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July 17, 2011, 09:56:52 PM
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July 18, 2011, 10:35:05 PM
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Nobody have anything to say on the matter?

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July 19, 2011, 08:49:03 PM
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I made a new address for donating to webhosting: 14zWdasvZxtbBwD7jeo56EJ46NyWZRbkDS
All donations that go to that address will go directly into the fund i will use to pay for webhosting.
I also updated the tile
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July 23, 2011, 12:11:52 AM
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*not doing what was in this post this anymore*

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July 23, 2011, 04:59:30 PM
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What, nobody have any comments on the earth basking in the light of the bit-sun?

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August 07, 2011, 08:30:05 PM
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Sorry for having to churn up this old thread, but I haven't had much spare time lately.
Ive got a couple concept drawings, and and idea for something to go along with the hardware/software to make POS bitcoin transfers even easier. Im scanning in the concepts now.

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August 08, 2011, 09:53:14 PM
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Alright, here are my concepts for the device and a part of the gui (I like fold-out style menus).

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August 08, 2011, 10:04:35 PM
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*not doing this anymore*
What does this mean?  You're done with the project?  Obviously not, or you wouldn't still be posting here...

Concept looks like a gameboy.  Tongue  And don't you need a full alphanumeric keyboard for typing out bitcoin addresses?  Going with just a number pad is a terrible idea - trying to accurately type in a full bitcoin address by pressing each key a certain number of times in a row to get the letter/number you want in the right capitalization you want sounds like a recipe for frustration and disaster.
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August 08, 2011, 10:13:09 PM
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Fixed that.
Also, there concepts. Not the final word. I would also think that just a numpad would be bad. I might see about getting a base58 keypad made or other. I was thinking we could put a camera in the back that was perma-focused at about 5 inches for scanning qr-codes (maybe even upload images for some sort of OCR? Probably not, but its an idea. I actually based the design off a blockified blackberry, reduced to a numpad and with a d-pad instead of a trackpad. I've personally seen some people type pretty fast and accurate with a numpad though, i've even seen computer keyboards that were just a numpad.

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August 08, 2011, 10:39:00 PM
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Fixed that.
Also, there concepts. Not the final word. I would also think that just a numpad would be bad. I might see about getting a base58 keypad made or other. I was thinking we could put a camera in the back that was perma-focused at about 5 inches for scanning qr-codes (maybe even upload images for some sort of OCR? Probably not, but its an idea. I actually based the design off a blockified blackberry, reduced to a numpad and with a d-pad instead of a trackpad. I've personally seen some people type pretty fast and accurate with a numpad though, i've even seen computer keyboards that were just a numpad.
Don't have a custom base58 keyboard made.  Non-standard components will just make it more expensive.  Find an existing qwerty keyboard in the size you want, and figure out how to integrate it into the device.

A camera is an excellent idea, and I would say it's almost necessary.  Can you imagine waiting in line at a retailer while you wait for the person in front of you to painstakingly input all 34 characters of a bitcoin address, only for the checksum to not match and they have to do it all over again?  I would become rather agitated.  I wouldn't set the focus at a permanent 5" though.  Some QR codes will be much bigger than could be scanned from just 5" away (example: Meze Grill).  The camera would need to have an autofocus mechanism.

I would not buy or be interested in a device with just a numpad for input.  I absolutely abhor phones that are that way, even though I became pretty quick at entering in that method myself.  It's just plain obnoxious to type on one - enough to the point where I won't even consider purchasing a device that only has that method of data entry.
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August 08, 2011, 11:18:22 PM
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Fixed that.
Also, there concepts. Not the final word. I would also think that just a numpad would be bad. I might see about getting a base58 keypad made or other. I was thinking we could put a camera in the back that was perma-focused at about 5 inches for scanning qr-codes (maybe even upload images for some sort of OCR? Probably not, but its an idea. I actually based the design off a blockified blackberry, reduced to a numpad and with a d-pad instead of a trackpad. I've personally seen some people type pretty fast and accurate with a numpad though, i've even seen computer keyboards that were just a numpad.
Don't have a custom base58 keyboard made.  Non-standard components will just make it more expensive.  Find an existing qwerty keyboard in the size you want, and figure out how to integrate it into the device.

A camera is an excellent idea, and I would say it's almost necessary.  Can you imagine waiting in line at a retailer while you wait for the person in front of you to painstakingly input all 34 characters of a bitcoin address, only for the checksum to not match and they have to do it all over again?  I would become rather agitated.  I wouldn't set the focus at a permanent 5" though.  Some QR codes will be much bigger than could be scanned from just 5" away (example: Meze Grill).  The camera would need to have an autofocus mechanism.

