We Need Roulette

[Fiyasko]

We quite simply put, We need the gambling game Roulette. It's a great game!

I've seen mudders about how there is a bitcoin roulette, but i've seen nothing more than that One screen shot.
Cant find a game
Main site for it's down


So Somebody who knows how. Make a roulette table. That would be so sweet. you could rake in so much money with commssion fees

[1714172831]

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[SgtSpike]

Would be extraordinarily easy to program too.  Aside from making the graphics all fancy.

[Fiyasko]

Would be extraordinarily easy to program too.  Aside from making the graphics all fancy.

Well the graphics shant be too hard. I wouldnt complain if thier was no shading and it was drawn is mspaint. Just makesure it's Clean.

[SgtSpike]

I mean, really all a roulette table is, in code, is a random number generator with a bunch of checks on the number to see which betting positions the end result potentially matches.  IIRC, the default odds are in favor of the house at about 52%, which is close enough that any decent roulette operation would need to have a good-sized backing of money, to account for variance.

If someone wants to put up the funds for the variance, I'll code it.  Eventually, anyway.  Have a fairly large project in the pipe already, but after that's done, I'll do it if no one else has.

EDIT:  I take that back - I believe it would be illegal for me to start up a gambling website in the US.  Someone correct me if I am wrong.

[GamblingPurveyor]

I would say you're absolutely right. However, some people believe that the government won't count Bitcoin gambling as really being gambling. Hence, you have Dragon's Tale, which is hosted in Pennsylvania, and Bitcoin Gamer, which is run by a company chartered in Kentucky (and includes a simple Roulette game). If they're wrong, they won't find out until the government decides to crack down on gambling, and then you'll see scrambling.

Hosting legally in Europe or the UK requires a license so expensive that the back-up money for the game would be the least of your concerns. You'd still get arrested by US authorities, however, even if your site is abroad.

These legal concerns are why I host on TOR.

By far the hardest part of making a Roulette game would be making a wheel that doesn't look like shit. (Bitcoin Gamer's Roulette wheel looks like garbage).  By far the easiest way to get acceptable graphics for Roulette would be to write an OpenGL-based downloadable client-- but people should be afraid to download something like that, because you could bundle a wallet stealer with that.

You could of course buy a system such as Real Time Gaming. That is what most of the established casinos do.

[DaMan]

Work in progress ...

[Fiyasko]

Work in progress ...

Oh? your building a roulette table?

[Fiyasko]

One of the Most Important features of roulette is the ability to bet in multiple places, The game is based upon this element, BitcoinGamers CrapTACULAR roulette game only allows you to place One bet at a time

[x0Jakeyboy0x]

One of the Most Important features of roulette is the ability to bet in multiple places, The game is based upon this element, BitcoinGamers CrapTACULAR roulette game only allows you to place One bet at a time

Which reduces your chances of winning tremendously. I concur.

[CNMOH]

One of the Most Important features of roulette is the ability to bet in multiple places, The game is based upon this element, BitcoinGamers CrapTACULAR roulette game only allows you to place One bet at a time

Which reduces your chances of winning tremendously. I concur.

How do you figure? I'm pretty sure your odds are the same regardless of how many bets you can place at a time.

[Fiyasko]

One of the Most Important features of roulette is the ability to bet in multiple places, The game is based upon this element, BitcoinGamers CrapTACULAR roulette game only allows you to place One bet at a time

Which reduces your chances of winning tremendously. I concur.

How do you figure? I'm pretty sure your odds are the same regardless of how many bets you can place at a time.

Im going to assume you've never played Roulette in a Casino before have you?
Placing multiple bets is the only way to seemingly beat the house.
With nothing but singular bets, the house will theoretically always win.

Say i bet on the 1st collum
Thats 33% win 64%loose with 33%=300%
If i bet on 1st collum and 1st-12
Then it becomes around 44% to win 300% 56%loose With a chance to win 600% of my bet because i can win money from both bets from One spin

Roulette is based upon the ability to bet multiple times. Because say i loose on that double bet, I lost Twice my regular bet. But if i hit that 600% then i make back all the money and then double the bet (200% to pay for the bet 400%profit)\

[MrMoon]

This would be really cool to implement but the person who did it would be required to have a pretty large bank.

[bitbetter]

This would be really cool to implement but the person who did it would be required to have a pretty large bank.

The way I've worked the poker games at my site could also be run for a roulette game as well. If you guys have any links to any type of open-source roulette software we can implement it. Might take a day or two, but I bet you someone will have it up soon.

The only roulette games I've seen have been those lame ass text versions. I'll post back on this thread if we're able to make any headway.

[Fiyasko]

This would be really cool to implement but the person who did it would be required to have a pretty large bank.

"really cool to implement?"

Again. The casino game Roulette is practically desinged around the ability to bet multiple times. All Casino roulette systems do this. It is Standard

[CNMOH]

Im going to assume you've never played Roulette in a Casino before have you?
Placing multiple bets is the only way to seemingly beat the house.
With nothing but singular bets, the house will theoretically always win.

Say i bet on the 1st collum
Thats 33% win 64%loose with 33%=300%
If i bet on 1st collum and 1st-12
Then it becomes around 44% to win 300% 56%loose With a chance to win 600% of my bet because i can win money from both bets from One spin

Roulette is based upon the ability to bet multiple times. Because say i loose on that double bet, I lost Twice my regular bet. But if i hit that 600% then i make back all the money and then double the bet (200% to pay for the bet 400%profit)\

I've played roulette on online casinos plenty of times, but never in a real casino.

