effect fighting against all those who held power in the past.  The incentives of the modern world system encourages the powerful to kick all cans down the road (especially in the monetary and financial realm.)  Most of your power will be spent countering the effects of the actions of your predecessors.

And how does it take anything from what I said about power being the most valuable asset in society? Indeed, people will be fighting for it precisely because it has so much value. If it didn't, who would care?

Since we were talking about financial assets, power doesn't really belong in the mix.  It's like saying your job is your most valuable asset.  It is, but so what?

Also, the price of acquiring power is vastly different from one person to the next.  To the vast majority, power is simply not accessible.  Financial assets are.

Power is not all it's cracked up to be, because it's constantly being weakened by kicking cans down the road, as I mentioned.  This 'depreciating value of power' is the reason why, until a great reset happens, the caliber of the people in power will keep getting worse.

All of this goes to saying, at a certain point, a great reset is bound to happen, since the incentives in the system mean that power will slowly eat itself alive.

[Atits]

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[maslovp]

Gold is far better than volatile btcs. The former is physical portfolio that assures investment benefits but not like thos virtual cryptoz

Yes, you should be content with 10-155 annual return with your gold while we make that much in a day. It is funny to see people still sticking to gold or other traditional investments.

[Hell-raiser]

Just 2008 with its subprime mortgage crisis maelstrom hitting everywhere surprisingly didn't affect the value of gold much. It was the subsequent rounds of quantitative easings that actually doubled its value. But it was not real growth as this growth was primarily based on expectations and anticipation of future devaluation of the US dollar due to monetary policies of the Fed back in the day. But when the dollar devaluation didn't occur, the gold value quickly returned to its baseline levels. In a nutshell, it turned out an overall false expectation, and the only way you could earn money was through speculation, which meant selling gold at 2011 highs. Those who invested in gold for long term didn't get much (if we include dollar inflation into consideration).

Anyway you look at it, 2008 resulted in a de facto devaluation of the dollar against gold.

Yes, but then you have to explain the revaluation of the dollar against gold soon thereafter. I don't deny that the dollar was losing to gold in 2009-2011, but it was based on the expectations of the likely (or not so likely) collapse of the dollar system in the coming years rather than on reality. For example, there was no price hyperinflation or anything close to what can be loosely called that. When these expectations didn't come true, the speculative rise of gold mostly retrieved back to the baseline. In other words, it turned out to be only a temporary devaluation.