I would not buy or be interested in a device with just a numpad for input.  I absolutely abhor phones that are that way, even though I became pretty quick at entering in that method myself.  It's just plain obnoxious to type on one - enough to the point where I won't even consider purchasing a device that only has that method of data entry.
You try to find a decent qwerty keypad that wouldn't cost more then a few cents less then a custom of the same size. (when ordering in bulk). Now that i actually put thought into it, a qwerty keypad would be best. Im not 100% sure we can find a cheap camera that would work in a device that has autofoucs. Maybe a good old manual focus ring?

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August 08, 2011, 11:46:21 PM
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Fixed that.
Also, there concepts. Not the final word. I would also think that just a numpad would be bad. I might see about getting a base58 keypad made or other. I was thinking we could put a camera in the back that was perma-focused at about 5 inches for scanning qr-codes (maybe even upload images for some sort of OCR? Probably not, but its an idea. I actually based the design off a blockified blackberry, reduced to a numpad and with a d-pad instead of a trackpad. I've personally seen some people type pretty fast and accurate with a numpad though, i've even seen computer keyboards that were just a numpad.
Don't have a custom base58 keyboard made.  Non-standard components will just make it more expensive.  Find an existing qwerty keyboard in the size you want, and figure out how to integrate it into the device.

A camera is an excellent idea, and I would say it's almost necessary.  Can you imagine waiting in line at a retailer while you wait for the person in front of you to painstakingly input all 34 characters of a bitcoin address, only for the checksum to not match and they have to do it all over again?  I would become rather agitated.  I wouldn't set the focus at a permanent 5" though.  Some QR codes will be much bigger than could be scanned from just 5" away (example: Meze Grill).  The camera would need to have an autofocus mechanism.

I would not buy or be interested in a device with just a numpad for input.  I absolutely abhor phones that are that way, even though I became pretty quick at entering in that method myself.  It's just plain obnoxious to type on one - enough to the point where I won't even consider purchasing a device that only has that method of data entry.
You try to find a decent qwerty keypad that wouldn't cost more then a few cents less then a custom of the same size. (when ordering in bulk). Now that i actually put thought into it, a qwerty keypad would be best. Im not 100% sure we can find a cheap camera that would work in a device that has autofoucs. Maybe a good old manual focus ring?
Eh, I'm no good at finding the parts.  Good luck with the hunt though.  Tongue  Manual focus wouldn't hurt for a first run of a product.  I understand the need to find things cheaply.
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August 08, 2011, 11:59:42 PM
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You should really consider why you would need a full keyboard, in what scenarios are people going to need to type in rediculous bitcoin addresses?

And why not make those very few people use a small usb keyboard instead of increasing the cost of hundreds of units?
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August 09, 2011, 12:36:53 AM
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You should really consider why you would need a full keyboard, in what scenarios are people going to need to type in rediculous bitcoin addresses?

And why not make those very few people use a small usb keyboard instead of increasing the cost of hundreds of units?
Solution: MAKE IT AN OPTION.
As conflicting opinions have been shown, i think ill just make the entry method optional.

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August 09, 2011, 01:48:18 AM
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You should really consider why you would need a full keyboard, in what scenarios are people going to need to type in rediculous bitcoin addresses?

And why not make those very few people use a small usb keyboard instead of increasing the cost of hundreds of units?
In what scenarios would you NOT need to type in an address?  QR codes are the only one I can think of, and not everyone is going to have one of those handy...
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August 09, 2011, 01:57:05 AM
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I've only skimmed the thread , so I appologise if this has no use or was mentioned earlier

Could the technology in development on this website be adapted somehow ?? The raspberry pi , a miniature computer that runs Linux

 http://www.raspberrypi.org/?page_id=11
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August 09, 2011, 04:27:03 AM
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 Huh

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Haha, sweet art there Mjb.
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August 09, 2011, 11:42:28 AM
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And don't you need a full alphanumeric keyboard for typing out bitcoin addresses?

IMHO, people would (should?) not type in bitcoin addresses. They would either load them from a camera or from bluetooth. The device would be better, simpler and cheaper with only a number pad and a few more buttons for navigation and control.
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Another thing I'd like to strongly suggest: the device should come with an embedded Tor proxy. This is getting particularly more important now that some folks are considering writing software to link IPs to bitcoin transactions.

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