Your logic makes no sense, as the house edge remains the same regardless of how many bets you place. I understand how you're thinking, but in the end, return remains the same. Your chance of getting that 600% win is no better than getting the 300% win two times. In the long run, the odds remain the same. The only thing that changes with multiple bets is variance, return and house edge ultimately remains the same.

[SgtSpike]

Im going to assume you've never played Roulette in a Casino before have you?
Placing multiple bets is the only way to seemingly beat the house.
With nothing but singular bets, the house will theoretically always win.

Say i bet on the 1st collum
Thats 33% win 64%loose with 33%=300%
If i bet on 1st collum and 1st-12
Then it becomes around 44% to win 300% 56%loose With a chance to win 600% of my bet because i can win money from both bets from One spin

Roulette is based upon the ability to bet multiple times. Because say i loose on that double bet, I lost Twice my regular bet. But if i hit that 600% then i make back all the money and then double the bet (200% to pay for the bet 400%profit)\

I've played roulette on online casinos plenty of times, but never in a real casino.

Your logic makes no sense, as the house edge remains the same regardless of how many bets you place. I understand how you're thinking, but in the end, return remains the same. Your chance of getting that 600% win is no better than getting the 300% win two times. In the long run, the odds remain the same. The only thing that changes with multiple bets is variance, return and house edge ultimately remains the same.

^ This.

[bitbetter]

Im going to assume you've never played Roulette in a Casino before have you?
Placing multiple bets is the only way to seemingly beat the house.
With nothing but singular bets, the house will theoretically always win.

Say i bet on the 1st collum
Thats 33% win 64%loose with 33%=300%
If i bet on 1st collum and 1st-12
Then it becomes around 44% to win 300% 56%loose With a chance to win 600% of my bet because i can win money from both bets from One spin

Roulette is based upon the ability to bet multiple times. Because say i loose on that double bet, I lost Twice my regular bet. But if i hit that 600% then i make back all the money and then double the bet (200% to pay for the bet 400%profit)\

I've played roulette on online casinos plenty of times, but never in a real casino.

Your logic makes no sense, as the house edge remains the same regardless of how many bets you place. I understand how you're thinking, but in the end, return remains the same. Your chance of getting that 600% win is no better than getting the 300% win two times. In the long run, the odds remain the same. The only thing that changes with multiple bets is variance, return and house edge ultimately remains the same.

This is why roulette is such a profitable game. You can speculate on the odds, but you never really know what they are...except not in your favor.

[SgtSpike]

Im going to assume you've never played Roulette in a Casino before have you?
Placing multiple bets is the only way to seemingly beat the house.
With nothing but singular bets, the house will theoretically always win.

Say i bet on the 1st collum
Thats 33% win 64%loose with 33%=300%
If i bet on 1st collum and 1st-12
Then it becomes around 44% to win 300% 56%loose With a chance to win 600% of my bet because i can win money from both bets from One spin

Roulette is based upon the ability to bet multiple times. Because say i loose on that double bet, I lost Twice my regular bet. But if i hit that 600% then i make back all the money and then double the bet (200% to pay for the bet 400%profit)\

I've played roulette on online casinos plenty of times, but never in a real casino.

Your logic makes no sense, as the house edge remains the same regardless of how many bets you place. I understand how you're thinking, but in the end, return remains the same. Your chance of getting that 600% win is no better than getting the 300% win two times. In the long run, the odds remain the same. The only thing that changes with multiple bets is variance, return and house edge ultimately remains the same.

This is why roulette is such a profitable game. You can speculate on the odds, but you never really know what they are...except not in your favor.

You know exactly what the odds are.

The bet you can make with the highest chance of winning is on a black or red column.  There are 36 numbers along with 0 and sometimes 00.  So you have a 48.64% chance of hitting the colored column you bet on with a single 0 wheel, but the payout is only double your bet.  The extra 2.72% is the house's cut, on average.

Likewise, if you bet on a single number, you have a 2.70% chance of hitting that number.  But the payout is only 36 times your bet amount, or 97.29% on average.  The extra 2.72% is the house's cut, on average.

If the house uses a double green wheel, then you double the house's cut.

[CNMOH]

http://wizardofodds.com/roulette

[bitbetter]

Im going to assume you've never played Roulette in a Casino before have you?
Placing multiple bets is the only way to seemingly beat the house.
With nothing but singular bets, the house will theoretically always win.

Say i bet on the 1st collum
Thats 33% win 64%loose with 33%=300%
If i bet on 1st collum and 1st-12
Then it becomes around 44% to win 300% 56%loose With a chance to win 600% of my bet because i can win money from both bets from One spin

Roulette is based upon the ability to bet multiple times. Because say i loose on that double bet, I lost Twice my regular bet. But if i hit that 600% then i make back all the money and then double the bet (200% to pay for the bet 400%profit)\

I've played roulette on online casinos plenty of times, but never in a real casino.

Your logic makes no sense, as the house edge remains the same regardless of how many bets you place. I understand how you're thinking, but in the end, return remains the same. Your chance of getting that 600% win is no better than getting the 300% win two times. In the long run, the odds remain the same. The only thing that changes with multiple bets is variance, return and house edge ultimately remains the same.

This is why roulette is such a profitable game. You can speculate on the odds, but you never really know what they are...except not in your favor.

You know exactly what the odds are.

The bet you can make with the highest chance of winning is on a black or red column.  There are 36 numbers along with 0 and sometimes 00.  So you have a 48.64% chance of hitting the colored column you bet on with a single 0 wheel, but the payout is only double your bet.  The extra 2.72% is the house's cut, on average.

Likewise, if you bet on a single number, you have a 2.70% chance of hitting that number.  But the payout is only 36 times your bet amount, or 97.29% on average.  The extra 2.72% is the house's cut, on average.

If the house uses a double green wheel, then you double the house's cut.

Indeed--I guess my comment was meant in a broader perspective. The game itself is designed to manipulate these percentages, like the 2.72 cut from the house or a double green. You can know the odds and play the odds and still lose.

[SgtSpike]

Im going to assume you've never played Roulette in a Casino before have you?
Placing multiple bets is the only way to seemingly beat the house.
With nothing but singular bets, the house will theoretically always win.

Say i bet on the 1st collum
Thats 33% win 64%loose with 33%=300%
If i bet on 1st collum and 1st-12
Then it becomes around 44% to win 300% 56%loose With a chance to win 600% of my bet because i can win money from both bets from One spin

Roulette is based upon the ability to bet multiple times. Because say i loose on that double bet, I lost Twice my regular bet. But if i hit that 600% then i make back all the money and then double the bet (200% to pay for the bet 400%profit)\

I've played roulette on online casinos plenty of times, but never in a real casino.

Your logic makes no sense, as the house edge remains the same regardless of how many bets you place. I understand how you're thinking, but in the end, return remains the same. Your chance of getting that 600% win is no better than getting the 300% win two times. In the long run, the odds remain the same. The only thing that changes with multiple bets is variance, return and house edge ultimately remains the same.

This is why roulette is such a profitable game. You can speculate on the odds, but you never really know what they are...except not in your favor.

You know exactly what the odds are.

The bet you can make with the highest chance of winning is on a black or red column.  There are 36 numbers along with 0 and sometimes 00.  So you have a 48.64% chance of hitting the colored column you bet on with a single 0 wheel, but the payout is only double your bet.  The extra 2.72% is the house's cut, on average.

Likewise, if you bet on a single number, you have a 2.70% chance of hitting that number.  But the payout is only 36 times your bet amount, or 97.29% on average.  The extra 2.72% is the house's cut, on average.

If the house uses a double green wheel, then you double the house's cut.

Indeed--I guess my comment was meant in a broader perspective. The game itself is designed to manipulate these percentages, like the 2.72 cut from the house or a double green. You can know the odds and play the odds and still lose.

I still don't get what you're trying to say... of course you'll lose - the odds are always against you!

[Alex Beckenham]

here's a poem:

abc, xyz
123, watching thread

or the americanised version:

abc, xyz
watching thread, 123

[Noitev]

what are you talking about? http://www.bitcoingamer.com?donateto=1MbV7wq4Dhi2iSGQxgTKkVKtH5AbEET6Xe has had one for months

[Fiyasko]

what are you talking about? http://www.bitcoingamer.com?donateto=1MbV7wq4Dhi2iSGQxgTKkVKtH5AbEET6Xe has had one for months

Holy fucking shit man, read the thread before you post.

On another note:
Sooooo we all can agree that Roulette can make the creator (house) money.
Where is the good roulette game!!!

[DaMan]

Work in progress ...

Oh? your building a roulette table?

Yes, we talked about Roulette in the German Area before. Right now you can bring some coins to the Table and Bet on As many Fields As you like at the Same Time. You have different Chips starting at 0.1 bitcoin. The Maximum Single Chip at the Moment is 1 btc. But that would Be only Limited by the Bank Balance. I'll keep you informed, and maybe you will like it.

Sorry for that iPhone spelling correction ;-)

Regards!

[Fiyasko]

linkme?

[DaMan]

I need some more time to create a presentable version.

[Noitev]

what are you talking about? http://www.bitcoingamer.com?donateto=1MbV7wq4Dhi2iSGQxgTKkVKtH5AbEET6Xe has had one for months

oh, multiple bets. sorry, sheesh. I remember cash cow had one, but it seems dead and gone. The closest thing I know is Dragon's Tale

[bitbetter]

what are you talking about? http://www.bitcoingamer.com?donateto=1MbV7wq4Dhi2iSGQxgTKkVKtH5AbEET6Xe has had one for months

oh, multiple bets. sorry, sheesh. I remember cash cow had one, but it seems dead and gone. The closest thing I know is Dragon's Tale

I hate to say it but Dragon's Tale is kinda fun, if you have some BTC to blow. I definitely don't think you can win much, but the IDEA is what makes it quite awesome.

[MtRev]

Wouldn't it be easy for the game op to rig the table to have a extremely low winning ratio for a game like this? =/

[bitbetter]

Wouldn't it be easy for the game op to rig the table to have a extremely low winning ratio for a game like this? =/

Indeed. This means whoever creates it has a very good chance of making a significant amount of BTC. The players, not so much.

[Alex Beckenham]

Wouldn't it be easy for the game op to rig the table to have a extremely low winning ratio for a game like this? =/

Indeed. This means whoever creates it has a very good chance of making a significant amount of BTC. The players, not so much.

Not really. You'd just need to show an MD5 hash of the game outcome, before the bets are placed. Spoils the fun a bit of 'spinning' the wheel, but it's all digital anyway; no reason the random number can't be chosen in advance.

[bitbetter]

Wouldn't it be easy for the game op to rig the table to have a extremely low winning ratio for a game like this? =/

Indeed. This means whoever creates it has a very good chance of making a significant amount of BTC. The players, not so much.

Not really. You'd just need to show an MD5 hash of the game outcome, before the bets are placed. Spoils the fun a bit of 'spinning' the wheel, but it's all digital anyway; no reason the random number can't be chosen in advance.

hmm pardon my ignorance but how would this effect the control an op has over the win/lose ratio?

[Alex Beckenham]

Wouldn't it be easy for the game op to rig the table to have a extremely low winning ratio for a game like this? =/

Indeed. This means whoever creates it has a very good chance of making a significant amount of BTC. The players, not so much.

Not really. You'd just need to show an MD5 hash of the game outcome, before the bets are placed. Spoils the fun a bit of 'spinning' the wheel, but it's all digital anyway; no reason the random number can't be chosen in advance.

hmm pardon my ignorance but how would this effect the control an op has over the win/lose ratio?

Because if the random number is chosen *before* bets are placed, and an MD5 hash of that number displayed, then the operator doesn't know what bets will be placed and whether or not the player is going to win or not.

1. System generates random number, 1-38 (or 37).
2. Page displays some kind of hash, based on this number.
3. Player places bets and submits
4. System checks what they have won and shows the player exactly how the MD5 hash was generated so that the player can verify the number was chosen before bets were placed.

[bitbetter]

Wouldn't it be easy for the game op to rig the table to have a extremely low winning ratio for a game like this? =/

Indeed. This means whoever creates it has a very good chance of making a significant amount of BTC. The players, not so much.

Not really. You'd just need to show an MD5 hash of the game outcome, before the bets are placed. Spoils the fun a bit of 'spinning' the wheel, but it's all digital anyway; no reason the random number can't be chosen in advance.

hmm pardon my ignorance but how would this effect the control an op has over the win/lose ratio?

Because if the random number is chosen *before* bets are placed, and an MD5 hash of that number displayed, then the operator doesn't know what bets will be placed and whether or not the player is going to win or not.

1. System generates random number, 1-38 (or 37).
2. Page displays some kind of hash, based on this number.
3. Player places bets and submits
4. System checks what they have won and shows the player exactly how the MD5 hash was generated so that the player can verify the number was chosen before bets were placed.

But if the op puts only 20 numbers in the random generation, he has decreased the win ratio and yet it still appears as if it's a random hash based on 38 numbers. I suppose there would need to be some way to display previous rolls...but even then...it seems so easy to put the odds in the op's favor.

[Alex Beckenham]

Wouldn't it be easy for the game op to rig the table to have a extremely low winning ratio for a game like this? =/

Indeed. This means whoever creates it has a very good chance of making a significant amount of BTC. The players, not so much.

Not really. You'd just need to show an MD5 hash of the game outcome, before the bets are placed. Spoils the fun a bit of 'spinning' the wheel, but it's all digital anyway; no reason the random number can't be chosen in advance.

hmm pardon my ignorance but how would this effect the control an op has over the win/lose ratio?

Because if the random number is chosen *before* bets are placed, and an MD5 hash of that number displayed, then the operator doesn't know what bets will be placed and whether or not the player is going to win or not.

1. System generates random number, 1-38 (or 37).
2. Page displays some kind of hash, based on this number.
3. Player places bets and submits
4. System checks what they have won and shows the player exactly how the MD5 hash was generated so that the player can verify the number was chosen before bets were placed.

But if the op puts only 20 numbers in the random generation, he has decreased the win ratio and yet it still appears as if it's a random hash based on 38 numbers. I suppose there would need to be some way to display previous rolls...but even then...it seems so easy to put the odds in the op's favor.

You could make it so that your data string contains all numbers, and the winning number is the first one... so you scramble the 38 numbers and hash the following string:

9,8,2,1,5,4,12,3,15... etc, etc etc (all 38 numbers)

The winning number is 9... after the game, you can show the player the md5 and also show them the data string which has 9 coming first.

You could still fake it so that 17 for example never came first, but over time I'm sure people would start to notice that 17 never wins.

[bitbetter]

Wouldn't it be easy for the game op to rig the table to have a extremely low winning ratio for a game like this? =/

Indeed. This means whoever creates it has a very good chance of making a significant amount of BTC. The players, not so much.

Not really. You'd just need to show an MD5 hash of the game outcome, before the bets are placed. Spoils the fun a bit of 'spinning' the wheel, but it's all digital anyway; no reason the random number can't be chosen in advance.

hmm pardon my ignorance but how would this effect the control an op has over the win/lose ratio?

Because if the random number is chosen *before* bets are placed, and an MD5 hash of that number displayed, then the operator doesn't know what bets will be placed and whether or not the player is going to win or not.

1. System generates random number, 1-38 (or 37).
2. Page displays some kind of hash, based on this number.
3. Player places bets and submits
4. System checks what they have won and shows the player exactly how the MD5 hash was generated so that the player can verify the number was chosen before bets were placed.

But if the op puts only 20 numbers in the random generation, he has decreased the win ratio and yet it still appears as if it's a random hash based on 38 numbers. I suppose there would need to be some way to display previous rolls...but even then...it seems so easy to put the odds in the op's favor.

You could make it so that your data string contains all numbers, and the winning number is the first one... so you scramble the 38 numbers and hash the following string:

9,8,2,1,5,4,12,3,15... etc, etc etc (all 38 numbers)

The winning number is 9... after the game, you can show the player the md5 and also show them the data string which has 9 coming first.

You could still fake it so that 17 for example never came first, but over time I'm sure people would start to notice that 17 never wins.

I was thinking that too. The more you played it the more you'd be able to find out which 20 numbers or whatever were the ones in play. In that case, you could actually screw over the op pretty easily. Good times.

[Alex Beckenham]

I was thinking that too. The more you played it the more you'd be able to find out which 20 numbers or whatever were the ones in play. In that case, you could actually screw over the op pretty easily. Good times.

The only way I can think of to prove all 38 are included would be to present the player with 38 buttons, each with a hash of a string which included the number, then have the player choose one of the 38 buttons, and that would be the winning number for the roulette bets.

Sounds complicated, but I'm not sure if there's simpler way for absolute proof.

[bitbetter]

I was thinking that too. The more you played it the more you'd be able to find out which 20 numbers or whatever were the ones in play. In that case, you could actually screw over the op pretty easily. Good times.

The only way I can think of to prove all 38 are included would be to present the player with 38 buttons, each with a hash of a string which included the number, then have the player choose one of the 38 buttons, and that would be the winning number for the roulette bets.

Sounds complicated, but I'm not sure if there's simpler way for absolute proof.

perhaps you could use the principle of inverse to solve this problem. 38 numbers, you choose 1. Instead of the computer actually playing the number(s) selected, it would play every number BUT that one. That way, if it actually lands on the spot where nothing is placed, it knows to pay out the user.

Wait...I'm not sure that made sense at all. hah

[Alex Beckenham]

I was thinking that too. The more you played it the more you'd be able to find out which 20 numbers or whatever were the ones in play. In that case, you could actually screw over the op pretty easily. Good times.

The only way I can think of to prove all 38 are included would be to present the player with 38 buttons, each with a hash of a string which included the number, then have the player choose one of the 38 buttons, and that would be the winning number for the roulette bets.

Sounds complicated, but I'm not sure if there's simpler way for absolute proof.

perhaps you could use the principle of inverse to solve this problem. 38 numbers, you choose 1. Instead of the computer actually playing the number(s) selected, it would play every number BUT that one. That way, if it actually lands on the spot where nothing is placed, it knows to pay out the user.

Wait...I'm not sure that made sense at all. hah

I didn't quite understand, no.

Also, when I said 38 buttons, I meant in addition to the roulette betting table, not as a replacement for it.

Too impractical an idea anyway.

[bitbetter]

I was thinking that too. The more you played it the more you'd be able to find out which 20 numbers or whatever were the ones in play. In that case, you could actually screw over the op pretty easily. Good times.

The only way I can think of to prove all 38 are included would be to present the player with 38 buttons, each with a hash of a string which included the number, then have the player choose one of the 38 buttons, and that would be the winning number for the roulette bets.

Sounds complicated, but I'm not sure if there's simpler way for absolute proof.

perhaps you could use the principle of inverse to solve this problem. 38 numbers, you choose 1. Instead of the computer actually playing the number(s) selected, it would play every number BUT that one. That way, if it actually lands on the spot where nothing is placed, it knows to pay out the user.

Wait...I'm not sure that made sense at all. hah

I didn't quite understand, no.

Also, when I said 38 buttons, I meant in addition to the roulette betting table, not as a replacement for it.

Too impractical an idea anyway.

Hah agreed. Roulette remains a kinda-rip-off.

[Fiyasko]

Yeah, IMO All the current Roulette games are rigged for the op.

On one of them, I just kept clicking Spin.
But assoon as a hold down the enter key instead of clicking spin I lost 80% of the time

Wheres the fucking Good system Fuck all this bullshit, It's a buncha codeknobs trying to grab a few coins

[DaMan]

Hmmm, so maybe I have to implement the hash function first.

I am ready for a public beta with my roulette game.

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But note:

- all graphics + user interface are just a function test
- if the gameplay works, all graphics have to be done from scratch up and a nice table + wheel will be rendered

- there is no hash function right now. So if you give it a try, be sure you understand that!

- in the public beta version are only smallest value jetons -> 0.01, 0.02, 0.03 and a round limit of 0.1 btc.

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There are no fees. All payouts greater than 1 btc have to be done in two moves, because we cant calculate the correct bitcoin transaction fee for large amounts. So if you click payout, you will receive 99% of your accounts balance, if it is greater than 1 btc. All lower values should use 0.0005 btc transaction fee.

I have to wait for a few network transactions and will do the first »test without testnet« by my own.

If you would like to give it a try, send me a message or check back a little later ...

kind regards!

[bitbetter]

Yeah, IMO All the current Roulette games are rigged for the op.

On one of them, I just kept clicking Spin.
But assoon as a hold down the enter key instead of clicking spin I lost 80% of the time

Wheres the fucking Good system Fuck all this bullshit, It's a buncha codeknobs trying to grab a few coins

You only speak the truth!!

[Trayber]

Thanks DaMan cant wait to try your game out.

[Fiyasko]

Thanks DaMan cant wait to try your game out.

Same here

[DaMan]

Here we go.

http://betcoin.eu/roulette/

If you transfer 0.1 btc it should be enough for a first test.


Please don't use Internet Explorer. It's not tested in that "/&%§$ browser and may not work.


REMEMBER: it's a beta!

(and looks ugly)

[SgtSpike]

What are you talking about ugly?  That's a fantastic roulette table for first draft!

My only comment so far (I haven't even played it, no bitcoins on this computer), is that making the bets going to the left-hand corner is silly.  The lines make sense, why not have the best go in the middle if you aren't betting on a line?  I think having the bets in the corner just confuses what you're betting on.

[Fiyasko]

What are you talking about ugly?  That's a fantastic roulette table for first draft!

My only comment so far (I haven't even played it, no bitcoins on this computer), is that making the bets going to the left-hand corner is silly.  The lines make sense, why not have the best go in the middle if you aren't betting on a line?  I think having the bets in the corner just confuses what you're betting on.

Double Zero appears to be missing from the board
And there is no ability to bet on the lines

[DaMan]

@SgtSpike:

Thank you :-)
Thats true, the final version will have bigger jetons, a 3-d table and the jetons will be placed in the fields center. And my partner is trying to do a nice spinning wheel animation.

@JackRabbit:

It's a european roulette table. Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roulette
Example image: http://www.platinumplay.eu/images/stories/casino-screenshots/FrenchRoulette.jpg
There is no double zero which increases the players chance. What lines you mean? you can bet every row (1-3, 4-5, ...) and every column (1-34, 2-35, 3-36).

The missing playing possibilities are: Les trois premiers (first three), Les quatre premiers (first four), Voisins, Zéro, Series (1-6, 7-12, ...), Les orphelins. If there are some more missing it would be easy to implement it.

Regards!

[Noitev]

@SgtSpike:

Thank you :-)
Thats true, the final version will have bigger jetons, a 3-d table and the jetons will be placed in the fields center. And my partner is trying to do a nice spinning wheel animation.

@JackRabbit:

It's a european roulette table. Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roulette
Example image: http://www.platinumplay.eu/images/stories/casino-screenshots/FrenchRoulette.jpg
There is no double zero which increases the players chance. What lines you mean? you can bet every row (1-3, 4-5, ...) and every column (1-34, 2-35, 3-36).

The missing playing possibilities are: Les trois premiers (first three), Les quatre premiers (first four), Voisins, Zéro, Series (1-6, 7-12, ...), Les orphelins. If there are some more missing it would be easy to implement it.

Regards!

please add triple 0

jk, looks very nice!

[sebdude420]

Good stuff. very interested in playing this,,, ALOT.

[alkhdaniel]

StrikeSapphire has good roulette. Only tried two spins though but won both times (f* yeah, red color ftw!).

Or use this link if you plan to sign up and want to be a bro (referral link, it won't do anything to your account though, will only give me a bonus if you deposit).
Note: US not allowed to sign up

If you feel like playing hold 'em instead of roulette please pm me and i will most likely join you .

[BTCSports]

Just wanted to let everyone know that we offer Roulette (and over 30 other casino games).

You can request an invite for an account at http://btcsportsbetting.com/requestinvite.htm

[Fiyasko]

not too mention i basically killed myself when "french roulette" was created

[ssaCEO]

StrikeSapphire has good roulette. Only tried two spins though but won both times (f* yeah, red color ftw!).

Or use this link if you plan to sign up and want to be a bro (referral link, it won't do anything to your account though, will only give me a bonus if you deposit).
Note: US not allowed to sign up

If you feel like playing hold 'em instead of roulette please pm me and i will most likely join you .

Boosting this!

StrikeSapphire has American Roulette (stats published daily), and the only 4-player roulette tables in the industry where you can see everyone's chips, chat and hang out. We do it to show our transparency. And the graphics aren't too shabby either

And we allow inside bets as low as USD 1¢, outside bets from $0.10 to $5. As many as you want, of course.

[asper]

Hey, I've lost my 0.1 BTC!

I send it to the roulette, but then accidentallly logged out, and now I cannot find my money (maybe my withdrawal address was incorrect?)

Could you, please, return it back to me?

[Fiyasko]

StrikeSapphire has good roulette. Only tried two spins though but won both times (f* yeah, red color ftw!).

Or use this link if you plan to sign up and want to be a bro (referral link, it won't do anything to your account though, will only give me a bonus if you deposit).
Note: US not allowed to sign up

If you feel like playing hold 'em instead of roulette please pm me and i will most likely join you .

Boosting this!

StrikeSapphire has American Roulette (stats published daily), and the only 4-player roulette tables in the industry where you can see everyone's chips, chat and hang out. We do it to show our transparency. And the graphics aren't too shabby either

And we allow inside bets as low as USD 1¢, outside bets from $0.10 to $5. As many as you want, of course.

Sticky this casino bitches this shits the shit

[ssaCEO]

Hey, I've lost my 0.1 BTC!

I send it to the roulette, but then accidentallly logged out, and now I cannot find my money (maybe my withdrawal address was incorrect?)

Could you, please, return it back to me?

Who are you talking to? (we don't have a player named asper).

[asper]

Who are you talking to? (we don't have a player named asper).

Oh, it was http://betcoin.eu/roulette/, I ask DaMan, also i've sent him a PM.

[phungus]

I know there is another Euro Roulette game in the works but it's in beta and the owner doesn't want to offer it up yet. Maybe they will be done with it soon. :-) I've verified that the RNG is legit.

Hopefully we'll have some decent games soon.

[Fiyasko]

Im Very angry at the "shappire casino" While i Love the look and the games.

Under freeplay your roulette table Spun 24blacks 4greens and 4 reds, And the reds ONLY appeard once i bet on them.

Also Because i think this is impossible to be this unlucky, I say on the board covering 66% of it, And TEN spins were all losses ina row, Without ONE win. I call Shenanigans

[phungus]

The betcoin.eu game sucks. It wouldn't let me put more than 6 or so .1 chips on the board at once so I just withdrew.

meh.

It is *definitely* time for a good, HONEST Roulette game.

[mmavipc]

Teach me how to play roulette and I will code it. It will look like shit though.  Previous work: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=32926.0

[ssaCEO]

Im Very angry at the "shappire casino" While i Love the look and the games.

Under freeplay your roulette table Spun 24blacks 4greens and 4 reds, And the reds ONLY appeard once i bet on them.

Also Because i think this is impossible to be this unlucky, I say on the board covering 66% of it, And TEN spins were all losses ina row, Without ONE win. I call Shenanigans

Whoa. That's quite an accusation to throw around. And first of all, it's not true: You only spun for real money six times.

All of our games work exactly the same in Play as in Real money. They run on exactly the same piece of code, and from the same random number generator. The generator is on a separate server and runs continuously with no knowledge of the bets or conditions on the game server.

Looking at your history, I do see why you'd be worried. You seem to have some pretty weird luck. On the play table the spins went: 6 Blacks, 1 green, 6 Blacks, 1 green, 5 blacks, 3 reds, 1 black, 1 green.

When you went to the real table, it's true that you bet two columns on each spin, and lost 6 times in a row. The chances of the same column coming up 6 times in a row are about 1 in 1010.  But you didn't play the same two columns every time. Your spins were 5, 3, 4, 12, 23 and 16. After the fourth spin, you switched columns and remained unlucky. All those numbers fall within normal ranges on that day, except for 16, which came up less often than average.

On the day you played, July 28th, our overall payback for real-money Roulette was actually 100.7%, with $1049.54 in bets placed. As we have it, your total amount bet was $2.70 mostly in $0.25 chips, on six real spins.

Come back and watch players on the roulette tables, and join a multiplayer table if you want the assurance. You'll see clearly that we don't, and couldn't, rig that game. It's unfair to throw out accusations based on a very, very limited slice of what happens on one roulette wheel over a handful of spins. I'm sorry you had a run of bad luck and that it appeared strange, but it's bound to happen to someone, sometime. There are no shenanigans at StrikeSapphire. And you don't have to take my word for it. It's impossible for a multiplayer roulette table to cheat, and all our spins are published daily right here:

https://strikesapphire.com/reports/

[Fiyasko]

Im Very angry at the "shappire casino" While i Love the look and the games.

Under freeplay your roulette table Spun 24blacks 4greens and 4 reds, And the reds ONLY appeard once i bet on them.

Also Because i think this is impossible to be this unlucky, I say on the board covering 66% of it, And TEN spins were all losses ina row, Without ONE win. I call Shenanigans

Whoa. That's quite an accusation to throw around. And first of all, it's not true: You only spun for real money six times.

All of our games work exactly the same in Play as in Real money. They run on exactly the same piece of code, and from the same random number generator. The generator is on a separate server and runs continuously with no knowledge of the bets or conditions on the game server.

Looking at your history, I do see why you'd be worried. You seem to have some pretty weird luck. On the play table the spins went: 6 Blacks, 1 green, 6 Blacks, 1 green, 5 blacks, 3 reds, 1 black, 1 green.

When you went to the real table, it's true that you bet two columns on each spin, and lost 6 times in a row. The chances of the same column coming up 6 times in a row are about 1 in 1010.  But you didn't play the same two columns every time. Your spins were 5, 3, 4, 12, 23 and 16. After the fourth spin, you switched columns and remained unlucky. All those numbers fall within normal ranges on that day, except for 16, which came up less often than average.

On the day you played, July 28th, our overall payback for real-money Roulette was actually 100.7%, with $1049.54 in bets placed. As we have it, your total amount bet was $2.70 mostly in $0.25 chips, on six real spins.

Come back and watch players on the roulette tables, and join a multiplayer table if you want the assurance. You'll see clearly that we don't, and couldn't, rig that game. It's unfair to throw out accusations based on a very, very limited slice of what happens on one roulette wheel over a handful of spins. I'm sorry you had a run of bad luck and that it appeared strange, but it's bound to happen to someone, sometime. There are no shenanigans at StrikeSapphire. And you don't have to take my word for it. It's impossible for a multiplayer roulette table to cheat, and all our spins are published daily right here:

https://strikesapphire.com/reports/

i'll go agian then

[phungus]

Tried the Sapphire game and it seems ok but the UI could use some work. The wheel is a little hokey and less animation, or an option to turn it off completely would make the game better.

It would benefit from a "Saved Bets" feature.

Oh, I also could not figure out how to clear a chip from the table once it's placed. I know in a real casino it would be against the rules, but online sometimes there is an errant click and it would be best to be able to clear it. Maybe by a right-click, if possible?

Looks ok otherwise. Going to try some bitcoins on it later.

[BTCSports]

In a real casino roulette you can change bets until the dealer states "no more bets" and waves off the table.

You should try our roulette.  Prior to pressing Spin you can clear bets, although it does clear the whole board so you have to replace all bets.

After each spin you have 3 choices:

1. Place all new bets
2. Select "Re-Bet" - all of your bets from the previous round will be automatically made and you can add new bets prior to spinning the wheel again
3. "Re-Bet and Spin" - all of your bets from the previous round will be made and the wheel will be spun again

We also have a Fast Play option where the result is instantly displayed without the wheel graphics.

Our Roulette limits are Min Bet .1 BTC to Max Bet 20 BTC.

[ssaCEO]

It would benefit from a "Saved Bets" feature.
Oh, I also could not figure out how to clear a chip from the table once it's placed.

You can drag individual chips off the table, or to other positions on the table after placing them. You can drag one stack onto another to merge them. Drag the chips down and off the table, then release, to remove them individually. To remove all bets, set yourself "Away".

Good note about having both a Repeat and a Repeat & Play button! We've just broken that into two separate buttons in our interface, for Roulette and our other games as well. (reload the site if you're on it for the changes to be visible).

[phungus]

You should try our roulette. 

I think I requested an invite yesterday or the day before but haven't heard anything back so far.

[phungus]

You can drag individual chips off the table, or to other positions on the table after placing them. You can drag one stack onto another to merge them. Drag the chips down and off the table, then release, to remove them individually. To remove all bets, set yourself "Away".

Good note about having both a Repeat and a Repeat & Play button! We've just broken that into two separate buttons in our interface, for Roulette and our other games as well. (reload the site if you're on it for the changes to be visible).

Thanks for the info. I did figure out that Set Away clears the chips.

Sometimes the wheel doesn't spin but the ball goes round and round. Just thought you should know. Maybe it's my bitcoin mining. :-)

Saved Bets would still help me a lot, similar to what's possible at http://www.betvoyager.com/

You place chips on the table, then you can save that bet with a name so that you can quickly recall that, or any other saved bet.

I like to throw a lot of chips around, and the multi-player game goes just a little too fast for me to be able to do that accurately, without putting chips down where I didn't want them to go. A single player game is fine because I can take my time.

Thanks!

[phungus]

Oh, and the double-zero wheel sucks. It will keep me from playing too much. I much prefer the Euro wheel odds.

But that's just me. :-)

I will probably wait for that euro game to come out.

[ssaCEO]

Good points about the software / saved bets / etc. I'm not sure what kind of glitch you're seeing with the wheel graphics, but we'll look into it.

Unfortunately, we can't take US players, and that's why you haven't got the invite. No one's happy about it, but them's the rules.

[phungus]

Hmm, I was referring to the btcsports people on the invite but it seems like it showed up in my box anyway.


SSACEO: The wheel doesn't spin but the ball goes around sometimes. It may be bitcoin mining interfering with the graphics for some reason. Not sure.

[ssaCEO]

Hmm, I was referring to the btcsports people on the invite but it seems like it showed up in my box anyway.


SSACEO: The wheel doesn't spin but the ball goes around sometimes. It may be bitcoin mining interfering with the graphics for some reason. Not sure.

Aha. Yeah, we've never heard of that bug before in Roulette and spent awhile trying to reproduce it, but weren't successful.

The roulette wheel takes advantage of GPU acceleration if you're using Flash v. 10.1 or later. The ball is rendered in CPU space. If your video card was too busy mining to render the wheel video at variable frame speeds, it would probably look just like what you described. We don't have a testing environment where our CPU is empty and our video card is running at 200%, which is probably why we could find it =)

One solution to mine and play our Roulette at the same time would be to downgrade to Flash Player 10.0 (we're no longer compatible with 9.x). The wheel might be a little choppy, but it's not too bad on a Dual Core or better if it isn't sitting with lots of other tables and/or other Flash tabs in the browser.

[Fiyasko]

Euro roulette would be fun to try...

But y'know what i think would Beat all the other online btc roulettes. Is if the Wheel was a 3d Physical object within an engine and then we drop a Physical 3d ball onto the spinning Collidable wheel,

This could A.)Create a nice random
B.)Be watched for what hits more frequently
C.)A realistic ball is more trustable to some than an MD5sum because most people just look for that MD5 string and think it's legit, They dont even inspect it

[ssaCEO]

The only problem is that if the code is client-side, then it's vulnerable to hacking... and if it's server-side, then it's vulnerable to tampering, and it's using a huge amount of GPU or CPU power (and time) to perform a very simple task. Both parties have to trust each other. And if you trust each other -- an MD5 hash uses about 0.000001% the resources as a collision-detecting 3d wheel. Our wheel is truly collision-detecting and runs an algorithm on the ball that decelerates it to land in whatever slot the server tells it to. It detects collisions and tweaks the ball's velocity at every collision to look mostly right. So...anything can be tampered with.

Really, you have to trust the casino, and the casino has to trust you. Otherwise, don't bet with them. It always surprises me when I hear players in the US for example talk about sites they can still play at as if that's a good thing. If you find a site from the US that lets you gamble online, you're basically dealing with people who have no problem committing a Federal offense. Why would you think they'd have a problem cheating you, if there was money riding on it? Their reputation? Sense of honor? Moral principles? Anyway...

[plug] Freerolls are on right now... bitcoins are up for grabs 'til Midnight GMT!!! Get up in the Sapphire [/plug]

[Fiyasko]

Your new signature banner is quite nice, I reccomend Raising the white lettering and subtext underneath it in small font the word casino

[funkenstein]

Sorry to drag up an old thread, but here's a new take on public coin roulette:


block-roulette.bit

or

blockzz.com
block-roulette.com


as described

http://frass.woodcoin.org/block-roulette/

[Adrorecia]

since now everyone wants to gamble with everything they have. now also roulette
with the bit coin is gold not just enough? don't gamble with the bit coins you can better hold them for selling later at a high value.

[BertMan]

Agreed, I want to see bitcoin roulette. But I may also seriously regret it.

[Bit-Exo.com]

Agreed, I want to see bitcoin roulette. But I may also seriously regret it.

Our site offers European Bitcoin Roulette. You can have a look at it and try it for free with the faucet on Bit-Exo.com

[BetKing.io]

We have European roulette at https://betking.io

Large payouts and easy to use on mobile.

Good luck

[NordicRanger]

We quite simply put, We need the gambling game Roulette. It's a great game!

I've seen mudders about how there is a bitcoin roulette, but i've seen nothing more than that One screen shot.
Cant find a game
Main site for it's down


So Somebody who knows how. Make a roulette table. That would be so sweet. you could rake in so much money with commssion fees

Yeah roulette is simply the best and funnest gambling game that there is. It is so simple and easy to understand and you can choose how great you chances are going to be of winning.

[JeanMcCoy]

Would be extraordinarily easy to program too.  Aside from making the graphics all fancy.

If it is such easy then make it you will get a nice profit out of it. Don't you see how much people are gambling with
coins. Just try to make something like a roulette and you'll get very much moneyssss

[CoinRoulette]

Well, you ask for it and we deliver
Just kidding, if roulette is what you are looking for, give CoinRoulette a try. https://coinroulette.is

[maudevang]

I like playing roulette believe it or not this is my most favorite gambling game there is. When I am going to the casinos in real life then most of the time I spend there is at the roulette table because it is so easy and you do not have to do much.